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In response to the first part of this: I have no issue with you on this topic, and don’t feel you’ve disrespected Davis. There are some that have, but none of that is directed at you. as to the end of your post: Davis is in a tough spot. He inherited a great small school program, and it’s still a great small school program. He routinely wins the same amount of games that were won before he got there, wins district titles, wins tourneys, etc. the difference now is that Silsbee has exploded into a monster over the last decade, and when you dodge them you get yates or whatever other houston school had a good recruiting year that season. Sutherland did a phenomenal job at HJ, but he never faced AAU teams in the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs, and he had a comparable amount of talent to Silsbee. So he was in or sniffing at the regional finals pretty much every year. Mitchell has certainly improved lumberton. He had a really solid group of players for a few years, and they had some minor success over the course of three seasons that coincided with dropping down to 4A and having McClure, but that success was a giant leap over anything lumberton had ever accomplished. Other than that he’s had several dismal seasons in 5A and a couple of meh seasons in 4A. Two years ago certain people were ready to crown him the new elite coach in the area. Now we’re looking at a second successive mediocre season. Is it better than when he came? Absolutely. But at some point the success has to be sustained. The last season and a half, post-McClure, appears to be a step backwards. Can he right the ship? That will be the test that shows just how good he is or isn’t.

Embarrassing was that 123-62 loss last year, in the game where they didn’t employ the “hide in the corner/human shield” strategy. They still lost the human shield game by 1 more point than the “embarrassment” that HJ experienced this year when actually playing basketball against them, though. For what it’s worth.

Silsbee is rolling right now. Unless something like the video above occurs, or lumberton can find another way to take the air out of the ball tonight, I’m thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of 95-50.

Will the campfire offense make an appearance again tonight?

Oh look, another random account has sprung up to criticize Davis and defend Mitchell. That’s about ten of them now. Glad you could join us (again). Not sure Davis has ever had a D1 player in his time at HJ. Fogo has had 3 at once, including a top-10 player in the nation. Fogo is an excellent coach, but Davis hasn’t had near the comparative talent that Fogo has, and Fogo hasn’t had to play teams full of D1 talent in the 2nd or 3rd round every year. Running into Houston teams or Silsbee in the playoffs every year with a good small school type team isn’t really underperforming. These last two years without their best player going into the playoffs have been the exception, rather than the rule. One thing I’ll confidently say: Mitchell wouldn’t have done any more at HJ than Davis has, regardless of what he (you) thinks. Of course, if you can’t consistently make the playoffs, and then can’t consistently win a couple of games when you do get there, you usually don’t have to worry about playing the AAU all-star teams that have basically ended 4A small school basketball for everyone not named Silsbee over the last ten years or so

It is. And I don’t deny that he’s improved that program. I’ve just taken some exception to some of the stuff that’s happened on this site surrounding him, and involving him and his people, and I do maintain the difference he’s made, while undeniable, has also been exaggerated at times on here.

Way down compared to what they were the years prior and the years since. How about "very beatable for HJ" for the first and only time over about a decade's span? They definitely overachieved to make it that far. It was as impressive a run, and as impressive of a coaching job that Siegler has done over there IMO.

It wasn't just the fact that BC beat them. It was multiple factors. One was blowing the big lead, another was that was the HJ team that had the best shot over the past several years to make it to state. Huffman ended up going that year, and HJ had beaten them by a lot once and lost by a point another time. Silsbee was way down, Yates was way down, and HJ had their best team in awhile. BC had a great win against them, and should've been proud. But HJ played like doodoo and their best player was (deservedly) suspended. I would be willing to bet that Davis would say it was his worst playoff loss as well.

Lumberton lost to WOS three times, one was close. HJ lost their best player at the end of the season, and it showed. Kinda like the way that Lumberton lost McClure and went from district champs to completely missing the playoffs the next year, and possibly again this year.

indeed. he coached me. I have a lot of respect for him. when the accounts that were "not Mitchell", and then others that we could prove were family members and friends got on here and attacked Davis and greatly overinflated Mitchell regularly in the "who's the best coach in the area" threads, it bothered me. That's why I'm happy to get on here and throw around pertinent stats and records from time to time.

