OlDawg

[quote name="OctFeb" post="1416035" timestamp="1372179496"] [quote author=OlDawg link=topic=112661.msg1416034#msg1416034 date=1372179292] I'm beginning to really want to see SC in 21-5A with the existing teams. If they think they've seen D/physical play, it will be an eye opening experience. Manvel can give some pointers. I would have rated Manvel way ahead of SC in 2012. :) [/quote] Oh that is a great comparison  ;D [/quote]All about the D in 21-5A. If a team has one, they consistently win. If they don't, it's hit or miss based on class talent. :)

I'm beginning to really want to see SC in 21-5A with the existing teams. If they think they've seen D/physical play, it will be an eye opening experience. Manvel can give some pointers. I would have rated Manvel way ahead of SC in 2012. SC 2012 would have been lucky fighting it out for 5th with West Brook. Nothing bad. Just a realization of play level. :)

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1415261" timestamp="1371844105"] [quote author=OlDawg link=topic=112616.msg1415162#msg1415162 date=1371833870] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=112616.msg1415159#msg1415159 date=1371833608] [quote author=OlDawg link=topic=112616.msg1415154#msg1415154 date=1371833145] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=112616.msg1415151#msg1415151 date=1371832963] Didn't say out-right.  ;) Darn mutts, gotta break it down for em if its not about Bacon.  :P [/quote]Can't use bacon right now. If you log out, you can't get back on. Don't know who is in charge to get fixed... >:( [/quote]i never logoff of it [/quote]I think the NSA is using my password.  :o If you see a .5, you'll know why. [/quote]wait a minute, this forum? i thought you were talking bout another one. [/quote]I was talking about another one.

21-5A: 1. North Shore 2. La Porte 3. PA Memorial 4. Deer Park 5. West Brook 6. Channelview 7. Sterling I could see a jumbled mess. NS travels to PAM, has LP & DP at GPISD. LP plays at NS & DP with PAM coming to LP. PAM gets NS & DP at home and play at LP. DP goes to NS & PAM, but has LP at home. Should be fun! I think DC has picked NS as #1 forever anyway. Hasn't panned out too well in the last couple.  ;D

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1415159" timestamp="1371833608"] [quote author=OlDawg link=topic=112616.msg1415154#msg1415154 date=1371833145] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=112616.msg1415151#msg1415151 date=1371832963] Didn't say out-right.  ;) Darn mutts, gotta break it down for em if its not about Bacon.  :P [/quote]Can't use bacon right now. If you log out, you can't get back on. Don't know who is in charge to get fixed... >:( [/quote]i never logoff of it [/quote]I think the NSA is using my password.  :o If you see a .5, you'll know why.

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1415151" timestamp="1371832963"] Didn't say out-right.  ;) Darn mutts, gotta break it down for em if its not about Bacon.  :P [/quote]Can't use bacon right now. If you log out, you can't get back on. Don't know who is in charge to get fixed... >:(

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1414899" timestamp="1371747115"] [quote author=OlDawg link=topic=112616.msg1414801#msg1414801 date=1371728644] [quote author=songone link=topic=112616.msg1414797#msg1414797 date=1371725674] [quote author=RHBoiler link=topic=112616.msg1414764#msg1414764 date=1371694252] [/quote] NOW! PAM... GREAT TEAM... Simple as that. DC ranked or not! If and I mean if there is ever a day PAM is classified 4A the whole complex of this board will change.  [b]PAM is head and shoulders above most 5A teams D1 & D2 [/b] and will punish the surrounding 4A teams for years to come.  I'm sorry, no other way to say it! I say that because Manvel played a few (at the time) top level SETX teams in playoffs prior to leaving 4A being Dayton and PNG in the playoffs... and that game with PAM was a whole different animal.  No comparison between level of competition! [/quote]Ummm...PAM can't even win 21-5A and is usually fighting for the last PO spot.  Let's just keep things in perspective. :o ;D :P [/quote][b]Its been LP vs PAM for the district title the past 2 years[/b], i see it no different this year. Im just keeping it in perspective though. Good luck. [/quote]Still not sure where you're getting this from. The [b]BEST[/b] PAM could've hoped for was 2011. Both teams were undefeated going into Week 10. 2012, could have claimed a 3-way share with LP and NS. I see no way PAM could have claimed an outright 21-5A title in 2012. Both cases, LP was going into PAM week undefeated in district and came out undefeated in district. Memorial Stadium is like a second home. (To their credit, in 2011, PAM got their revenge about a month later to record their only win against LP in history.) I enjoy 21-5A as it is with 4 really competitive teams. As much as we tend to rib each other, it's a good group of solid teams who enjoy PO success at a good clip. Very solid district for the most part. Besides all that, the fans are fun.

