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[quote name="Mr.Scofield" post="1226656" timestamp="1338234880"] I don't expect to see a turn-around this upcoming year, but as for the next year, you never know.. with a full good off-season and a year in the program.. they could see playoffs [/quote] One of the biggest misconceptions about coaches, is that in one year they can turn things around. Now if a new coach is coming into a successful program, then yes they have a good shot of doing good in the first season. However, in my opinion, you should not get rid of a coach until he has had a minimum of 4 years in the school.

[quote name="incognito123" post="1226479" timestamp="1338153090"] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=96976.msg1226291#msg1226291 date=1338067512] [quote author=incognito123 link=topic=96976.msg1226020#msg1226020 date=1337982626] [quote author=knows2much link=topic=96976.msg1225964#msg1225964 date=1337964019] [quote author=JG1834 link=topic=96976.msg1225942#msg1225942 date=1337957138] Why is everyone acting like Hardin hasn't been getting the attention they deserve from the last AD. Haynes Has an incredible record, most of it at the 4A/ 5A level, and he was the coach when they won the only playoff game in school history, oh and by the way he was also the QB for the only district champ in school history. He was at every home athletic function icluding the girls hornetmom, and not to mention this place was a dump before Haynes showed up, I was here I remember, now we have some of the nicest athletic facilities in the state for any level much less 2A and thats includes the work he had done at the baseball and softball fields. No offense to Fortune but if Larry Haynes can't score points with em no one can [/quote] That's absolutely right.  Coach Haynes is the winningest head coach in the school's 70 year history...and they ran him out of town.  I think the folks at Hardin (much like everywhere else) are just too unrealistic.  There is no question that a great coach can do great things. And there is no question that Hardin may could have done better than they have in the past.  But bottom line... you cant win a horse race without a horse, and you cant win football games without some good players.  Hardin has had an unfortunate history of playing against some tough competition.  Even when Hardin strings together a couple of years with a lot of talent.  No matter how good of a coach Coach Fortune may be...Hardin still has to deal with some very talented teams. [/quote] Yeah, you guys are wrong.  Larry was never present at any athletic events other than football games.  He was disconnected during the school year.  Did not engage the kids, ever.  He wasn't run out of town, he retired.  Actually he told everyone he was going to retire and then come back in August to double dip.  Didn't quite work out for him.  [/quote] To make the inference that Coach Haynes did not care (which you post implies) is pure balderdash. That being said, it appears that Hardin got the right guy in Walter Fortune to lead the Hornets. [/quote] WOSGrad, I do not mean to be confrontational, so please take this as a calm inference.  I have to ask, how do you know that Haynes cared?  Have you spent many many hours around the town of Hardin or been intimately involved their athletics programs, as I have?  Have you spoken with the girl athletes and hear them say they've never seen Coach Haynes at any of their events, as I have?  Have you seen Coach Haynes not show up to the school on school days except for the athletic period, as I have?  Have you spoken with the athletes that testify to his lack of care about them except for during football season, as I have?  Have you seen the change in attitudes of the boys since the arrival of Coach Fortune, as I have?  Have you heard the boys talk about how hard they want to play for Coach Fortune when they didn't want to play hard for Haynes, as I have? Balderdash? Maybe, but it's hard to call it that when I saw the evidence of it every day. [/quote] Just a side note, I have heard much of the same from Hardin parents. Now these might just be the typical small town mom and dads that you cannot ever please, I do not know, but this is not the first time i have heard comments similiar to these.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1226470" timestamp="1338149761"] [quote author=LP2012 link=topic=99637.msg1226468#msg1226468 date=1338149541] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=99637.msg1226467#msg1226467 date=1338148616] Here are a few records to back me up. Here's there record with LCM (a 4A school incase you didn't know) [Hidden Content] Here's another one with a 3A school Jasper [Hidden Content] Last year they took the 20-4A district champs to overtime and came very very close to winning. I think that speaks for itself. What has Coldspring done against the greats of SETX? [/quote] coldspring beat WOS last year in playoffs. So that would make them better than WOS advancing all the way to the semi's i believe. The year before that they played for the state championship. Do not get me wrong WOS is very good, but the simple fact is Coldspring is better. [/quote] The past 4 years yes Coldspring has had the upper hand but lets check consistency here. Who has been consistently good? [/quote] True WOS has been a better program over time, but i think, this is just my opinion, that Coldspring is the best small school team is setx this year, so they have the best chance of beating the other teams like WB. Not saying that they would, but i think they have a better chance. Just because WOS has been better in the past that does not mean that they are better in the present.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1226467" timestamp="1338148616"] Here are a few records to back me up. Here's there record with LCM (a 4A school incase you didn't know) [Hidden Content] Here's another one with a 3A school Jasper [Hidden Content] Last year they took the 20-4A district champs to overtime and came very very close to winning. I think that speaks for itself. What has Coldspring done against the greats of SETX? [/quote] coldspring beat WOS last year in playoffs. So that would make them better than WOS advancing all the way to the semi's i believe. The year before that they played for the state championship. Do not get me wrong WOS is very good, but the simple fact is Coldspring is better.

