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[quote name="bullets13000" post="783871" timestamp="1269915145"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=67894.msg783791#msg783791 date=1269904019] [quote author=bullets13000 link=topic=67894.msg783784#msg783784 date=1269903155] it's one thing to tell a basketball team to slow the ball down, or drop out of the press.  this doesn't hurt the kids individually or as a team... to ask a baseball player to intentionally bomb his stats is a different matter.  there are a lot of ways to TRY and keep a baseball score reasonable, but asking a kid to intentionally strike out is too much. [/quote]Half a dozen in one hand and six in the other; YOUR RATIONALE SUCKS!!!!  ::) [/quote] your unwillingness to see the difference in the two situations sucks. [/quote]This isn't biddyball!!  ::)

[quote name="bullets13000" post="783784" timestamp="1269903155"] it's one thing to tell a basketball team to slow the ball down, or drop out of the press.  this doesn't hurt the kids individually or as a team... to ask a baseball player to intentionally bomb his stats is a different matter.  there are a lot of ways to TRY and keep a baseball score reasonable, but asking a kid to intentionally strike out is too much. [/quote]Half a dozen in one hand and six in the other; YOUR RATIONALE SUCKS!!!!  ::)

[quote name="Puma" post="783744" timestamp="1269897858"] In my opinion it it premature to compare this to the Coach Wise fiasco.  This is the only time I have heard of Friendswood beating a team so badly and it seems to be an isolated incident but Coach Wise regularly demoralized his opponenets.  As I eluded too earlier I do not know if Friendswood tried to do things to manage the score however it is clear Coach Wise did not.  Additionally, the Friendswood coach is not getting national attention for being unsportsmanlike. Blue, you speak with such authority concerning this game stating Friendswood didn't do things to keep from running up the score you must have been there.  Did you enjoy the game. [/quote]Twist it anyway you want, but the score dictates what happened. Don't make excuses ("only their first time and we weren't there." How many Yates' games did YOU attend to say they demoralized other teams? Look at your statement; [glow=red,2,300]"As I eluded too earlier I do not know if Friendswood tried to do things to manage the score however it is clear Coach Wise did not.  Additionally, the Friendswood coach is not getting national attention for being unsportsmanlike."[/glow]

[quote name="baddog" post="783731" timestamp="1269896067"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=67894.msg783647#msg783647 date=1269883976] Oh-hhhh, so now it's baseball and you want to MAKE UP different rules. Friendswood could have (1) purposely struckout....... [/quote] Why are you dogging FW? I thought you liked running up the score. You can't applaud one a dog the other. Don't be two-faced. [/quote]baddog you are missing my points. Double standards is what I see here. I hear excuses why Friendswood ran the score up. I have no problem with the score. This is competition and not biddyball. It is what it is, they won by a large margin and if they really wanted to keep the score lower, they could have. Plain and simple.

Baylor got whipped on pure hustle and determination. Looking at rebounds float thru the air. Duke wanted it more. Winning breeds winning

[quote name="Puma" post="783723" timestamp="1269895228"] I agree with some of the comments made already.  If the Friendswood coach did not take measures to manage the score he is no better than Coach Wise.  Does anyone know if he continued to try to score runs after having the game well in hand. Maybe this is a situation similar to what Coach Wise has done and he made his intentions clear at the beginning of the season. [/quote]I think it has already been established [glow=red,2,300]HOW[/glow] they could not have run the score up (switch hit, throw lefty, kick the ball, walk the players, etc, etc, bah-hhhh!

[quote name="GCMPats" post="783665" timestamp="1269886960"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=67894.msg783647#msg783647 date=1269883976] Oh-hhhh, so now it's baseball and you want to MAKE UP different rules. Friendswood could have (1) purposely struckout....... [/quote] What different rules are we making up? The nercy rule has always been in effect in baseball. What does the UIL have in place fro basketball? And yes, that could have been an option for the Friendswood coach. Hopefully he regrets the score and will act differently when they play LM again. If not, he is no better than Coach Wise. [/quote][glow=red,2,300]Why can't you just admit [/glow] they could have:   "Switch hit, bunt, throw with wrong hand, run backwards around the bases, pitch underhanded, and so forth."

