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How does Ozen look this year?

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="923994" timestamp="1291264435"] [quote author=CATMAN link=topic=76937.msg923993#msg923993 date=1291264399] SETX  Teams :D [/quote] Greater Houston area teams. ::) [/quote]Good, I don't want my old school in  SETX class anyway :P

[quote name="ForeverADog" post="924315" timestamp="1291317922"] Kimball 89 LCM.    46.   Final [/quote]LC-M is not that good this year. Wasn't impressed with them at all.

[quote name="stevenash" post="924428" timestamp="1291324144"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76916.msg924416#msg924416 date=1291323468] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=76916.msg924397#msg924397 date=1291322018] [quote author=east texas bb link=topic=76916.msg924351#msg924351 date=1291319963] One question for the Bosha kid and the HF kid for those who have seen them play.  Do they make most of their shots off the dribble?  There are alot of players who can shoot the ball, but only a few who can create their own shot within the offense.  This statement is coming from someone saying the Bosha kid hit 8 3's the other night.  I know alot of  players who have made a living off of kickouts. I dont know if this is happenign or not because I have not seen them play. Did he create the shots or were they kickouts?  If they were kickouts then I would not consider him a star. Secondly, I just wanted everyone to take a step back and look at this from we are judging a freshmen and 8th grade players.  It is a little too early to say what they will do in college and life.  I dont know if anybody remembers Michael Leblanc or Calvin Murphy Junior who were supposed to be stars and the next NBA players when they played for the Hoops.  Murphy ended up at Niagra, a small school in the Northest and Leblance went to Conneticut, could not play and ended back at Houston Baptist.  These are just a couple of examples of young kids who everyone thought were stars and future NBA players that did not come close. I too played against the Houston Hoops, beat the Houston Select and played for them as well.  I got camps paid for and had letters in the mail from major D1 colleges starting my soph and junior year.  This was about 15 years ago.  I improved some from my junior to senior year and still received letters and visits and all that stuff.  I played Division 2 ball, had the opportunity to play at the Division 1 level in the Northeast but did not want to move.  My point in this is I worked my tail off everyday and lived and breathed basketball and received the same "hype" for lack of a better word and ended up playing D2.  Dont stop dreaming and working hard, but realize that paid camps and letters from colleges is a long way from playing at Duke or the NBA.   I also agree 100 percent about Little Dribblers and some coaches who play kids just because of affiliation with someone who has a little power in a small town.  That does happen but you usually will not see it in good programs.  If you do see it in programs they will not be very good. I also agree that you will get college scholarships from playing in AAU and camps, but a State Championships was always the most important to me.  It was not something that was great for the spring, it was my biggest dream. [/quote]RAy allen makes a heck of a living off of kickoffs [/quote]Lets see 1. Ray Allen 2? 3.? Anymore? [/quote]Steve Kerr and REggie Miller Eddie House Mike Miller Fred Hoiberg Mark PRice Craig Hodges Peja Stojakovic  Jeff Hornacek [/quote]Old retired players ::)

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="924412" timestamp="1291323022"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=76948.msg924410#msg924410 date=1291322882] [quote author=utfan06 link=topic=76948.msg924403#msg924403 date=1291322530] Kountze wins 105 64.... [/quote] So HF outscored Kountze in the 4th, 28-12?? [/quote] HF must have put that freshman PG into the game. :D [/quote]He didn't make the trip! :(