Without Sears both times, probably. The WOS game for sure, but maybe he wins the BC game. The Bridge City loss is the worst of Davis' career IMO. But that WOS team was no joke. They had a 3-point loss to silsbee, and a 4-point loss to Yates last season.

No rabbit hole here, I 1000% agree with you on this statement.

HJ was without it's best player in both of those games. They had absolutely no business losing to BC, but played poorly and BC took advantage and made a fantastic comeback. The WOS game was a matchup nightmare, and once they lost Sears I figured they'd lose it. HJ may not be what they once were, but that has everything to do with all of the Houston and Dallas teams somehow being 4A, and Silsbee having an otherworldly 10 years or so worth of players. HJ still wins 25+ games every year, and would still be making runs in the playoffs if 4A hadn't turned into a big city/small enrollment recruitment division.

One of the programs I'm affiliated with (HJ) has absolutely wiped Lumberton over the past ten years, and Davis is one of the coaches that the accounts associated with Mitchell on here have consistently attacked. Lumberton is close to 0-10 against HJ during that span, unless there's a result that isn't online for me to find. The other school is HF, which is one of those bad lower level teams that he used to schedule 8-9 years ago for an easy win when they were 5A, but is now clearly a much better squad that Lumberton, has been for the last couple of years, and should be for the foreseeable future. My group comment came because you've come on defending him, and made some claims about his coaching that seemed a bit over the top to me, but mostly because you're able to just contact him right up and get his record from him. So it seems you're buddies with him to some degree. But I can respect the fact that you respect his coaching style and ability. I was just wary because there's a long history of inactive accounts on this site becoming active after years of inactivity and only posting in threads about either how good of a coach Mitchell is or defending him when anyone says anything negative about him, while claiming they don't have any affiliation to him. During these times new accounts are also created that do the same thing. Multiple coaches have come to us with beliefs or circumstantial proof that some of these accounts and posts are Mitchell himself. Others have come back to family members. It's been kind of a mess, but it makes for an active basketball board anytime the topic arises.

Look, i'm not saying he's a bad coach, and I've repeated that over and over. But he's not elite, and there's literally nothing to indicate he is. If people would come on here and say that he's done a good job making lumberton semi-relevant, had a couple of solid seasons, one good season, and a couple of big wins, I would never have anything to say. But there's been a string of fake accounts, family, family friends, and buddies (this is apparently your group) of his that get on here and mention him in the same breath as Sigler, Green, Foster, Boutte, Sutherland, etc. and it's laughable at this point. Those accounts have at the same time denigrated other respected coaches in the area in an effort to make him look better. This is why I will always come on here and argue, post stats, W/L records, etc when people try to claim he's elite, and will come on and ask questions when things aren't going well and those fake accounts and buddies are silent. Those folks always have an excuse for the poor seasons, and lay all credit for the one truly good season and decent 3-year run out of ten seasons at his feet. It doesn't jive.

I'm not arguing with these stats: in 9+ years at lumberton he has 117 wins, and SIXTY-FOUR of them have come against lower division teams, and these aren't state-level lower teams. Their district record in those 9 years is 40-71. When you're talking about padding wins, you can look at the stat I listed above. over half of their wins over ten years are against lower competition, and not good teams, either. They have nearly 40 losses to lower level teams during that time as well. Out of 250ish games, over 95 have come against lower classifications, and 110 have been district games. Not too many games on the schedule each year against teams from the same or higher classifications. There's a far cry from playing a single lower level tournament once in awhile as nederland has done and doing at least 2 a year every single year, plus 4-5 other non-tournament games a season vs lower classifications thrown in. While there was a time (especially when they were 5A) that Lumberton needed to do this to gain wins, if they're in year ten with an elite coach, have dropped down to 4A, and recently made the playoffs 3 years in a row, it seems like they should be beating better programs and scheduling a tougher schedule?