[quote name="bullets13000" post="783652" timestamp="1269884488"] This score is disappointing to me, but i don't know the circumstances of the game, and what measures (if any) that the Friendswood coach took to try and manage the score...  If he took serious steps to try to keep the score down, then there's not much to say.  if not, i have as little respect for him as i do for coach wise.  i will say this: when Friendswood sets the national record for consecutive 30 run games by intentionally running up the score on every opponent they face, all of you Wise-supporters can make a realistic argument about double standards.   [/quote]It only takes one game. Plus, Friendswood may not be the powerhouse team as Wise's team.

Oh-hhhh, so now it's baseball and you want to MAKE UP different rules. Friendswood could have (1) purposely struckout.......

[quote name="GCMPats" post="783592" timestamp="1269877243"] This is a tough one. Baseball teams are suposed to be protected by the "mercy" rule. With all the talk on SETEX Sports about the Yates basketball team this year, what do you do as a coach to avoid this type of situation? [/quote]'This is a tough one." What? You were all over the basketball forum dogging out the Yates' coach for running up the score. But do I see you doing it to Friendswood? hMMM! Oh, but this is a tough one, right?  WOW!

[quote name="horndawg" post="782510" timestamp="1269640221"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=65861.msg761259#msg761259 date=1266432169] Just because something isn't going your way it does not mean you quit. [/quote] ...hmm does this include your current teammates or school? [/quote]yes ::)

[quote name="no-look" post="782618" timestamp="1269653606"] Heard that Milbys point guard just transfered to Yates. He scored 46 in one game this year.... [/quote]Aren't you in Lufkin. Players are coming to Yates because of the success this year. Kids transfer all the time.

[quote name="horndawg" post="782491" timestamp="1269636883"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=67443.msg782307#msg782307 date=1269615528] Exactly, but to be the best you have watch and learn from the best. Not those in the middle or bottom of the ladder. wORKwith the best  and expect to be the best.It's a mindset too! [/quote] So basically what you are saying is as a parent, you are supposed to move your son/daughter to where they will win in sports, even if that means hurting their education? [/quote]There are a lot of places to get an education and a winning program at the same school. ;)

[quote name="True Blue Mom" post="782463" timestamp="1269632759"] Yes, HF does play 7 man ball in the summer.  They also have strength and training camps, and yes, mine has participated in both.  Since you're a realist, maybe you can understand the reality of what it does to heart and desire to give it your all ( especially if you do have talent and a high desire to win) when everyone has given up on you and the team.  It's hard enough to go out week after week and not win, but when you don't have any support behind you it's disheartening.  I believe some of those numbers would go up if being a part of the team was something to be proud of rather than something to be laughed at.  For someone who is supposed to know so much about sports, you don't seem to understand the players.  I'd take a group of average athletes with heart and determination up against a talented team with no fire or heart anyday of the week.  Jeez, even the guy from EC gets it. [/quote]Everyone has given up? Like who? All I said is that HF does not have the team to win district right now. It's going to take a lot of work and luck. Athletes with heart don't give up. They just keep on coming at cha. I understand everything you are saying. Sometimes we say things with our heart and thats cool too. But the heart can blind the reality of things.

[quote name="True Blue Mom" post="782379" timestamp="1269623624"] Dove, among the many obstacles HF has to overcome, it's attitudes like yours that contribute to the problem.  Believing that you can win goes a long way in getting there, and when players hear people say it's hopeless for the next couple of years, why would they want to play.  Guess we're just supposed to give up til the stars arrive in a few years. ;) We've got to think like winners to be winners.   There are the resources to turn things around, but the time to start is now.  [/quote]I'm also a realist True Blue. When I see a kid from Silsbee run wide sweeps and nodody can't catch up to the runner, well that tells me something. When I see Jasper's talent compared to Hf, reality sets in and you have to be honest with yourself and your child's talent. Can anyone answer this question? Does Hf participate in 7-man football during the offseason?

