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Angry? Not even close.. I actually couldn't care less nor do I have a dog in the fight. I just don't really like reexplaining simple concepts. The team will overcome the main issue at hand (a losing culture) with a consistent head coach that is allowed to implement his program without parent interference. That.. is the real trick.

I have no idea.. and yes, I would think even an average to above average coach could figure out what system would suit whoever he has in the program.

NONE.. but that's the point. The offense that they end up running will likely be the best one suited for their players. According to the coached hired to do the task. So, making comments like.."well..a great coach could blah blah blah spread.." WRONG! It takes a specific type of skill to pull off an offensive scheme such as spreading a defense out across the field and using speed to gain yards... unless the talent is just so overwhelming to the other team that it doesn't matter. Case in point: Newton and WOS could undoubtedly run whatever offense they wanted to and still dominate their respective districts and even a few rounds deep. Lumberton can not. I can already see this turning into a nightmare situation for the next coach. Oh well.. seems to be the norm with teams that don't win consistently.

A smart quarterback with the ability to hit a target.. and fairly fast, good route running backs and receivers that can catch. The best spread coach in the world can't beat Alabama with a group of junior high girls.

Even a good spread coach needs at least a portion of a certain type of clientele.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for Coach Babin. Based on what I’ve seen and where he’s been.. he’s definitely a quality coach. But make no mistake, had they not dropped there would have been NO success in football. Keep that in mind. I’m not certain that they could successfully implement a spread style offense where they are now. They go back up to 5A it’s gonna be an immediate struggle. Comments like the one you just made: “A great coach could win at Lumberton using the spread”.. is the reason that the school struggles with consistency in the coaching department. I feel sorry for whoever gets the job knowing that there are fans with unrealistic expectations.

I would like to think that coaches use whatever system fits the talent or lack of... of the kids they have. I know that a coach is considered a bad coach when they don't win but none of them are trying to lose on purpose...even the bad ones. It's very possible that the kids currently at Lumberton just don't have the personnel to spread it out and sling it around. I understand that's what all of the sideline coaches want their hometown teams to do but let's be real. Everyone wants to go no back with some run/pass option but come on.. Why risk a 70-0 loss due to 3 incompletions and a punt every possession without burning any time. Even the offensive coordinator from Austin Westlake will NOT be able to do whatever he does at WL if he came to Lumberton.

It's laughable to think that a coordinator from LT or WL would make the difference. You mentioned two schools that have kids with unlimited resources and a community that NEVER has to discuss what kind of coach is needed to make the difference. Literal D1 athletes and future pro players. Plus.. I'll bet good money that their coordinators would rather stay where they are than take on the head gig in a historically failed football program.

I have no idea what kind of resume they’ll get. I’m just saying that staying open minded at a school with a poor football history such as Lumberton. I’ll wager that they probably go with the best resume every time. How has that changed anything? I’m not saying that a coach’s experience shouldn’t be a factor, because it certainly does, but maybe other details should be taken into consideration as well.

Um.. I know lol. That's what I've been saying and have said to be the reason that Lumberton will not get a big name coach. Even if they dump some money into an AD salary.. still gotta pay his assistants or they won't come either.

The teaching portion of any educator's salary is not a stipend. It is the base salary per the school district's salary schedule. An offensive coordinator makes exactly the same as a junior high science teacher for teaching (assuming they're on the same step of the salary schedule). Stipends are EXTRA duties. Coaching, UIL, etc.. Stipends will vary but yes, coordinators get higher stipends than just assistant football coaches. Head coaches get higher stipends than their assistants. Varsity basketball may be 7,000 while jv basketball may be half of that. Offensive/defensive coordinators may get 8,000 for coaching football while the other football coaches may get 5,000. These are all examples. Usually, if the head football coach is the AD, they will be on an administrator's salary. Usually negotiable. Stipends can be negotiable and extra stipends can be given to "sweeten the deal".. (power lifting, track, etc.) but the teacher salary is not negotiable. Yes, teacher pay scales will increase based on years of experience but it is not a stipend. It's just the salary.

I know exactly why he is making what he makes now.. I also know it's nothing close to what he made when he started. That's not what we're talking about.. I'm full aware that Lumberton will need to hire someone that hasn't yet made a name for themselves. I'm saying that Lumberton will not be able to buy a big name coach without competing with what big name coaches make.. which they won't/cant. Schools that pay less than 90-100k are just going to have to deal with the fact that they're going to get someone that hasn't reached that top tier status yet.

Oh I'm well aware.

There's also a reason that Orangefield, Bridge City, and Hamshire Fannett doesn't have big name coaches either. Btw.. their stipends have nothing to do with experience. The teacher pay scale is what it is... but some schools may have a 10K football stipend to go along with that.. possibly another 4K for powerlifting or track. The teaching salary can be relatively comparable everywhere (big schools).. But those stipends for extra duties will be what makes it worth while to be an assistant for this school or that one.

Carthage is gonna Carthage in this one.

Someone threw a suggestion out earlier to be met with, "Surely you're joking?". I don't know.. seems a little like scoffing. Perhaps I misread the situation. Either way, with the amount of money that Lumberton will likely pay for a football staff.. I'd be open to all options. It helped you guys immensely by dropping but if it doesn't stay that way, it will be a very tough football job. A job that even money won't fix.. No successful coach is gonna go there to get a bunch of L's on the record.

That's the reason Lumberton won't get a high name coach like you're advocating for and also the reason they won't get a high name coach's assistants. Since that's the case.. maybe don't scoff at any possibility. Inexperienced AD's is exactly what yall's pay scale says that you want.

How many football coaches are on staff at Lumberton HS? Start here: Offer the salary that will entice the type of coach you're looking for, free up money in the budget to give stipends that will allow them to bring whoever they need, and allow it for a reasonable number of coaches that winning programs need.

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Money does talk. However, your facilities is a completely different pool of money than your salaries. I'm not sure the case with Lumberton, but last time I checked the pay scale was pretty embarrassing. Even though I doubt it, administrator salaries are normally negotiable. Lumberton probably has an admin pay range or so like a lot of SeTx schools. But say I'm wrong... lets assume Lumberton opens up the checkbook for a big name coach. You think assistant coaches will be lining up to make whatever Lumberton pays (probably not much) on a probable undersized staff? There more that goes into it than just paying one person 100K to be your football coach.

I'd think that a program such as Lumberton's shouldn't be quick to dismiss any option. I don't know anything about this person.. maybe he's good. Either way, who do you expect to get? I know that ANY AD job is attractive in some ways to a lot of coaches but Lumberton doesn't necessarily have a background of being a good football job.

Just based on some things... I think HD wins a playoff game next year. As long as this same group is still playing together, next year they'll get a 1 seed and win a playoff game. Crazier things have happened and a lot changes.. but I see WS taking this one.

Spoiler alert.. Art Briles doesn’t care about anyone in this comment thread’s opinion.

The virus is most definitely real... the reaction to it is overly exaggerated.

Crazier things have happened.