[quote name="stevenash" post="924397" timestamp="1291322018"] [quote author=east texas bb link=topic=76916.msg924351#msg924351 date=1291319963] One question for the Bosha kid and the HF kid for those who have seen them play.  Do they make most of their shots off the dribble?  There are alot of players who can shoot the ball, but only a few who can create their own shot within the offense.  This statement is coming from someone saying the Bosha kid hit 8 3's the other night.  I know alot of  players who have made a living off of kickouts. I dont know if this is happenign or not because I have not seen them play. Did he create the shots or were they kickouts?  If they were kickouts then I would not consider him a star. Secondly, I just wanted everyone to take a step back and look at this from we are judging a freshmen and 8th grade players.  It is a little too early to say what they will do in college and life.  I dont know if anybody remembers Michael Leblanc or Calvin Murphy Junior who were supposed to be stars and the next NBA players when they played for the Hoops.  Murphy ended up at Niagra, a small school in the Northest and Leblance went to Conneticut, could not play and ended back at Houston Baptist.  These are just a couple of examples of young kids who everyone thought were stars and future NBA players that did not come close. I too played against the Houston Hoops, beat the Houston Select and played for them as well.  I got camps paid for and had letters in the mail from major D1 colleges starting my soph and junior year.  This was about 15 years ago.  I improved some from my junior to senior year and still received letters and visits and all that stuff.  I played Division 2 ball, had the opportunity to play at the Division 1 level in the Northeast but did not want to move.  My point in this is I worked my tail off everyday and lived and breathed basketball and received the same "hype" for lack of a better word and ended up playing D2.  Dont stop dreaming and working hard, but realize that paid camps and letters from colleges is a long way from playing at Duke or the NBA.   I also agree 100 percent about Little Dribblers and some coaches who play kids just because of affiliation with someone who has a little power in a small town.  That does happen but you usually will not see it in good programs.  If you do see it in programs they will not be very good. I also agree that you will get college scholarships from playing in AAU and camps, but a State Championships was always the most important to me.  It was not something that was great for the spring, it was my biggest dream. [/quote]RAy allen makes a heck of a living off of kickoffs [/quote]Lets see 1. Ray Allen 2? 3.? Anymore?

[quote name="stevenash" post="924397" timestamp="1291322018"] [quote author=east texas bb link=topic=76916.msg924351#msg924351 date=1291319963] One question for the Bosha kid and the HF kid for those who have seen them play.  Do they make most of their shots off the dribble?  There are alot of players who can shoot the ball, but only a few who can create their own shot within the offense.  This statement is coming from someone saying the Bosha kid hit 8 3's the other night.  I know alot of  players who have made a living off of kickouts. I dont know if this is happenign or not because I have not seen them play. Did he create the shots or were they kickouts?  If they were kickouts then I would not consider him a star. Secondly, I just wanted everyone to take a step back and look at this from we are judging a freshmen and 8th grade players.  It is a little too early to say what they will do in college and life.  I dont know if anybody remembers Michael Leblanc or Calvin Murphy Junior who were supposed to be stars and the next NBA players when they played for the Hoops.  Murphy ended up at Niagra, a small school in the Northest and Leblance went to Conneticut, could not play and ended back at Houston Baptist.  These are just a couple of examples of young kids who everyone thought were stars and future NBA players that did not come close. I too played against the Houston Hoops, beat the Houston Select and played for them as well.  I got camps paid for and had letters in the mail from major D1 colleges starting my soph and junior year.  This was about 15 years ago.  I improved some from my junior to senior year and still received letters and visits and all that stuff.  I played Division 2 ball, had the opportunity to play at the Division 1 level in the Northeast but did not want to move.  My point in this is I worked my tail off everyday and lived and breathed basketball and received the same "hype" for lack of a better word and ended up playing D2.  Dont stop dreaming and working hard, but realize that paid camps and letters from colleges is a long way from playing at Duke or the NBA.   I also agree 100 percent about Little Dribblers and some coaches who play kids just because of affiliation with someone who has a little power in a small town.  That does happen but you usually will not see it in good programs.  If you do see it in programs they will not be very good. I also agree that you will get college scholarships from playing in AAU and camps, but a State Championships was always the most important to me.  It was not something that was great for the spring, it was my biggest dream. [/quote]RAy allen makes a heck of a living off of kickoffs [/quote]GREAT POST!!! You do know bball don't you. You said something in there thats key. First, I want my kids to enjoy a successful high school career (girls , the late parties,, ..ooops wrong forum).Yes, my two have been taught to create off the dribble ;). Most kids I know want to play for a large D1 school and we parents are no exception. And there is nothing wrong with having dreams, but of course you have to make them realize you have to have options. Trust me, the paid camps and entitlements don't go to MY HEAD ::) ;D