[quote name="westend1" post="782331" timestamp="1269618313"] [quote author=KHSAlum400 link=topic=67660.msg781726#msg781726 date=1269526022] [quote author=bleed orange link=topic=67660.msg781576#msg781576 date=1269480496] [quote author=KHSAlum400 link=topic=67660.msg781241#msg781241 date=1269439888] I guess most of the people on the board are on vacation.  ::) [/quote] No not all. I am always happy when a team from Texas does good. Even on the college level. Congrats to the Yates team because they do represent the great state of Texas. I think people have not responded because they are loyal to southeast Texas mainly the golden triangle. That is a normal response. Area's only support area teams. Do you think if a golden triangle team was number 1 in the country that people from houston would get on here and support that team? I don't think so. Normal reaction. [/quote] You missed the whole point. I was speaking on the criticism...but oh well. People are quick to criticize but slow to congratulate. [/quote] Congrats.  Probably never would have happened without that 135 point win.        ::) [/quote]It's not how you start the journey, but make sure you complete it with a bang ;D

[quote name="Jake Sully" post="782333" timestamp="1269618653"] [quote auth=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=67443.msg782323#msg782323 date=1269617285] [quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=67443.msg782309#msg782309 date=1269615968] I remember 10-12 years ago many said Nederland was hopeless, and 5 years ago Lumberton was hopeless. I never believed that was true, and I said good things would soon happen for them both... ;D    [/quote]100% commitment top to bottom([b]top= parents  bottom= administrtion[/b]) [/quote] No, top=coaches; bottom=players [/quote]coaches can't be around their players all summers. If HF parents can help coach, then they should also do it in the summer months ;)

[quote name="ECBucFan" post="782309" timestamp="1269615968"] I remember 10-12 years ago many said Nederland was hopeless, and 5 years ago Lumberton was hopeless. I never believed that was true, and I said good things would soon happen for them both... ;D    [/quote]100% commitment top to bottom(top= parents  bottom= administrtion)

[quote name="ECBucFan" post="782300" timestamp="1269614627"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=67443.msg782296#msg782296 date=1269614119] Can HF possibly build a team to compete with Silsbee and Jasper in 2 years? I just don't think the talent is there to do this at this time. No matter what coach you bring in at this time. [/quote] So what do you do? Just give up? Probably [i]you can't[/i] beat Silsbee and Jasper in 2 years, but shouldn't you try to do the absolute very best with whatever you have to work with?? Maximize the potential you have, however you can! Do that and people will notice!  :) [/quote]Exactly, but to be the best you have watch and learn from the best. Not those in the middle or bottom of the ladder. wORKwith the best  and expect to be the best.It's a mindset too!

I agree that HF should have won games last year. But here is the problem I see. HJ,BC, AND OF are the teams HF is expected to compete with now. Can HF possibly build a team to compete with Silsbee and Jasper in 2 years? I just don't think the talent is there to do this at this time. No matter what coach you bring in at this time.

Da Dove know football talent too. Talent is talent. Talent rise no matter whose coaching. There is a difference between talent and being athletic.  It's easy to blame a coach when talent or athletes don't work to be the best.

[quote name="horndawg" post="781635" timestamp="1269491888"] [quote author=fisherking link=topic=67443.msg781631#msg781631 date=1269489489] [quote author=True Blue Mom link=topic=67443.msg781330#msg781330 date=1269448366] And a great coach is adept at realistically assessing the strengths and weaknesses of the players and opponents then capitalizing on them.   Not so great coaches try to put a square peg in a round hole and wonder why it doesn't work. [/quote] Well what do you do if you have no pegs square or round but still alot of holes to fill?? [/quote] Duct tape: fixes all of life's little problems, especially small holes. [/quote]Ain't enough duct tape to fix the holes in football for a few years

If this is true, that's the first sign to run the opposite direction.

[quote name="Dav-J" post="780845" timestamp="1269380158"] [quote author=HoopInsider_Cooper link=topic=67631.msg780814#msg780814 date=1269377805] [font=Courier]Of the 5 names I have heard, 2 may surprise. [/font] [/quote] The only 2 surprise finalists I could see for the HF AD position, would be Coach Andre Boutte or Les koening Jr. [/quote] :D ;D

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