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[quote name="watup" post="688343" timestamp="1256703374"] The way they are quitting football, they should hit the floor during athletics.  Unless that coach said you quit football, you quit all athletics!!!  It's ashame that happens in High School sports because no one likes the coach!!  H-F has good kids and good athletes, EC is better, and H-F want go out and try to find a top of line coach.  And you know BlueDove, H-F had good quality teams several years ago and the last with all the changes in coaching, it has gone down. [/quote]I understand your love but I'm more proned to tough love. Those kids look good against the Bridge Cities, Huffmans, St.Annes, Hardin-Jeffersons and Dishman Elementarys of the world. But when you see them compete against the Jaspers, Silbees, and lord have mercy the Orangefields, this is not a coaching problem. It goes much deeper than most people want to admit. Most of the kids just aren't that good. My 8th grader is fast but does not have or at least has not shown on a consistent basis to play the game the way it should be played. Consistent being the key word. They are consistenly bad each year.

[quote name="CATMAN" post="688125" timestamp="1256688577"] [quote author=Bucof2010 link=topic=61396.msg688112#msg688112 date=1256687685] This thread should be gone If they got different last names but are brothers its safe to assume same mom diff. dad [/quote]     MR.BLUE should no. I thing u are right. [/quote]of course I know! Why don't yall lock this thread, it's old history now and not very productive and too personal.

[quote name="stevenash" post="687977" timestamp="1256678137"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=61413.msg687679#msg687679 date=1256663093] Is it just a long dry spell for HF's basketball? What is it going to take to turn things around in the program? Is it just that the talent is lacking or do the coaches have the dedication to turn their program around? Or a combination or both? I don't know the coaches so I can't comment on them. The one thing that I do notice is that the middle school programs fair well in sports. But I also understand you can't base future performance from middle school heroics. Kids develop at different stages. Some grow in height faster than others and stop growing. Some become slower in foot speed as others speed on. You can't keep the same workout routine you had in the 8th grade and expect to be successful in high school. Which may be why in high school the HF program seems to hit a down-slide. So, what is it going to take? I'm ready to dog-out HJ and EC before 2013 ;D [/quote] UNIVERSAL OFF SEASON!!!!!! [/quote]You know Nash, I think it starts in about 2 weeks. Kids that age, all they need to do are push-ups and sit-ups.

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="687967" timestamp="1256677682"] Lets just say it would be easier to move to HJ...Then you wont have anything to worry about...JK. I wish them well this year and hope they right the ship. [/quote]hahahah! My wife was talking about buying property from a relative of hers out there, who now lives in California.

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="687972" timestamp="1256677977"] Nope did not know that!!! [/quote]And I bet you didn't know I had an older sister who use to date one of Walter Jr's uncles. See, you don't know nothing, man!

[quote name="thetragichippy" post="687930" timestamp="1256675266"] Does Vidor have coaching position available? ;D [/quote] >:( :D

[quote name="Dav-J" post="687932" timestamp="1256675278"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=61413.msg687683#msg687683 date=1256663285] I am not sure.................but they have not been cometitive since Brian DeLord graduated!!!! [/quote] DeLord graduated in 99 or so -- They went a few rounds in the playoffs a few years later ('02 or so) when Jeff Keener was coach and Cedric Lornette, Cody Elliott, Sonny Haynes and Jake Loicano.  Bottom line is they had a good coach back then and he got a lot out of his players. Jeff was a ral basketball coach, not an assistant football coach that got assigned to bball. Not much since then though. [/quote]As earlier as 02 in the playoffs? So HF did beat out HJ that year? Thats not that long ago. I certainly hope that HF have a true basketball person out there and not an ass't football coach running their program. That would say a lot about they feel about the program.