[quote name="stevenash" post="924236" timestamp="1291311802"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76916.msg924230#msg924230 date=1291311371] All those health classes, officiating classes, coaching theory classes....................hmmmm? You don't know me. [/quote] I dont believe Phil Jackson got his job based upon the classes he took. [/quote]Hmmm, Did you read his book ?"Sacred Hoops: [color=red]Spiritual Lessons [/color] of a Hardwood Warrior"

[quote name="NHS83LU87" post="924239" timestamp="1291312048"] Be careful labeling a young man as the best....I have watched several players over the past 6 years get labeled as the best....by the time they were seniors their egos were so big they were all about themselves and hurt the team. [/quote]You do have to be careful. As long as the student realizes he or she still have room for improvement,  has to put out the trash and clean their room

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="924228" timestamp="1291311194"] Oh no Dove........I will only be using the tickets for other sessions.  The 3A sessions I will be at the scorer's table broadcasting the Hawks as they win their 4th State Title!!!! ;) ;) [/quote]hahahahahahahha! I love it

All those health classes, officiating classes, coaching theory classes....................hmmmm? You don't know me.

[quote name="stevenash" post="924222" timestamp="1291310884"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76916.msg924209#msg924209 date=1291310187] Nash, regarding your last paragragh-That sounds like comments of almost any armchair sideliner who feels this is just another parent who feels their kid should be playing. Note* He is playing. Thats not an issue. [/quote] I believe that, if most of the participants on this board will be as honest as possible, we will discover that the great majority of us are "armchair sideliners" even though we believe we know more than someone else.  If I knew as much as I think I do about basketball, I would be a coach or General Manager somewhere and not on a message board discussing HJ and HF. Very big world out there. [/quote]And what makes you think I wasn't a coach in my lifetime at HISD, hmmm?

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="924028" timestamp="1291270697"] I am looking to buy two tickets to the 2011 Boys State Basketball Tourney.  I need two tickets and I am looking for anything in the lower level. If anyone has two that they would like to sell or knows anyone that has some for sell please let me know.   I am starting a tradition with my 9 year old son of going and spending the three days and watching hoops all weekend and going back each and every year. Thanks!!! [/quote]WHEW! I thought you were trying to say something else. The seasonain't over yet ;D

Bosha is going to hell by the time he is a senior. Will have too much experience to be held down. But HF will have 3-4 ATHLETIC gazelles running the floor. Gonna make it tougher for him and HJ

[quote name="team first" post="924205" timestamp="1291309966"] Dove you dont think Nederland and the rest of the district comes close to Ball and that district???????? Ball beat Ned by 5 last year. Where does your info come from??? Surely not the AAU circuit. Those guys that you see in the summer dont play together this time of the year!!!!!!!! Help me. [/quote]I'm not the only one who said it, dang! Nope, not close at all until you prove otherwise.

[quote name="mfd814" post="924161" timestamp="1291305837"] Heck if you don't support certain schools your a step child....as you know Dove [/quote] :D I know

Nash, regarding your last paragragh-That sounds like comments of almost any armchair sideliner who feels this is just another parent who feels their kid should be playing. Note* He is playing. Thats not an issue.