[quote name="Coach Comeaux" post="1414820" timestamp="1371734113"] [quote author=OlDawg link=topic=112616.msg1414807#msg1414807 date=1371730580] [quote author=songone link=topic=112616.msg1414804#msg1414804 date=1371729863] The (2) 21-5A teams they usually lose to are ranked in the top 25 of Texas 5A teams... Now how many 5A teams are in Texas?  That still leaves plenty of teams to be better than. [/quote]Shhhh...I'm reeling in a MBG.  ;) [/quote] shoot you ain't catching that ole rascal... he may make the bobber go down... but right before you set the hook, he will bust the water and spit it at you!! LOL [/quote]Darn hardhead or not even a keeper. What a waste... ;D

[quote name="songone" post="1414804" timestamp="1371729863"] The (2) 21-5A teams they usually lose to are ranked in the top 25 of Texas 5A teams... Now how many 5A teams are in Texas?  That still leaves plenty of teams to be better than. [/quote]Shhhh...I'm reeling in a MBG.  ;)

[quote name="songone" post="1414797" timestamp="1371725674"] [quote author=RHBoiler link=topic=112616.msg1414764#msg1414764 date=1371694252] [/quote] NOW! PAM... GREAT TEAM... Simple as that. DC ranked or not! If and I mean if there is ever a day PAM is classified 4A the whole complex of this board will change.  [b]PAM is head and shoulders above most 5A teams D1 & D2 [/b] and will punish the surrounding 4A teams for years to come.  I'm sorry, no other way to say it! I say that because Manvel played a few (at the time) top level SETX teams in playoffs prior to leaving 4A being Dayton and PNG in the playoffs... and that game with PAM was a whole different animal.  No comparison between level of competition! [/quote]Ummm...PAM can't even win 21-5A and is usually fighting for the last PO spot.  Let's just keep things in perspective. :o ;D :P

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1414426" timestamp="1371602589"] [quote author=SFA85 link=topic=112616.msg1414425#msg1414425 date=1371602047] LP's kinda low don't ya think?  Their whole squad is returning..... [/quote] I didnt even notice them at #23 on first glance, I dont think they go thru district without 1 or 2 losses this yr, BUT they have one proven RB back, their QB is a smart one and have made changes to their offense (more passing) per LP folks. They will be stout on D again also (until Week-10). [b]They will be good but not nearly as good as the previous 2 years IMO.[/b][/quote]I think DCTF is giving a little love since LP has consistently been in the last 16 teams playing in 5A. The OL will tell the tale. I expect LP to lose a game or 2 early as they mesh a new OL and new offensive wrinkles. They also lost Medina (K). But, plenty of skill players return. D will be fine  ;). Last bolded--could be much better if they can sync. I like the new OC's style from what I've been able to see so far. If he can make the scheme work at Pas. Memorial like he has been able to with their talent, I like LP's chances.

[quote name="PNGFan" post="1413858" timestamp="1371490489"] Summer Creeks numers were 2085 last year. Looks like they'll fit in just nicely with 21-5A 21-5A  Dist.    Ovr.  Team (ADA) W L                W L Baytown Sterling (2440) 0 0 0 0 Beaumont West Brook (2327) 0 0 0 0 Channelview (2331) 0 0 0 0 Deer Park (3917) 0 0 0 0 Galena Park North Shore (4601)      0 0 0 0 La Porte (2185) 0 0 0 0 Port Arthur Memorial (2270) 0 0 0 0 [/quote]21-5A can always use another team fighting it out for 4th.

Personally, I worry if an offensive player or squad plays really well in the spring game. Congrats to the player. But, it doesn't bode well.

True 3-4, or a 50?