The best school 3a and below in setx is without a doubt coldspring now idk how they would match up to the 4 and 5a's, but they have the best chance of playing against them IMO

Congrats to daniel fitzwater qb from liberty big things are in store for this young man

[quote name="Sunshine11" post="1225457" timestamp="1337801975"] Yeah.. So back to the band you go.. So where do you get your football knowledge from??? [/quote] First off the band comment was directed at I can do anything 2nd I am very aware of the difference in the splitback and the wishbone as I said I was not paying much attention to the varsity as I was watching the liberty jv play and get murdered so all I saw was a glance and parents talking about Anahuac running the wishbone I was misinformed and being that all I could see was the back of the Anahuac offense I could not tell that there was only two backs

Ok you are probably right, but I could of sworn that I saw three backs in the backfield. But I must have been mistaken I was paying more attention to the jv game.

[quote name="Sunshine11" post="1225352" timestamp="1337788827"] I attended the 7on7 tournament all day Saturday and Not one time did I see Anahuac line up in the WishBone.. You should learn the difference in Split back, and the WishBone [/quote] Actually for your information, when Liberty played Anahuac in the league on one thrusday the lined up in the wish bone for a few plays, also the spent some time in the I and splitback. They may have decided to get out of the wishbone on Saturday because it did not have a lot of success, as to I can do nothing, with all of your amazing football knowledge, your pop warner team must be so raw that they win the championship every year. back to the band

[quote name="H-D BOBCAT 55" post="1219236" timestamp="1336345091"] Really wish H-D would play. Good for the kids. [/quote] For once I agree. Even though H-d was a run heavy team, you can always work on passing no matter what offense you run. FOr example, Anahuac was lined up in the wishbone, which gained a lot of laughs from the sidelines, but it makes since, because even in the running offenses sometimes you have throw.

[quote name="H-D BOBCAT 55" post="1225177" timestamp="1337732324"] [quote author=lp4life link=topic=96976.msg1224876#msg1224876 date=1337660101] h-d sucks..and will continue to do so. Even if they make the playoffs it's still 1-a. There s not a team in all of setx who wouldn't beat them [/quote]H-D is the winningest program in Liberty County with over 520 victories. Also H-D has more District Championships than any team in Liberty County. Furthermore, H-D is the only football team in Liberty County with a State Championship. No matter how long ago or what year is was... go get you one before you smack talk. H-D put Liberty County on the map a long time ago. Yes, Dayton has a great program, over the last 15 years top notch. Let's not forget the 80's and early 90's, before development pushed city folk into Dayton, Broncos had one of the worst programs in the State.  ;) 8) [/quote] He did not say they were not good at one point. He said that right NOW, this last season, H-D was not good. However, I think we have hijacked thid tthread long enough lol. Back to Coach fortune. It is not fair to judge a coach based on what he did at Tarkington. No disrespect to the players at Tarkington, but they just do not have any size or speed. They do always play with heart, which says something to the character of the kids playing. However, Tarkington is a tough place to make a name for yourself as a coach in recent history, and maybe that will change in the future i am not a fortune teller, but I for one think that Hardin has made a great hire, and if they give coach Fortune a chance he will build up the program, not just football, but all sports.