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="687742" timestamp="1256666196"] No Legacy either. No YMBL and no James Gamble!!!! [/quote] >:( >:(

>:( >:( >:(

Is it just a long dry spell for HF's basketball? What is it going to take to turn things around in the program? Is it just that the talent is lacking or do the coaches have the dedication to turn their program around? Or a combination or both? I don't know the coaches so I can't comment on them. The one thing that I do notice is that the middle school programs fair well in sports. But I also understand you can't base future performance from middle school heroics. Kids develop at different stages. Some grow in height faster than others and stop growing. Some become slower in foot speed as others speed on. You can't keep the same workout routine you had in the 8th grade and expect to be successful in high school. Which may be why in high school the HF program seems to hit a down-slide. So, what is it going to take? I'm ready to dog-out HJ and EC before 2013 ;D

So you guys are telling me not ONE PLAYER from Hamshire Fannett made a list? All jokes aside fellas, I've never seen the h.s. players play in a game , but maybe one should be on the list. I thought every team had at least one decent player. ???

[quote name="no-look" post="687513" timestamp="1256649826"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=61360.msg687508#msg687508 date=1256649414] [quote author=no-look link=topic=61360.msg687486#msg687486 date=1256648324] Saw where we have them in a scrimmage the 10th............how is their guard play? [/quote]What team do you support for no-look? [/quote]Huntington [/quote]Hmmm! I didn't realize yall had internet access up there yet :D

[quote name="no-look" post="687486" timestamp="1256648324"] Saw where we have them in a scrimmage the 10th............how is their guard play? [/quote]What team do you support for no-look?

[quote name="magic" post="686550" timestamp="1256571794"] Nick Schrapps is the only returning varsity player from last year.  There are no new "recruits" this year.  St. Thomas has always been a basketball school.  They have more than three times the number of boys in the school compared to kelly, and they have the metroplex to recruit from.  Kelly is clearly in a rebuilding year. [/quote]Wow! Well good luck to you guys.

I'm not familiar with the Catholic district and attended a recruiting function over the weekend at St.Thomas High. I knew St. Thomas supposely had a couple of players who were good. But they have a major schedule playing the big boys. Those guys are serious about their basketball over there. I was wondering how does Kelly match up with St. Thomas in regards to basketball this year?

[quote name="hj_hawk_60" post="686277" timestamp="1256526548"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=60050.msg686239#msg686239 date=1256523412] [quote author=hj_hawk_60 link=topic=60050.msg686136#msg686136 date=1256517516] [quote author=coinhead link=topic=60050.msg676982#msg676982 date=1255717821] wodville 60 hj 6 [/quote] Again.. is this really necessary? what is the reasoning for running up the score so much in a Jr. High game? [/quote]THEY HAD THEIR 5TH STRING IN THE GAME!!!!What did you want them to do? They ran the ball and still scored. [/quote] Idk.. if they had their 5th string players in it is not as bad, i would hope they weren't trying to run the score up... And, let linemen run the ball or something.. lol [/quote]Trust me, they weren't running up the score. HF was outmatched. HF's 1st string couldn't stop their bench players.

[quote name="no-look" post="682609" timestamp="1256171409"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=60724.msg682532#msg682532 date=1256164682] God! How many more weeks before basketball begins? NBA training camp and following Stephon Curry on twitter is all I have right now. >:( [/quote]We are just trying to hold on Dove........ [/quote]Maybe we can start a true help group for basketball addicts whenever the season ends for us. :D

[quote name="hj_hawk_60" post="686136" timestamp="1256517516"] [quote author=coinhead link=topic=60050.msg676982#msg676982 date=1255717821] wodville 60 hj 6 [/quote] Again.. is this really necessary? what is the reasoning for running up the score so much in a Jr. High game? [/quote]THEY HAD THEIR 5TH STRING IN THE GAME!!!!What did you want them to do? They ran the ball and still scored.