[quote name="GCMPats2" post="1404682" timestamp="1368585119"] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=111553.msg1404658#msg1404658 date=1368577633] [quote author=ThirdDay link=topic=111553.msg1404635#msg1404635 date=1368567724] I am at a loss BG.  I am not trying to take anything away from the other schools in the district with this comment but, I don't buy it that other schools have better a pool of athletes.  [b]There are athletes in Baytown.[/b]  For whatever reason, they get to high school and start getting left behind by the likes of PAM, NS, LP, WB, etc.  The only thing I can think of would be work ethic as being the difference. I know it is more than just having a good coach, but also the players and parents that have to make it a priority.  I heard a quote one time that said something like "the role of a coach is to get players to do what they don't want to do in order to become the player they've always dreamed of being."  I think it was Lombardi but am not sure.  We have some skill players but some think they just show up without putting in the time to train.  And how do you get the big boys out of the halls?  Maybe the moon and stars have to align just right for the right group of boys to come through that excels in spite of the poor work ethic or maybe it is finding "that" coach that is a lightning rod of change. [/quote] you partially right (in bold). there's athletes in [b]Baytown[/b], just not alot at RSS like other schools in 21-5A at the moment. DP doesnt have an abundance of athletes but they make up for it with their coaching staff.  ;) [/quote] Take Deer Park HS, divide it into 3 schools. Now let's see them make up for it with their coaching. Compare apple's to apple's. [/quote]La Porte says hello. Of course, that's not really apples to apples either, is it? La Porte would be the mini apple.

[quote name="cougar14" post="1398215" timestamp="1366983090"] [quote author=OlDawg link=topic=110729.msg1396439#msg1396439 date=1366478358] [quote author=cougar14 link=topic=110729.msg1395582#msg1395582 date=1366260306] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110729.msg1395425#msg1395425 date=1366231208] [quote author=cougar14 link=topic=110729.msg1395418#msg1395418 date=1366230762] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110729.msg1395323#msg1395323 date=1366217105] [quote author=Bill Dauterive link=topic=110729.msg1395183#msg1395183 date=1366199632] There are four reasons why Westbrook will not make the playoffs next year 1. Northshore 2. PAM 3. LaPorte 4. Deer Park [/quote] ;) I was just telling someone that this past weekend. +1 [/quote]Y'all are overselling Deer Park and La Porte lost Whitely. For having way over 3k kids DP is never more than decent. I think WB gets in this year over either DP or La Porte. [/quote][b]Deer Park out-executes everybody in the district[/b] IMO (i saw 2 of their district games versus LP & NS) and should have beaten the top 3 teams this past season. La Porte lost Whitely: correct, but they return Lewis who a bit smaller but faster and quicker than Whitely, return their QB as well and will have the best D in the district more than likely. WB best bet for a win next season versus the top 4 teams in the district is against NS and that is only if the NS OC allows it. They aint beating PAM or LP this year thats for sure.  8) [/quote]Which is the only reason they usually make the playoffs. Massey is a good coach but he also has nearly 4000 kids to choose from. When is a last time DP made a run? With that type of enrollment they should be North Shore's rival, instead they're NS's toy. Like you said though, they execute extremely well but for some reason much like BH in 19-4a they just don't seam to have the horses to consistently compete when they're not senior heavy. [b]I also think there could be 2 three loss teams that get into the playoffs.[/b] One thing that's for sure is once Flannigan gets the offense installed WB is going to score points, everything else is up in the air but they will be explosive on offense. He's going to get a lot of kids scholarships on the offensive side of the ball if he hangs around long enough. [/quote][b]What are you smoking again? This is simply delusional. Do you see spiders? Are you hungry? What?[/b]  ;) [/quote]Deer Park got in with four losses last year. Simple math Ol Dawg, or better yet maybe it's a new trick. I assume you think DP is getting into the playoffs right? What 6 teams are they going to beat in the district? Say they beat 5 teams in the district, that gives LP, NS or PAM a loss before they play the other two teams. One thing is for sure, at least one team with three losses is getting in and if WB wins a couple more district games this year and you get an undefeated district champ there could very well be two three loss teams get in. Don't go getting all excited and knocking your water out of the bowl before you think about it now. [/quote]My simple math tells me DP got in the PO's in 2012 with a 3-3 District record as the 4th place team. It would be close to impossible for two 3-loss teams to make the PO's in a 7 team 21-5A District.