there are plenty of schools who don't use it properly, but plenty who do. my only point in my reply to him is that, as someone who provides scores for maxpreps, I know without dispute that Lumberton is a school that reports all wins but relies on the other school to report their losses. So when he stated that using maxpreps is not a fair way to attain Lumberton's record over 10 years I agree, but that their record is without a doubt worse than what I provided.

correct. a lot of lumberton's losses don't get reported on there. tournament games that have to be added by an admin tend to not get added when they're losses. when a team plays a tourney, a team admin (coach) or MP admin has to add games to the schedule. In the most recent tourney Lumberton played, Mitchell reported their win over goodrich and added the game vs apple springs to the schedule which another lumbertoner reported the score to, but didn't add either the woodville or jasper game onto their schedule, both of which they lost. The woodville coach reported their win over Lumberton, but the jasper coach did not, so Lumberton's record is currently incorrect. as a scorekeeper who reports local basketball and football scores for maxpreps, I've scored 3 lumberton basketball losses this year that weren't reported. Someone from Lumberton has managed to report every win, though. But i'm just going by what's in front of me. I do agree with some of your other points, and like I said, he deserves some credit for what he's done. But not as much as he's given himself. As for having the talent to beat those 5A teams, I feel like an elite coach would find a way to do better than 3-44 (out of games reported) over 4 seasons. Central, PAM, Nederland and Ozen were obviously tough, but there were plenty of opportunity to beat bad and average teams during those 4 years in district. Lee, GCM, Vidor, PNG, twice a season: every one of those games should've been winnable. He shouldn't have won them all, but 3 in 4 years when you're getting 8 district games a year with beatable teams is pretty bad.

I've mentioned before about the fact that there's a lot pointing to him coming on this site with multiple accounts talking crap about coaches way more accomplished than himself, while making himself out to be one of the elite coaches in the area. One of those coaches is a man i played for and have much respect for, so that's part of it. That said, I'm fully willing to give him some credit for improving Lumberton in his time there. But is it really a testament to his ability as a coach that he took them to the playoffs in 2019 for the first time in 20 years? What about the fact that he had the best player in school history, an elite coach in his first and only year as his assistant, and that they'd dropped down to 4A after he'd managed to coach them to 3 total district wins in the previous 4 years in 5A? A 117-131 record, with more than half of those wins coming against 3A/below competition, and a 40-71 record in district over ten years just doesn't scream "Elite" to me, despite what some might say.

IMO it's premature to fire someone over allegations that were almost immediately retracted. But I don't have access to the evidence, and I'm sure the powers that be at UT are able to get it. I expect the charges to be dropped fairly soon. How can you take someone to trial when the alleged victim is saying "I lied about him choking me, and told the police as much that night before they even arrested him. All of my other minor injuries were a result of him defending himself against me." That said, I never expected him to survive this in today's ultrawoke climate. I'll never support a wife beater, but I'll also never support an atmosphere where the mere allegation that somebody did something leads to the immediate cancellation of their entire life.

"The suspect's phone arrived near the scene of the crime at 2:47 a.m. local time, at which point, the phone stopped working, the affidavit states. It was turned back on at 4:48 a.m. and cellular resources showed the phone was on the highway driving away from the scene shortly after. At 9:00 a.m., police said the phone left the suspect's home and arrived at the crime scene at 9:21 a.m. It had left the scene by 9:32 a.m., showing that the suspect likely returned hours later."

Interesting tidbit of info... investigators are stating that they have his phone returning to the scene at 9:21 am, several hours after the murders, but before 911 was called. Perhaps he was returning to look for some evidence he'd left? You'd think he'd be smart enough to not take his cell phone with him considering his educational background.

Admittedly, I selfishly wanted this to work out as a UT basketball fan. They were set to become a powerhouse for a long time under him. That said, if he's guilty, he deserves this. But from what I've heard, she's crazy, and on top of that she almost immediately retracted most of her claims, some of them even before he was arrested to begin with. Without being privy to the evidence, who knows. I've "heard" the pictures are damning, but if it's self-defense, it's self-defense. If someone tries to rob me when i have the kids in the car, the pictures of them when I'm done are going to look pretty damning without context as well.

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