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my buddy who lives in austin calls it "performative outrage." seems like a pretty perfect term for it.

she also wasn't going through the window at that time. we can go back and forth about what ifs and why nots. still won't change my opinion that it was an easily justified, although decidedly ugly shooting.

that actually could have something to do with why they didn't fire. the officer who fired was able to do so at an angle where he had a wall as a backdrop behind his target. If the officers from behind the mob had fired they would've been sending bullets into the room that the other officers were trying to protect.

that's wild.

goes back to the old "awful but lawful" situation. can an officer who's shot someone verbalize an adequate reason for doing so? This officer had plenty of valid reasons to articulate. you can feel it was an overreaction, heck, everyone can. I don't want you to get the impression that I saw the shooting and cheered it on or something. I didn't like the Babbitt shooting, I've just always felt it was pretty easy to justify. The officer can say "I don't know why the officers on the other side of the door didn't act, but I was inside the chamber with my gun drawn protecting evacuating members of congress behind a barricaded door. an angry mob of more than a dozen people were using unknown weapons/items to break through the door and barricade we'd erected to protect our politicians. Despite several clear, lawful commands, the mob eventually broke through a window and attempted to breach the room, despite seeing several officers with firearms on the other side. With the reports of gunshots and officers being attacked I'd been receiving I felt that both myself and the civilians I was protecting were in immediate danger. I fired one shot and the entire mob stopped attempting to breach the room." You may second guess his explanation, but it was enough to keep charges from being filed, and no officer would be charged in an identical situation anywhere (unless it was strictly political, as we may end up seeing in Minnesota).

Stop there about every second time I go to the deer lease. the boys have gotten spoiled from me showing up with brisket and ribs.

I can't speak to their frame of mind or decision making. I'm also not saying Babbitt deserved to be shot. But an angry mob was breaking through a barricaded door into a chamber where members of congress were being evacuated from. They did this despite seeing officers with guns drawn on the other side. The totality of the circumstances, and especially with police receiving reports of gunfire, it was justified.

Air marshals, mistaken for ICE agents, chased out of LA County restaurant

If he had a second gun Trump would’ve jumped all over it, and the border patrol as well. Anything to make this ugly event look a little better for him. They put out a pic of his gun almost immediately. If there had been two you better believe they would’ve let us know

This doesn't change my opinion of his shooting, but you can't say he wasn't warned... Alex Pretti broke rib in confrontation with federal agents a week before death, sources say

How about the abridged TVC special version? 😉

I know this wasn't directed at me, but: Babbitt: the best "good shoot" of the three. Part of an angry mob using clubs, chairs, motorcycle helmets, etc. to breach a barricaded room where capital police (who the mob could see) waited with drawn guns shouting lawful orders while trying to protect members of congress. Babbitt ignored those orders and was the first one through the window. By that point officers had no obligation to wait and see what the mob would do when they made it inside. Good: Also a clearcut "good shoot". I don't believe for a second she intended to hit an officer, and it can be argued to some degree that the cop put himself in a bad position by walking in front of her car (i mostly disagree with this argument). But she fled from officers trying to detain her, and there's clear video of her hitting the officer with her car before he shot her, and clear video of her gunning the engine when it happened. Pretti: This is an ugly, ugly shooting. He appeared to be attempting to help a woman, was quite possibly only struggling because he'd been pepper sprayed and then had about 8 guys kicking, pistol whipping and hitting him, and then was shot because a gun he didn't brandish was accidentally discharged by an officer pulling it out of his holster. It's hard to defend the actions of the BP agents on this one. That said, due to the totality of circumstances I do think the officer who shot will be able to make a pretty decent argument that this was a justified shoot. It will likely end up as "lawful but awful", but I could see some officers charged in this one, and possibly some of those charges even sticking.

How have you never seen the video? This video is worth a watch. This is a fairly conservative lawyer who breaks down shootings and other political and criminal things. If you don’t want to spend 20 minutes watching the whole thing, I’d start around the 3:30 min mark and watch until about the 8:00 min mark. It shows the shooting to some degree. It definitely shows the mob trying to break down the barricaded door and the cops with guns already out on the other side. If you really want a clear look of her climbing through the window and falling back out of it, you can find it online.

I don’t think she was trying to avoid him, I think she didn’t see him. She was more than likely concentrating on the officer yelling orders at her through her open window and trying to open her door. He wasn’t in front of her car at that time, he was walking in from the right as the other officer was a foot away from her on the left yelling. She pulled out and away from the closer officer, directly at the officer who shot her. She hit the officer, clearly, and his first shot went through the front of her window. The reaction time it takes the brain to quit shooting was well within the timeframe of his 3 shots. I’d be upset about two shots into the window if her continuing to turn the car hadn’t changed what was in front of him, if that makes sense. In the space of about a second he went from shooting straight into the windshield to shooting through the driver’s side window of a rapidly rotating car without really changing the angle he was shooting much (and a split second after said car had hit him).

Not sure if that’s sarcasm or not. Still dodging my question.