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Oh, one more thing that shouldn't be overlooked - the diversity theory works both ways. In my mind, it is just as important for the minority group. They too might have preconceptions of the majority group which can be debunked through the relationships fostered. Harmony works both ways. And whether in the university setting or the workforce, education goes a long way to ending the ignorance with which one was raised, regardless of what color they may be.

Trojans - I agree with your reverse situation switching the races in the example given. In many instances, socioeconomic considerations are very relevant, regardless of race. Bamakid - assuming the job is one requiring a degree, and assuming the exact facts you state, I wouldn't quibble with your argument. However, I think diversity even in the workforce is important and is certainly a worthy consideration in tiebreaking situations. And many of you are too quick to dismiss biggirl's arguments IMO. If you don't believe there is still a significant portion of the population, especially below the Mason-Dixon Line, that wouldn't hire a person of color vs a white person unless forced - well, you are either naive or dishonest. With each generation, I believe we are coming closer to eradicating racism. But it still is very much alive. I see it weekly, often in business dealings with people who own or hold high positions in the corporate world. It is a comment here, or an action there...it does still exist. I think we all hope there will come a day when race won't matter in these discussions. But sadly, I doubt it will be in my lifetime. However, I do take solace in the significant progress made from my parent's generation to mine. And I firmly believe affirmative action and similar programs played a huge part in the progress we've made.

I might agree with you given everything is equal. But let's use a university setting as an example. You have a black kid who is the same class ranking and gpa as a white kid. Black kid graduated from an inner city school with historically poor academics. White kid graduated from Monsignor Kelly. White kid has higher SATs. Both are bright but the white kid obviously had the fortune of being born into a family with the finances to ensure he had a top education. Black kid has done as well as he could with the hand he was dealt. Do you have a problem with the admissions picking African American student over the white student?

The part of this process that people miss is the diversity goal. In my opinion, and experience, diversity benefits us all. It destroys harmful stereotypes that have long existed and shows members of all races that our brothers and sisters of other races and backgrounds are pretty much just like us. They have similar hopes and dreams. They are vested in our children's futures. Segregation in most forms fosters ignorance and animosity among people who shouldn't have any.

They actually won in '69 and '70. Back then, one of the two major polls (ap or upi) prior to the bowl games.

Take it easy on Smitty. He's a low comprehension reader.

At least he was truthful about not reading the links. If even Nash isn't reading the barrage of links Smitty inundates this board with, who is? That explains why the majority of his threads don't even get a comment.

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  I do too.  Funny but true.

Very interesting. Good example of how "labels" can be tricky. (Except for "teabaggers" of course; that one is air tight and very fitting ;) )

Very good analysis there. Interesting side note: I am guessing you also looked at the 5th circuit Hopwood decision? That was a case that involved my class at UT Law. A few students who weren't admitted to my class, sued UT in what was essentially a "reverse discrimination" case. A few more rejected students later joined. I learned more than I ever wanted to know because my Civ Pro professor was one of the lead attorneys defending the University, Sam Issacharoff (now at NYU). He talked about the case incessantly for the entire year. Without getting to deep into the case, here is what happened there: The legendary Judge Sam Sparks ruled in The University's favor after a bench trial, and the case went to the 5th Circuit Coury of Appeals. Essentially, the 5th Circuit found Bakke to be unconstitutional and struck down UT's policy. The Supreme Court denied cert (refused to hear the case) and the ruling stood basically for 7 years (until the Gratz and Grutter decisions you discussed came down out of the Univ of Michigan).

Actually that's exactly how it works. I have known more than one white person that got a full ride to a historically black college on a "minority basis." One of the goals in institutions of higher learning is diversity and that cuts both ways.

  I don't think the actual quote was intended to replace the "founding fathers," or any subsequent president with a Muslim.  In fact, the "founding of this country" wasn't mentioned.  But to give an example, wouldn't Muhammad Ali be someone who made a "significant contribution" to the "fabric of our country?"  He was probably the greatest athlete of his era and was arguably the most famous person in the world during the height of his career.  And an argument could be made that his stance on the Vietnam War "strengthened the core of our democracy."  I know you ultra-conservatives would never concede that but I would argue that standing up for something you believe in regardless of the costs is at the heart of democracy.  And, in the end, many would argue he was entirely correct about that conflict.

That part is not so much outdated. If a woman is in the workforce and accumulating assets, the man is entitled to half her assets too. Community property is much better than what some states have. The area that is way outdated IMO is child support. It is pretty much locked in at a certain percentage and judges refuse to look at anything else. Here's the rub: A father who has visitation with his child(ren) pursuant to the standard possession order pays 20 percent of his net income for 1 child, 25 percent for 2, 30 percent for 3, etc (assuming all kids are with the same mom). When these percentages were set, the standard visitation was about 20 percent of the year. Now, if a father maximizes his times with his kiddos, it is approximately 40 percent of the year. This is great for co-parenting and allows fathers to see their kids more. However, the child support percentages never changed. So a dad has his kids twice as much (and obviously is spending more money on them when they are in his care) and is still paying the same amount of child support. This is why I believe when both parents are good parents, the equal custody arrangement tragichippy has is optimal. It's 3 to 4 days a month more for dad than the extended SPO and then child support is figured by computing both people's child support and the higher earner paying the difference. My 2 cents...

Great example of the danger (and ultimately fallacy) of stereotypes. And this makes me think about whether they can be "flagrantly liberal" and anti-women's rights. I need to chew on that one...

The point is that, by and large, they are not creating discussions. It is just thread after thread of some articles being cut and pasted which popped up after a "I hate Obama" Google search. The result is a watered-down board. Even on Fox, the Smitty show would have been canceled long ago...

Aggy obsession. Always been that way. Even in their new conference, with all those new rivalries (in aggy's eyes anyway), they still can't help stalking big brother!

  You severely underestimate the importance of parents in the recruiting process.  Mack Brown wasn't the king of recruiting due to his ability to relate to the kids.  He was the king because of his ability to win over the parents.  The better question is how the parents will view this recent news.

Ummm ok. Might want to consider the "watered down the board so your threads don't get read" option. Just sayin...

Israel is our only true ally in the Middle East, period.  I cannot have empathy for countries whose identities are based on their hatred for our country and what we believe in.  Their very existence seems to be rooted in hatred - whether it be for America or Jews (and almost always both).  Not to mention their abhorrent treatment of women. 

    Couldn't agree more.  Precisely the reason I rarely read this board anymore.  That and it is diluted with 30 cut and paste threads every time I visit...

On the first page of this forum. Someone needs a friend 😂

Correct. Nash, you still read ozenfinest's posts? (At least I think it was him. If memory serves incorrectly, my apologies in advance.)

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50s, 60s and 70s? I only have to remember the last decade - I was in Pasadena for the NC win against USC and the NC game against Alabama. I can't imagine having to go back to the 30s to remember that kind of success. Then again, not even my father was alive for aggy's last title 😂