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[quote name="stevenash" post="720791" timestamp="1259597623"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=63109.msg720750#msg720750 date=1259593364] I just read this and would have answered with the same thing though..................HJ basically played what was Central's JV and for them to have those athlete's and basketball players on that team as a JV than they are much deeper and have more players to choose from because they are a bigger school with twice the enrollment.  Now there are also some exceptions to the rule.  Example HJ has played LCM, Nederland, Lumberton, etc in the past and have beaten them.  Size of school does have a bearing but not each time!!!  Dove I am just trying to come up with anything I can to make MYSELF feel better about losing to Central the other day!!!! [/quote] Just remember, Zeek, that the 2013-2015 HF teams will compete against and beat all area 4-a playoff teams. [/quote]I was just told the 2014 & 2015 play HJ next week. The road to Austin is moving along nicely :D

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="720750" timestamp="1259593364"] I just read this and would have answered with the same thing though..................HJ basically played what was Central's JV and for them to have those athlete's and basketball players on that team as a JV than they are much deeper and have more players to choose from because they are a bigger school with twice the enrollment.  Now there are also some exceptions to the rule.  Example HJ has played LCM, Nederland, Lumberton, etc in the past and have beaten them.  Size of school does have a bearing but not each time!!!  Dove I am just trying to come up with anything I can to make MYSELF feel better about losing to Central the other day!!!! [/quote]LOL!  I'm enjoying the reasons for losing...lol!!!!  Good answers I might add.

[quote name="HJfan2" post="720811" timestamp="1259599051"] Let central play hj again I put money in hj to win by 10 everybody has there bad games [/quote]You better hurry up before the football players get back in basketball shape.

[quote name="TexasTerror" post="720724" timestamp="1259588944"] Two things that are expected - Lamar to have the #1 recruiting class in hoops, NWST in football.  ;D I'm excited about Bob Marlin's class at SHSU. It seems to be his best one in a few years and with the Kats losing Mitchell, Almond and Brown - very crucial we continue to hold our place in the top three of the league by putting in strong players that can fill the hole. [/quote]I also heard thru the grapevine that Sam Houston did good in their recruiting this year and from a much more reliable source than ESPN

[quote name="LoveLiberty1" post="720743" timestamp="1259592358"] I have a feeling BH will take Liberty lightly and be in for a close game. [/quote]I haven't seen BH, but I have seen Liberty's team. Liberty just does not impress me as a very good team.

[quote name="shackbully" post="720703" timestamp="1259576699"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=63109.msg720687#msg720687 date=1259556582] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=63109.msg720633#msg720633 date=1259552675] First of all he is almost 40!!!!  He is older than me!!!  Yes he is at a disadvantage that most good players went to Ozen, but with the "legend" gone he should be able to keep and actually get some of those players to go to Central now.  So you think that in 20 years that you will be able to compare Sutherland and Rice's resume???  If so you are crazy!!!!  And there is a huge difference in a 4a playoff and a 3a playoff team.  You think that Ozen and OF were close last season???  There is a difference.  I hope that Central has a great season and makes a deep run in the playoffs as well.  See it is easy for me to congratulate and wish a team well that beat my team..........it is very hard for some on this board to do that!!!! ;) ;) ;) [/quote]So what is the HUGE difference between 4A and 3A playoff teams? [/quote]If you want to start with the obvious it would be enrollment. HJ has 650 while Central has 1450. Now I'm not saying this always matters. Good basketball tradition programs will allow some smaller schools to continue to produce a product that can and will beat teams that have twice the enrollment as them (ie Kountze 400 to Silsbee 880). It's not that uncommon. What a good question would be is how are these teams able to compete at all against these schools with twice the enrollment. I personally believe it's tradition and coaching. By the way, I would love to see Sutherland get his hands on a larger enrollment school and see just what he could do with it. I personally would not want to be playing against him, much less with the numbers stacked against me as well. This wouldn't be good!! [/quote]Okay, I was really trying to set up LAZEEK  and get him to answer :D