[quote name="fisherking" post="684795" timestamp="1256363574"] [quote author=33 link=topic=60899.msg683942#msg683942 date=1256322647] [quote author=horndawg link=topic=60899.msg683937#msg683937 date=1256322080] [quote author=33 link=topic=60899.msg683913#msg683913 date=1256319716] [quote author=Abe Lincoln link=topic=60899.msg683886#msg683886 date=1256318376] anyone who knows anything about HF and its players knows that there are plenty of athletes, we just don't have enough people to put them where they need to go. its hard to play for a team that loses by 40 plus points every game and to have no one want to change anything is even harder. thats why we have the small numbers that we do. ron knows what he is talking about because he sees it every day and all you other jokers don't have a clue! [/quote] i wasn't going to even add to this thread after the topic went from the game to this but IMO, it's not the athletes people should be bashing for quitting or anything of the sort. look what happen to BC 3 years ago, they went 0-10 and if you didn't score 60 on us you weren't a good football team. but the only people to leave the team that season were the seniors at the end of the season. that falls on the coaches. if you are having a horrible season and you have kids quitting left and right, that is on the coaches. [/quote] this type of stuff is what really ticks me off, not everything lies with the coaches, maybe  things lie with them partially, but my lord, at some point you have to stop pointing the finger, grow up and realize it's your choice to quit, not the coaches, you decide to quit then blame the coach? Puhleez, quitting is the easy way out and the easy way to point the finger. That's the reason we have many problems these days because people look for others to blame when, in fact, if they'd take responsibility for their own actions, they'd realize they choose their own outcome. Maybe you don't agree with everything he does and you don't have to, but quitting isn't doing anything but showing how weak you really are and that you'd rather take the easy way out. I'm not that old yet but I can tell you that life sometimes sucks and is worse than things that happen in high school football, if you are already quitting something that is fun, I can't imagine what else you'll quit later on. Anyways that's the end of my rant.  [/quote] you're right, it's the individuals choice, but they choose to quit due to the lack of discipline. a coach teaches discipline as apart of the game, and if the kids dont have the discipline to work that much harder and not quit then someone isn't doing their job or there is just no hope with the majority of the people in this world. when i was in school the coaches told us that they are here to teach us life lessons and to give us the discipline to make life choices and to go on with life through adversity without quitting and giving up on whatever it is that lies in our way to succeed in life. and of course win some football games just to make the lesson that much more fun. but their primary goal was to teach us about life and how to continue, and then it was to teach us how to play the sport we love. im not trying to take up for the people that quit and just bash coaches. im not trying to take up for the coaches either. i just typed what i was thinking and maybe it doesn't read out like how im thinking it. i do agree with what you said, i was just typing what im thinking and as i said, maybe its not being read or typed out like how its going through my mind. [/quote] Let me ask you something brainiac with all the asnwers. Can you and anyone else please enlighten this board how this coaching staff is making these quit, if they are really quitting. Seems I read something that HF had only 60 something kids show up the first day of 2 a days. What is it that make you think a coach can do anything about a quitter? It sounds to me that kids are quitting because they have NO DISCIPLINE aND MAYBE THE hf STAFF IS JUST DEMANDING DISCIPLINE AND THEY REFUSE TO FOLLOW THEREFORE THEY WALK AWAY FROM THE TEAM AND THE PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO DISCIPLINE OR HEART? pLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME AND THE REST OF THIS BOARD HOW YOU HOLD coaches accountable if a kid doesn't have the heart to play football. WQhat can a coach do? Probably weren't much of a player to begin with. But please give me examples of discipline and how it is lacking in HF? [/quote]Very good points!

And some coaches leave when the talent pool is drying up. :(

[quote name="Silsbee88" post="683754" timestamp="1256309610"] Silsbee 8th grade A team Silsbee- 30 OF - 0 [/quote]sheez! We have Silsbee next!