[quote name="cat001" post="1224965" timestamp="1337699531"] [quote author=LP2012 link=topic=96976.msg1224866#msg1224866 date=1337656646] [quote author=Ex-Panther link=topic=96976.msg1224826#msg1224826 date=1337646383] [quote author=bjimbo link=topic=96976.msg1224806#msg1224806 date=1337638542] Hardin is definintly going in the right direction with this hire.  Fortune has never been afraid to step up to the challenge of taking over a "weaker" program.  I'm sure he is more motivated than ever to prove to people it aint the size of the dawg in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dawg. [/quote]wow lmao.. Fortune  = Horrible.. look at the results when he was at Tarkington.. only good win he had was in 2002 when they beat Coldspring 7-6 lmao.. yall people kill me.. Wonder why Josh Sadler Head Baseball Coach of C.E. King didn't get the job... hmmm sounds like some good ole boy, brother in law type of stuff. Wish Liberty County would change. [/quote] I would just like to point out that it is very hard to win in Tarkington. They always play hard, but the have no players. And I do not mean numbers, they just simply cannot play football there. Idk if anybody could win in Tarkington it is one of the worst teams in the area. [/quote] Wow, classy run down the hard work of young men and coaches alike. You migth be surprised in the coming years, Tarkington will have some players coming through the ranks that have beaten Liberty JV, who had a senior transfer from Dayton playing MLB and RB, and Tarkington 8A team beat Fitzwaters younger brother and the baby pathers twice last year. Most of the Tarkington JV was all fresham also. It takes TIME and someone that actually cares about getting a program turned around to get the job done and I believe they have that in Tarkington now Coach Carpenter has done a great job and built from the bottom up, I hope you eat your words one day. [/quote] No disrespect was meant to Tarkington it is a fact that currently they are not very good. They always play hard, and I have heard that they have a good younger group coming up? But it is hard to win when you do not have many good players it is a fact

[quote name="incognito123" post="1224884" timestamp="1337667696"] For some reason you guys keep lumping me in with the 55 bobcat dude.  I'm simply calling you LP guys out on your trash talk.  All I hear is about the big time prospects in Liberty but I see nothing coming out of LIberty but a pile of hot garbage.  Last year you guys were saying you were one of the best teams in the state and you got left home at playoff time.  Have ya'll forgotten that you play in one of the weakest 3A districts in the state?  It's Coldspring and the 6 dwarfs, and the LP jauggernaut couldn't get to the second week of November.  You guys need to win something before you continue pumping up all your D1 talent!! [/quote] It is a fact that ryan melton is going to texas state D1, Omar Tebo is rumored to have offers from memphis. There is a few D1 Athletes it is a fact. The others players are speculation, but a few others have been contacted by some D1 colleges.

[quote name="incognito123" post="1224834" timestamp="1337648702"] [quote author=H-D BOBCAT 55 link=topic=96976.msg1224831#msg1224831 date=1337647948] [quote author=LP6 link=topic=96976.msg1224707#msg1224707 date=1337621577] [quote author=Trocket link=topic=96976.msg1222532#msg1222532 date=1337121894] The worst thing any commnity can do is find a great AD/HC for their team and think it will all change over night. You have to watch for progress each year and then it will happen. [/quote] Tell your neighbors from Hull this. Great post, it takes time. Does hardin play h-d next year? [/quote]Don't worry about H-D!! And yes we do play Hardin in week zero. You need to worry about getting smoked by Huffman! Enjoy 3rd place in district.  ;D ;) [/quote] THIRD?  They couldn't even pull that off last year, and that was with all of those D1 players on their team! [/quote] What place did hd get in that 5 team district? If I'm not mistaken it was 4th. So don't trash liberty when your team didn't do any better

[quote name="Ex-Panther" post="1224826" timestamp="1337646383"] [quote author=bjimbo link=topic=96976.msg1224806#msg1224806 date=1337638542] Hardin is definintly going in the right direction with this hire.  Fortune has never been afraid to step up to the challenge of taking over a "weaker" program.  I'm sure he is more motivated than ever to prove to people it aint the size of the dawg in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dawg. [/quote]wow lmao.. Fortune  = Horrible.. look at the results when he was at Tarkington.. only good win he had was in 2002 when they beat Coldspring 7-6 lmao.. yall people kill me.. Wonder why Josh Sadler Head Baseball Coach of C.E. King didn't get the job... hmmm sounds like some good ole boy, brother in law type of stuff. Wish Liberty County would change. [/quote] I would just like to point out that it is very hard to win in Tarkington. They always play hard, but the have no players. And I do not mean numbers, they just simply cannot play football there. Idk if anybody could win in Tarkington it is one of the worst teams in the area.

