PAMFAM10

 

From what I read of the History of the Civil War, the Confederate soldiers were to busy fighting and dying to commit the atrocities you're referring to.  I'm certainly not proud of what many slave owners did, or had done, but the average Confederate soldier was (and I know you've heard this before & will probably blow it off) a relatively poor (what would be described now as trash) man who answered the call for the South, or perhaps drafted into service.  He didnt own slaves, nor a pot to pee in or window to throw it out of.  Like the hundreds of thousands of boys sent to fight in Viet Nam - to stop the "domino effect" (commies will get VNam then Australia, then U.S.).  I was in the Army then.  Fortunately, had orders to go & they got cancelled.  Hell, we didn't know a commie from a Canadian.  If someone mentioned Stalin, we may have heard his name that's it.  Our country called and we got sent where  they wanted us to go.  And almost 60,000 died there, many boys I'd gone to school with.  And like the Civil War, most were the poorer young men, not the rich.

That's the same as happened to the Confederate soldier.  

One last thing Pam, I'm not sure but I'd guess slavery started in America just prior to 1700.  So slaves were subjected to unimaginable cruelties for a hundred & sixty years prior to the War.  That war lasted four years and as you know, hundreds of thousands died.  Very few slave owners, they had money.  So in that 165 years of slavery, that flag, that meant so much to so many men, innocent of the sins of slavery, was only around 4 years.  And those 250,000 men that died, many did in as terrible a way as any slave.  

I don't care about slave owners except to say I hope they rot in hell.  But for all those innocent young men who died, I care for them, just as you care for yours.  

Don't know what else I can tell ya.  We both have TO MUCH to morn, but I'm reaching to you hard as I can. I know your pain, I'm just trying in a sincere way, to explain mine.  

 

From what I read of the History of the Civil War, the Confederate soldiers were to busy fighting and dying to commit the atrocities you're referring to.  I'm certainly not proud of what many slave owners did, or had done, but the average Confederate soldier was (and I know you've heard this before & will probably blow it off) a relatively poor (what would be described now as trash) man who answered the call for the South, or perhaps drafted into service.  He didnt own slaves, nor a pot to pee in or window to throw it out of.  Like the hundreds of thousands of boys sent to fight in Viet Nam - to stop the "domino effect" (commies will get VNam then Australia, then U.S.).  I was in the Army then.  Fortunately, had orders to go & they got cancelled.  Hell, we didn't know a commie from a Canadian.  If someone mentioned Stalin, we may have heard his name that's it.  Our country called and we got sent where  they wanted us to go.  And almost 60,000 died there, many boys I'd gone to school with.  And like the Civil War, most were the poorer young men, not the rich.

That's the same as happened to the Confederate soldier.  

One last thing Pam, I'm not sure but I'd guess slavery started in America just prior to 1700.  So slaves were subjected to unimaginable cruelties for a hundred & sixty years prior to the War.  That war lasted four years and as you know, hundreds of thousands died.  Very few slave owners, they had money.  So in that 165 years of slavery, that flag, that meant so much to so many men, innocent of the sins of slavery, was only around 4 years.  And those 250,000 men that died, many did in as terrible a way as any slave.  

I don't care about slave owners except to say I hope they rot in hell.  But for all those innocent young men who died, I care for them, just as you care for yours.  

Don't know what else I can tell ya.  We both have TO MUCH to morn, but I'm reaching to you hard as I can. I know your pain, I'm just trying in a sincere way, to explain mine.  

 

 

Hippy I said plenty of times I can care less who hangs the flag who sell the flag etc. Long as it there property a mesuem etc. Away from public buildings. I didnt no the kids and men who fought for the Confederacy but I do no they fought on the wrong side and shouldnt be praised as heros. My own personal feeling is let's move forward no flags but the state and US. Flag. What was the south tradition in the 1800-1960s shouldn't be the south tradition today.

 

 

 

​he'd send his goons so you are 100% correct, im pretty sure he has plenty in the U.S. if he really wanted to "off" Trump. Those cartels/drug lords dont play well with others, well, when I see massive graves being found in Mexico with extreme amounts of people in em and almost ten ppl hung from a bridge down there just for example I think its safe to say they dont play well with others. 

I truly believe we are getting there.  My kids and most of their friends (black and white) are truly color blind.  I don't know that racism will ever be truly eradicated, but with the next generation, I think we will be even closer. 

​vice versa with El Chapo, he's a billionaire as well. 

​vice versa with El Chapo, he's a billionaire as well. 

​So, the founders of our country were not Rebels?

 

That's the way it should be in a museum or or battleground area not flow on public buildings. I doubt the nazi flag is flown at government buildings.  So yes they do have a different way of remembering.

The Iwo Jima flag was raised during battle as a courageous gesture for victory. The Sadaam Insane statue and flag were destroyed during wartime by their own people. The Confederate flag was never trod upon for centuries (until now) because it represented a difference of opinion in this great country. Difference of opinion is what we are having now. You cannot see a difference? Then you are not American.

One of the most heinous memorials is the Auschwitz death camp. It stands as a reminder to what it means to murder 6,000,000 people.....yet, there it is. It is still visited by survivors and, as far as I know, has never been put to a vote to be removed. I guess the Germans and Jews have a different way of remembering.

​It amazes me that it is 2015 and  everyone continues to make reference to the Confederate Battle Flag being hung from the Capital Building.  That flag was removed from the Capital building in 2000 (15 YEARS ago)......it was moved to a WAR MEMORIAL on the same property. I imagine it was a slap in the face to those who's ancestors fought for States Rights..... 

 

​You should if its on govt. property.

​Wow winning it!  Well I have a feeling the Jags will go 2-0 against 21-6A this year...

​You should if its on govt. property.

Like I said and another thread. Its all about how you say things. Latinos across the board has been furious about his comments bottom line thats not how you get votes. This is just as bad as Romney 47% remark. Like I said and a lot on the right agree trump is bad news for GOP. If Republicans where smart all candidates should come out and say trump do not speak for the party.

​PAM, you do realize that Trump is talking about ILLEGALS flooding our southern borders, don't you, and not law abiding ones?  He never once said anything about the ones that follow the laws of our country.  So -- are you saying that the GOP loses the Hispanic vote because of what Trump's saying because ALL Hispanics are OK with breaking the law?  Some here would call that a racist statement! 

​PAM, you do realize that Trump is talking about ILLEGALS flooding our southern borders, don't you, and not law abiding ones?  He never once said anything about the ones that follow the laws of our country.  So -- are you saying that the GOP loses the Hispanic vote because of what Trump's saying because ALL Hispanics are OK with breaking the law?  Some here would call that a racist statement

Please list the positives for Hillary on the economy, foreign affairs, jobs....etc. Always lurking and waiting to get your jab in on the Republicans is not a platform. Please enlighten us on what makes Hillary such a great leader and why she would make a great president.

You don't think that is the truth.

I don't see anyone campaigning to remove his show from TV land.....good ole boys are bad.......druging girls and raping them.....apparently ok to TV land

what a screwed up world we are living in

I hope not.  Four more years of a libtard Dem in office, and we are sunk.  But there are enough uninformed voters to get her there.