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="720633" timestamp="1259552675"] First of all he is almost 40!!!!  He is older than me!!!  Yes he is at a disadvantage that most good players went to Ozen, but with the "legend" gone he should be able to keep and actually get some of those players to go to Central now.  So you think that in 20 years that you will be able to compare Sutherland and Rice's resume???  If so you are crazy!!!!  And there is a huge difference in a 4a playoff and a 3a playoff team.  You think that Ozen and OF were close last season???  There is a difference.  I hope that Central has a great season and makes a deep run in the playoffs as well.  See it is easy for me to congratulate and wish a team well that beat my team..........it is very hard for some on this board to do that!!!! ;) ;) ;) [/quote]So what is the HUGE difference between 4A and 3A playoff teams?

Hmm? I get the impression that not that many schools are after him. Look like he did well in one all star game. I need more convincing.....been watching lu'S RECRUITING  strategy for too long now.

[quote name="OldTimer" post="720670" timestamp="1259554589"] If you are talking about the Liberty varisty coach - no they have a new coach as the other left due to family reasons or so I was told. [/quote]He must have left within the last 2 weeks.

[quote name="CATMAN" post="720544" timestamp="1259545390"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=61413.msg720504#msg720504 date=1259540537] Sports has the tendency to mirror life and like life, you experience ups and downs. HF will experience the ups in a few years when all the pieces are in place again. [/quote] BLUE let it lie ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D U r not going to win this. :D :D :D :D [/quote]LOL! I know! But it's so much fun just saying it.  ;D

Sports has the tendency to mirror life and like life, you experience ups and downs. HF will experience the ups in a few years when all the pieces are in place again.

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="720362" timestamp="1259524358"] It is easy if you take Silsbee, HJ and OF out!!!! ;D ;D ;D [/quote]dang! And I can't present a valid argument :)

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="720274" timestamp="1259515123"] HJ lost to Central last year and still made it to the State tourney.............great win for the young Central team.  Let's see which team does more in district and the playoffs!!!  Congrats Central!!! [/quote]HJ's district is easy, and you know this man!

I find this weekend so interesting with this game. I don't see any HJ supporters saying too much but I do see more Jags coming out lately  :D

[quote name="scooby" post="719495" timestamp="1259439369"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=61413.msg710691#msg710691 date=1258475052] [quote author=PVT Ryan link=topic=61413.msg710641#msg710641 date=1258471915] Place blame where you want, but respect is earned thru hard work and winning results.  [/quote] The hard work, of which you speak, needs to be in the sport where excellence is pursued, as opposed to a "good for everybody" regimen [/quote] i take it from your post(s) that HF must be have some sort of offseason routine that concentrates on more or less generic weight training/conditioning? i didn't catch the sarcasm earlier, but you've referenced it several more times more or less sarcastically... [/quote] Kind of like football is a year round season in HF. You have 7 & 8 grade basketball players during their season weight lifting for football. These two sports deserve their own separate conditioning program.

[quote name="Bucof2010" post="719379" timestamp="1259427888"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=61413.msg719357#msg719357 date=1259426780] [quote author=Bench Warmer link=topic=61413.msg719315#msg719315 date=1259423178] Because they was beat by Tarkington!!! [/quote] So, is Tarkington considered a good 3-A basketball team or not? If a team scores 86 points, thats impressive. [/quote] 86 is impressive when your not playing hf lol [/quote] >:( :D

[quote name="Bench Warmer" post="719315" timestamp="1259423178"] Because they was beat by Tarkington!!! [/quote] So, is Tarkington considered a good 3-A basketball team or not? If a team scores 86 points, thats impressive.

HJ played in the big leagues last night.  :D

Hmm? I thought coaches usually start building their teams the first 3 years and by year four and five,  those same  youth begin to show their experience on the court? Again, maybe it's the conditioning of players that could be a problem. I personally know that Oklahoma has a good conditioning program. Their players were up about 5:00 runiing and in the weight room prior to the start of Fall classes.