Liberty is going to play wos for the championship I believe when I left both liberty and wos were up in the semi finals so I'm not 100 percent sure.

I have said liberty is a good team... Never great. In fact I have stated several times that they are decent. Which they are. They are a decent 3a team that can every now and then put together a solid team. I have never said or imagined that we could play with Westbrook and all of them. The potential for a great team is there, but we will not find out until pads come on

Actually I was referring to one of the kids that was named I know him and he is one of the goofiest kids I have ever met and it cracks me up to see his name put out there lol no disrespect intended. However, as to the win something try winning two district ball games then come talk to me until then you have no room to talk.

[quote name="89falcon" post="1223787" timestamp="1337362835"] [quote author=LP2012 link=topic=95361.msg1223709#msg1223709 date=1337355455] [quote author=I_Can_Do_It_ALL! link=topic=95361.msg1223657#msg1223657 date=1337350734] [quote author=LP2012 link=topic=95361.msg1223340#msg1223340 date=1337282376] [quote author=I_Can_Do_It_ALL! link=topic=95361.msg1223301#msg1223301 date=1337278897] It's funny to me and pretty much EVERYONE in the football world that the loss and 1 player and replacing him with this phenom of an athlete would cause y'all to lose the game to Cleveland much less blow a 20 point lead. If our stregnth was the inside run and he was an inside LBer, isn't his assignment pretty easy? Tackle Franks, done!! I am pretty sure that no schools in 22-3A have a 4A enrollment... If they did, they probably wouldn't be 3A, right? That LP6, what a funny guy!! [/quote] Are you mentally retarded? You are right the linbacker just runs down the middle every play... Obviously you have never played or coached football. Hell im wondering if you have ever even watched a game. It is not that simple to say "hey there is the runningback let me go tackle him". The only time you must have ever been on the field when you were playing was half time huh? [/quote] I am mentally unbalanced...NO DOUBT, I am responding to you! I think it's funny how you result to name calling when you are embarassed... Playing LBer vs. the inside zone is not difficult, but being tough is... Please, in you VAST football knowledge explain all the reads and checks the LB's at Liberty make vs. a one back gun offense. Teach me some football, you obviously know a lot in Liberty!!! [/quote] You are the idiot who said "Tackle Franks, done!!", is like saying to play qb all you need to know is throw the ball. You are a moron, once again stick to the tuba buddy because you are embarassing yourself and your town. [/quote] Resorting to name calling is what we would expect from Liberty. What is next, "I know you are but what am I"? Maybe :)

[quote name="I_Can_Do_It_ALL!" post="1223748" timestamp="1337358677"] Please, explain LBer to me... Better yet, send me your highlight tape and let me see a real man in action!! [/quote] Actually i played oline in highschool and college... So even though i have never played Lb. I do know quite a bit about the linebacker position being that i have played against them multiple times. Contrary to some peoples belief, they do not just run down the middle every play, so as i said before back to the band... Or as little as you know maybe the drill team.

[quote name="BOBCATPARENT85" post="1223663" timestamp="1337351005"] I am very proud the Bobcat team for next year.  They are already working hard. These guys are coming together as a team. There are several BIG boys on the OL this year.  Stanley, Hopkins, Ben, Taylor..The last time I looked 11 players were on the field not 1 or 3. [/quote] LOL

[quote name="I_Can_Do_It_ALL!" post="1223660" timestamp="1337350927"] [quote author=LP2012 link=topic=95361.msg1223346#msg1223346 date=1337282721] [quote author=I_Can_Do_It_ALL! link=topic=95361.msg1223286#msg1223286 date=1337277684] Wow!! Two sophomores scored touchdowns... That's awesome! Y'all have a bright future...  :) Wasn't last year suppose to be the year of the panther? He is young and talented, but like we said Cleveland's sophomore group (which is where he's from) is a talented group. [/quote] Im sorry but how many touchdowns did yall score on coldspring? Stay in the band buddy [/quote] Does it matter how many we scored against anyone....?? [b]We beat y'all head to head!! [/b] What funny is y'all had to score late in order to make our game look closer than it was, and you then turn around and say the Huffman game was close. Didn't you learn anything about talking smack last year...?? AND quit inflating your stats on chron.com.... That looks bad too!!  ;) [/quote] Yes Cleveland beat us head to head. However, you started to call out the players who scored more on Coldspring then your entire team.