[quote name="sleepy" post="924118" timestamp="1291301840"] Dove...........on a serious note..........if your son is that talented and is not on varsity I take that as a coach just not wanting to win.............agree? [/quote] Wow good question! First, let me state that my son in my opinion still has a lot to learn about the game and I do see improvement. There are coaches who say they  want talent but really don't know what to do with it. It can  become a problem for them  because you don't want to alienate your players & their parents  who have been loyal to you or been in the program longer.  So you have coaches who try and suppress talent. You can't!  But if a kid truly has talent in whatever sport, the truth comes out anyway during play. People begin to question why isn't this kid getting a "burn" with the big boys. Or why isn't this kid playing more on his team. As far as winning, I have a saying when I see coaches who portray certain little habits  "Theres a coach playing not to win." In fairness to some coaches, they are more about teaching their players in certain critical situations, but in most cases I see they are playing "little johnny" to satisfy a booster club member, daddyball, loyalty to the player, co-worker (teacher,etc.) or some parent whispering in the coach's ear. So, to answer your question, I'm still trying to find the answer myself. ;)

[quote name="sleepy" post="924103" timestamp="1291301004"] Scal + Swag isn't one person.  It is mostly one person but it is quite obvious when someone else is typing the message. [/quote]Gotcha! Scal I know.

[quote name="utfan06" post="924099" timestamp="1291300598"] Dove id like to meet you.. will you be there? [/quote]Won't be at this one. The 9th grade plays at another tourney, I think. People tell me I'm a nice guy to my face, not sure what they say once my back is turned :D

[quote name="hjhawks" post="924025" timestamp="1291267816"] Blue.... where did you want your sons to go instead of HF? [/quote]  :-X  (1) A program that has a tradition of high expectations from the coach and players (2) Competitive schedule.

[quote name="stevenash" post="923618" timestamp="1291230172"] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg923589#msg923589 date=1291227864] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=76916.msg923549#msg923549 date=1291225529] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=76916.msg923547#msg923547 date=1291225433] [quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg923518#msg923518 date=1291223624] I think he's the best Freshman in our area and probaly a top 5 or 10 Freshman in the State. Maybe Bluedove can help me out with this 1  ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Being a huge supporter of HJ hoops I would like to agree with you, but we are only 4 games into the season.  Yes, he has scored in double digits in all 4 games including games against Kountze, Nederland, Central and Anahuac....all quality opponents and three of four being on the road. I think in the long term he will be very solid. [/quote] Was the Bosha kid one of the players who was going to be part of "the 4 year plan"? [/quote]Yes, After Bosha is done, its gonna be awhile before you get another player from across the tracks. Only player thats left will be Trevion Benard and maybe that 6yr old that Davis coached against Monday Night. Its ashame he didn't draft him because of personal reasons ;D ;D ;D I totally understand. He's not in that plan for the future with all the '91 kids being the same age and always on the same team. Guess it'll mess with the chemistry. So we will gladly relocate before i allow him to be shafted ;) [/quote]  "Always on the same team"?  Please do tell.  What players have been on the same team and for how many years? [/quote]Is Scalabrine + Swag. I think I know who Scalabrine is.... :D

[quote name="east texas bb" post="924021" timestamp="1291266848"] No one knows the future and I think it is foolish to predict a 8th grader or freshman player to make the NBA.  I have heard those same stories all my life.  What usually happens is the kid matures early and hits a plattue and stays at the same level from the 8th/freshman to senior year.  I dont want to take anything away from anybody but a dose of reality dosent hurt.  [/quote]True! But you still put a player in situations to improve and challenge them. The problem with many kids is that they stop working or the parents put them in what I refer to now as "little dribbler' ball. No competition but situations where they are top dog on their little block.

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="924013" timestamp="1291265715"] He has scored in double figures in all four of the Hawks game and hit 8 three's against Anahuac last night!!!!  He is not a star yet, but you can see it in him.  He is raw still, but has the tools to be successful.  He is long and lanky!!!  He is 6'2 and can tell he will be a few inches taller just by looking at his frame. [/quote]Good points

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="923990" timestamp="1291264225"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76807.msg923986#msg923986 date=1291263964] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=76807.msg923980#msg923980 date=1291263717] In defense of this tournament bracket layout, 3 teams dropped out of this tourney very late and could not get any replacements. [/quote]3 teams dropped out? Who scared them off, Buna? [/quote] No. It was the possibility of HF's coach moving up the superstar from the freshmen team to varsity for the tourney. Those teams wanted no part of that. ::) [/quote] :o