[quote name="GoMavs" post="718798" timestamp="1259373530"] Is the Liberty coach still there from last year? He was young and energetic kids responded to him. [/quote]Yep, he's a young guy and I like his demeanor on the court. They do listen to him and thats good.

I expected Liberty Varsity to be better than I witnessed. I thought there was a strong program there.

what times are the games tonight? Does anyone know?

[quote name="mffl" post="718333" timestamp="1259312650"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=62973.msg718108#msg718108 date=1259281918] [quote author=tyree link=topic=62973.msg718103#msg718103 date=1259279813] I think Roc does get it. And I think this team will be better by conference. Did we really think we could go on the road against 4 D1 teams with a starting line-up of two sophs, a new JC transfer, and a forward and center that didn't play at all last year and win? Guys, its still November. The shooting is disappointing, but we know we have great athletes in Miles and Harper...if they could shoot from behind the arc, they wouldn't be here (they were a combined 8 for 25 last night)...I guess Roc thinks you can teach shooting but athleticism is what it is. Maybe Minor and Mathis will be the answer as shooters...and IF we get Hall back that will only help. I'm still onboard and believe in what Roc is doing...many have posted here over recent years that we needed to recruit out of high school and take our lumps and be patient...well????? [/quote]As I said before the season started, it would have been better to try and play with the big boys early and lose than play with the small schools and win. Now, you have no excuse. And as far as Miles, he's an average player but he hasn't shown the skills to take a team anywhere. He's not quick enough for the point and too small on the wing with lack of athleticism. All I gotta say is I hope he has some kids graduating this season..... ;) [/quote] Miles is about as quick as it gets... He is not the best ball handler but his speed is ridiculous. [/quote]If he can't use his speed with the ball, then he isn't as effective with the ball in his hands. Thanks for making my point. Now, on defense I can see his where his  quickness is beneficial to the team.

[quote name="tyree" post="718103" timestamp="1259279813"] I think Roc does get it. And I think this team will be better by conference. Did we really think we could go on the road against 4 D1 teams with a starting line-up of two sophs, a new JC transfer, and a forward and center that didn't play at all last year and win? Guys, its still November. The shooting is disappointing, but we know we have great athletes in Miles and Harper...if they could shoot from behind the arc, they wouldn't be here (they were a combined 8 for 25 last night)...I guess Roc thinks you can teach shooting but athleticism is what it is. Maybe Minor and Mathis will be the answer as shooters...and IF we get Hall back that will only help. I'm still onboard and believe in what Roc is doing...many have posted here over recent years that we needed to recruit out of high school and take our lumps and be patient...well????? [/quote]As I said before the season started, it would have been better to try and play with the big boys early and lose than play with the small schools and win. Now, you have no excuse. And as far as Miles, he's an average player but he hasn't shown the skills to take a team anywhere. He's not quick enough for the point and too small on the wing with lack of athleticism. All I gotta say is I hope he has some kids graduating this season..... ;)

[quote name="scooby" post="717857" timestamp="1259209729"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=62957.msg717597#msg717597 date=1259182695] [quote author=Sloe link=topic=62957.msg717280#msg717280 date=1259122219] [quote author=HoopInsider_Cooper link=topic=62957.msg717267#msg717267 date=1259121648] Tark..86-68 [/quote]wow bludove won't be happy [/quote] I'm still trying find out what happened in the game. And nobody is saying a thing.  I don't expect miracles from the team but they must have run into a buzz saw in those woods up there. [/quote] read the other thread . whats with this "in the woods" thing, we say sticks, boonies, i mean theres some trees around but we're not like a third world country over here....well, come to think of it maybe parts are [/quote]Sorry Scooby, I've only seen the sign to Tarkington but never knew where it was located. 86 points is a lot of points in high school. Boys had to have been running all  4 qtrs. :D