[quote name="I_Can_Do_It_ALL!" post="1223657" timestamp="1337350734"] [quote author=LP2012 link=topic=95361.msg1223340#msg1223340 date=1337282376] [quote author=I_Can_Do_It_ALL! link=topic=95361.msg1223301#msg1223301 date=1337278897] It's funny to me and pretty much EVERYONE in the football world that the loss and 1 player and replacing him with this phenom of an athlete would cause y'all to lose the game to Cleveland much less blow a 20 point lead. If our stregnth was the inside run and he was an inside LBer, isn't his assignment pretty easy? Tackle Franks, done!! I am pretty sure that no schools in 22-3A have a 4A enrollment... If they did, they probably wouldn't be 3A, right? That LP6, what a funny guy!! [/quote] Are you mentally retarded? You are right the linbacker just runs down the middle every play... Obviously you have never played or coached football. Hell im wondering if you have ever even watched a game. It is not that simple to say "hey there is the runningback let me go tackle him". The only time you must have ever been on the field when you were playing was half time huh? [/quote] I am mentally unbalanced...NO DOUBT, I am responding to you! I think it's funny how you result to name calling when you are embarassed... Playing LBer vs. the inside zone is not difficult, but being tough is... Please, in you VAST football knowledge explain all the reads and checks the LB's at Liberty make vs. a one back gun offense. Teach me some football, you obviously know a lot in Liberty!!! [/quote] You are the idiot who said "Tackle Franks, done!!", is like saying to play qb all you need to know is throw the ball. You are a moron, once again stick to the tuba buddy because you are embarassing yourself and your town.

[quote name="GoCoogs61" post="1223399" timestamp="1337298827"] Nothing like a 10 page thread on repeat. I come to check it out to try and talk some football and the only thing I can find is the same two dudes from Huffman vs. the same guy in Liberty with 3 aliases. It's become this or the Dayton/BH trailer park vs. disgusting looking uniforms.  8) Fact of the matter is that Coldspring is top dog with a tough non district schedule. Huffman has established themselves as the clear #2. Cleveland is still young and will improve under a coach they should be ecstatic to still have. Liberty has no clear direction and won 7 games with the best win being against a pretty good private school. They lost some good OL and return some quality skill kids so best of luck to them, but leave it alone until you prove something. Getting your 2nd score vs. Huffman with 8-9 minutes left when the game is already out of hand did not put you in the game. Maybe it did for the 25-30 seconds that it stayed at a 14 point game until Huffman scored another. That being said, there is nothing left to defend Huffman fans. The whole district outlook is 100% crystal clear to everyone other than the one guy with 3 names. It should be exciting when Huffman finally opens up district play this year rolling in 4-0 vs. the 3-2 Panthers. Not sure if it's correct, but one of the kids told me Huffman has a bye going into that game and also selected them as their homecoming. Best case scenario is for Liberty to catch Huffman overconfident, but considering they have good coaching, two weeks to prepare, and they are at home, I think the advantage is heavily in Huffman's favor, But hey LP, at least I already gave you some excuses to put on the 10th page of May 2013's thread!  ;D [/quote] Me and lp6 are not the same person. I know him very well, but we are not the same person lol

[quote name="I_Can_Do_It_ALL!" post="1223286" timestamp="1337277684"] Wow!! Two sophomores scored touchdowns... That's awesome! Y'all have a bright future...  :) Wasn't last year suppose to be the year of the panther? He is young and talented, but like we said Cleveland's sophomore group (which is where he's from) is a talented group. [/quote] Im sorry but how many touchdowns did yall score on coldspring? Stay in the band buddy