C. Taylor is used to not having the best "athletes" on the field. Just ask NS and PAM.

[quote name="cougar14" post="1395582" timestamp="1366260306"] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110729.msg1395425#msg1395425 date=1366231208] [quote author=cougar14 link=topic=110729.msg1395418#msg1395418 date=1366230762] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110729.msg1395323#msg1395323 date=1366217105] [quote author=Bill Dauterive link=topic=110729.msg1395183#msg1395183 date=1366199632] There are four reasons why Westbrook will not make the playoffs next year 1. Northshore 2. PAM 3. LaPorte 4. Deer Park [/quote] ;) I was just telling someone that this past weekend. +1 [/quote]Y'all are overselling Deer Park and La Porte lost Whitely. For having way over 3k kids DP is never more than decent. I think WB gets in this year over either DP or La Porte. [/quote][b]Deer Park out-executes everybody in the district[/b] IMO (i saw 2 of their district games versus LP & NS) and should have beaten the top 3 teams this past season. La Porte lost Whitely: correct, but they return Lewis who a bit smaller but faster and quicker than Whitely, return their QB as well and will have the best D in the district more than likely. WB best bet for a win next season versus the top 4 teams in the district is against NS and that is only if the NS OC allows it. They aint beating PAM or LP this year thats for sure.  8) [/quote]Which is the only reason they usually make the playoffs. Massey is a good coach but he also has nearly 4000 kids to choose from. When is a last time DP made a run? With that type of enrollment they should be North Shore's rival, instead they're NS's toy. Like you said though, they execute extremely well but for some reason much like BH in 19-4a they just don't seam to have the horses to consistently compete when they're not senior heavy. [b]I also think there could be 2 three loss teams that get into the playoffs.[/b] One thing that's for sure is once Flannigan gets the offense installed WB is going to score points, everything else is up in the air but they will be explosive on offense. He's going to get a lot of kids scholarships on the offensive side of the ball if he hangs around long enough. [/quote]What are you smoking again? This is simply delusional. Do you see spiders? Are you hungry? What?  ;)

[quote name="Scatright" post="1374323" timestamp="1360879268"] I've been saying it since day 1.  GREAT hire by Liberty!!  Now, lets see if the kids respond. [/quote]Not just the kids. The community. Good Luck Coach!

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1368713" timestamp="1359677958"] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=108809.msg1368702#msg1368702 date=1359676274] for 21-5A I got: 1. Deer Park 2. Channelview 3. Sterling 4. PAM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. La Porte 6. West Brook 7. North Shore :P [/quote] ^^^ thats a joke btw. my prediction is 1. PAM 2. LP 3. NS 4. Channelview 5. Deer Park 6. WB 7. Sterling [/quote]DP, NS, & LP have returning QB's. NS & LP return proven RB's. NS & LP return typically sound D's. NS, DP, LP, PAM, WB, CV, BS. It will take LP some time to gel. They also travel to GPISD & Abshier in 2013. DP and NS owe LP. Both have LP at their home stadiums. This may be the year. PAM & WB are at Bulldog Stadium. Wouldn't be surprised at multiple tiebreakers. All said with very little insight into WB at this time. Quiet in BISD...

[quote name="Scatright" post="1368972" timestamp="1359752403"] If they bring the salary and allow him to upgrade facilities, I feel it is a lock.  Those are the two things he needs to be hammering in negotiations,. [/quote]La Porte to Liberty is about 40 minutes. The only way it's a lock is if he wants to put his own stamp on a program. He has support, salary, 5A recognition at LP. I'm not saying plus or minus one way or the other. I will say--as an analogy--I'm opening a new engineering office in the Sulphur/Lake Charles area. I can beat any compensation (bennies and pay) that are currently offered. I'm finding it difficult due to uncertainties with our current fiscal/medical situation as promoted by the Federal Government. Many are leery to make a major move right now... I feel it will take a major commitment by Liberty and a long-term arrangement. Just my thoughts. Geting closer to family is one thing. Salary/benefits/longevity is an entirely different matter. Especially when we're discussing 40 minutes.

[quote name="Scatright" post="1368948" timestamp="1359749195"] [quote author=OlDawg link=topic=106621.msg1368944#msg1368944 date=1359748252] [b]IF [/b] Taylor takes the job, congrats to him and Liberty. Great coach. All foes get ready for some serious misdirection offense. Don't expect many passes. Expect a pound game with a seriously confused opponent D. [/quote] You are right.  There is an "if".  Taylor let it be known last year that he was not leaving LP for peanuts.  Him not being in Hardin came down to dollars. Liberty needs to pony up. [/quote]He's got a great gig at LP. Good money. Close to home. PO's pretty much every year with a chance to go very far any given year. Hometown mystique and nostalgia only goes so far. Risk/Reward scenario.

[b]IF [/b] Taylor takes the job, congrats to him and Liberty. Great coach. All foes get ready for some serious misdirection offense. Don't expect many passes. Expect a pound game with a seriously confused opponent D.

Fairly sure La Porte will be okay. Regardless of possible coaching changes. The basic system and tradition will remain. Just need to continue to take the next step and build off it.

[quote name="Joharr73" post="1338287" timestamp="1353463490"] I've seen conflicting dates and times of when the La Porte game is.  Can someone confirm date, time & location? [/quote]Saturday, 11/24, 2 pm, the Rig (Pearland). LP is Home Side.