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Lee wins 69-52

Central Heights defeats Hemphill 81-35

KP wins 59-34

New Caney wins 64-60

Baytown Sterling at PA Memorial (-6) Channelview at North Shore (-3) (-7) Deer Park at Beaumont West Brook Barbers Hill at Humble (-8) (-6) New Caney at Crosby GCM at Baytown Lee (-11) Lumberton at PN-G (-18) Nederland at Beaumont Central (-12) Vidor at Beaumont Ozen (-55) Huntington at Lufkin Hudson (-17) Jasper at Diboll (-14) Cleveland at Liberty (-6) (-30) Huffman at Splendora Tarkington at Shepherd (-14) Bridge City at Silsbee (-42) Hamshire-Fannett at Hardin-Jefferson (-56) Orangefield at WO-S (-30) Woodville at Pollock Central (-19) Anahuac at Buna (-20) Deweyville at Warren (-22) (-49) East Chambers at Kirbyville Hardin at Kountze (-41) (-24) San Augustine at Broaddus PA Hope at Evadale (-74) (-7) Sabine Pass at West Hardin

I think Silsbee would beat big sandy, but big Sandy COULD beat Silsbee. It would not be a foregone conclusion. I kinda wonder what big Sandy would do in 3A. I would still like their chances to win state.

I'm thinking maybe in the parking lot of Jack's Pack-it

Cleveland is having a terrible year, but they've been very, very good for the last decade. HJ had their number in the playoffs, but they were all close games. They were routinely ranked very highly during that time. I expect them to get back to quality basketball pretty quickly, but we'll see. Huffman is better than LCM as well, IMO

They looked pretty good when I saw them. Maybe not fundamentally, But way too much length and athleticism for a legit 4a school to compete with. And I'm glad you're with me on them being required to compete in higher classifications. It just doesn't sit right with me. It would be like HJ or Silsbee creating multiple high schools and fielding ridiculous 1A and 2A schools

HJ won't have Silsbee, but Shepherd, Huffman, Cleveland, Tarkington, and Liberty will be a much tougher schedule than HF, BC, OF, WOS, and LCM.

HJ definitely benefits more than Silsbee. I can't imagine Cleveland not getting back to their quality teams pretty soon, and based on playoff history I could see that being as big of a rivalry as Silsbee, and the rest of the district as a whole is better than the one they're leaving, apart from Silsbee. I'll miss that rivalry, but having at least decent opponents every district game will benefit HJ more than playing Silsbee twice and having a bunch of 20-40 point blowouts in pretty much the rest of their district games. That being said, it won't matter much once HJ gets to whichever Houston AAU team they end up playing in the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs every year. Silsbee loses the one team they have to get up for in district and adds a team that won't win a game against the teams that silsbee has been beating by 60. That is not a good thing for the Tigers

Ranked #2 and made it to the state final game. Not sure if "got hot in the playoffs" is accurate there. And by college kids I mean good enough to play in college. They just ran into a team who was just as unfairly in 4A with even better players

yup. and keep in mind that in houston isd you have 47000 high school aged kids. in HJ its' more like 650.. so when you divide it in half and take the girls out, Houston has approx 23,500 boys in it's district to fill the teams of 40 high schools, HJ has approx 325 boys to fill one team. HJ is lucky to get a college quality player or two every couple of years (generally juco, D2, or D3). Houston has hundreds of them. So when kids in houston can team up with their AAU buddies and field 4A teams full of D1 and D2 talent, despite being a town of over 2,000,000 people, it's pretty frustrating when you're a fan of a really good small school team such as Hardin-Jefferson (Sour Lake, population 1800) or Silsbee (population 6,700). HJ made a really nice run last season, pulling a last second upset over a really good (and legit small 4A school) Navasota team, only to lose to Sterling and their team full of college kids, and then Sterling beat Silsbee two games later to go to state. I thought that was crap then, and i still do now. The fact that a whole lot more teams like that just dropped in is crap as well. I'd love to see classifications be factored using school AND city size to keep stuff like this from happening.

District 23 Cleveland Cleveland Tarkington Huffman Hargrave Liberty Shepherd Sour Lake Hardin-Jefferson

I think of 4A and lower as small town ball. I don't like seeing these schools drop down, especially considering that the kids move wherever they want to play sports in those towns. I'm honestly not sure why there are public schools being run with less than 1200 students in them when the city they are in has millions of people. seems like a waste of taxpayer money to me.

I have a soccer game or I'd go

I'm lurking.

yup. i think i'm 12-12 right now waiting on one score

Lee wins 72-49

sweet! got that pickem right!

warren 56 hardin 50

81-41 per HI

did AAW seriously just nail the spread on a 59-point blowout?

when i was at D3 ETBU, a bunch of us soccer guys played intramural basketball. One of the intramural teams we played was full of guys who'd failed off the basketball team, guys who'd used up all their eligibility, and guys that had been kicked off for disciplinary reasons. At the half we were down 6, and ended up losing by less than 20. Bear in mind that not a guy on our team was over 6 foot tall, and they started 3 guys 6'3'' or taller, plus an all-conference point guard. Many of these guys had been multi-year starters for the ETBU basketball program. While i was there ETBU was competitive in their conference. So these guys had all played (in various capacities) for a college team in the top quarter of the conference, and they came out and were up 51-45 at the half to a team full of short little soccer players. My point being that Bullock and Williams would've been all-conference type players for those etbu squads, and i don't believe that the conference has improved that much since i've been there. I would say that pretty much any kid with above average height or above average skill can find SOMEWHERE to play basketball if they want. I think the reason you don't see a lot of smaller schools sending a lot of players off of one team to play in college is that most of those kids don't care enough about basketball to go play for bad programs far away from home.

West Brook at Channelview (-10) (-5) La Porte at Baytown Sterling (-6) PA Memorial at Deer Park (-15) Crosby at Dayton Humble at CE King (-7) (-7) Kingwood Park at New Caney (-42) Beaumont Central at Lumberton (-9) Beaumont Ozen at Nederland (-7) PN-G at GCM Vidor at Baytown Lee (-20) (-5) Diboll at Lufkin Hudson (-8) Jasper at Huntington (-18) Coldspring at Cleveland (This one looks and feels funny) Liberty at Huffman (-8) (-47) Hardin-Jefferson at Orangefield LC-M at Bridge City (-5) (-59) Silsbee at Hamshire-Fannett Newton at Woodville (-13) Buna at East Chambers (-9) (-38) Kountze at Anahuac (-19) Warren at Hardin West Sabine at San Augustine (-19) (-17) Colmesneil at PA Hope (-49) Big Sandy at Sabine Pass St. Thomas at Beaumont Kelly (-13)