[quote name="33" post="683942" timestamp="1256322647"] [quote author=horndawg link=topic=60899.msg683937#msg683937 date=1256322080] [quote author=33 link=topic=60899.msg683913#msg683913 date=1256319716] [quote author=Abe Lincoln link=topic=60899.msg683886#msg683886 date=1256318376] anyone who knows anything about HF and its players knows that there are plenty of athletes, we just don't have enough people to put them where they need to go. its hard to play for a team that loses by 40 plus points every game and to have no one want to change anything is even harder. thats why we have the small numbers that we do. ron knows what he is talking about because he sees it every day and all you other jokers don't have a clue! [/quote] i wasn't going to even add to this thread after the topic went from the game to this but IMO, it's not the athletes people should be bashing for quitting or anything of the sort. look what happen to BC 3 years ago, they went 0-10 and if you didn't score 60 on us you weren't a good football team. but the only people to leave the team that season were the seniors at the end of the season. that falls on the coaches. if you are having a horrible season and you have kids quitting left and right, that is on the coaches. [/quote] this type of stuff is what really ticks me off, not everything lies with the coaches, maybe  things lie with them partially, but my lord, at some point you have to stop pointing the finger, grow up and realize it's your choice to quit, not the coaches, you decide to quit then blame the coach? Puhleez, quitting is the easy way out and the easy way to point the finger. That's the reason we have many problems these days because people look for others to blame when, in fact, if they'd take responsibility for their own actions, they'd realize they choose their own outcome. Maybe you don't agree with everything he does and you don't have to, but quitting isn't doing anything but showing how weak you really are and that you'd rather take the easy way out. I'm not that old yet but I can tell you that life sometimes sucks and is worse than things that happen in high school football, if you are already quitting something that is fun, I can't imagine what else you'll quit later on. Anyways that's the end of my rant.   [/quote] you're right, it's the individuals choice, but they choose to quit due to the lack of discipline. a coach teaches discipline as apart of the game, and if the kids dont have the discipline to work that much harder and not quit then someone isn't doing their job or there is just no hope with the majority of the people in this world. when i was in school the coaches told us that they are here to teach us life lessons and to give us the discipline to make life choices and to go on with life through adversity without quitting and giving up on whatever it is that lies in our way to succeed in life. and of course win some football games just to make the lesson that much more fun. but their primary goal was to teach us about life and how to continue, and then it was to teach us how to play the sport we love. im not trying to take up for the people that quit and just bash coaches. im not trying to take up for the coaches either. i just typed what i was thinking and maybe it doesn't read out like how im thinking it. i do agree with what you said, i was just typing what im thinking and as i said, maybe its not being read or typed out like how its going through my mind. [/quote]In athletics, you quit a team because maybe you have outgrown the team and transfer to a better team that match your skills. Not quit and sit at home to moan about the coaches.

[quote name="33" post="683913" timestamp="1256319716"] [quote author=Abe Lincoln link=topic=60899.msg683886#msg683886 date=1256318376] anyone who knows anything about HF and its players knows that there are plenty of athletes, we just don't have enough people to put them where they need to go. its hard to play for a team that loses by 40 plus points every game and to have no one want to change anything is even harder. thats why we have the small numbers that we do. ron knows what he is talking about because he sees it every day and all you other jokers don't have a clue! [/quote] i wasn't going to even add to this thread after the topic went from the game to this but IMO, it's not the athletes people should be bashing for quitting or anything of the sort. look what happen to BC 3 years ago, they went 0-10 and if you didn't score 60 on us you weren't a good football team. but the only people to leave the team that season were the seniors at the end of the season. that falls on the coaches. if you are having a horrible season and you have kids quitting left and right, that is on the coaches. [/quote]Not true! You don't quit A TEAM beacuse you are losers...errr I meant losing. I have no respect for people who quit when things aren't going your way. True athletes know this and stick it out as a team.

Question? I keep hearing HF had a good team once upon a time. When was this and what happened to the coach?

[quote name="Gasilla" post="683474" timestamp="1256262140"] [quote author=bmrm link=topic=60050.msg683395#msg683395 date=1256256844] HJ 7th grade B:  0 HF 7th grade B: 14 HJ played much better than last week with no turnovers & completing 7 of 9 passes when we haven't thrown 9 passes all year.  Still need work on OL & DL.  HF's field was in great shape even with all the rain today. [/quote] Any "A" team scores? [/quote] bOTH HF  "A" teams stumped HJ tonight.