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Me too.

Be aware.. if that were the case, it would have a major impact on even local "small town" schools. Notably the recent East Chambers football/basketball year, currently HF, and countless other area schools who had success with one or more transfer kids. Gotta take the bad with the good if that's the rule.

Not if they "move" into the school's attendance zone/district. In that case they only have to sit 15 days. That's why bigger cities have a monopoly on this.. because it's so simple to change your permanent address via apartment complex.

So am I. I've always been ok with this.

How about this.. unless moving in as a junior high student, ALL TRANSFERS sit one calendar year. No matter the reason. If it's because of education (which is apparently the case), then sitting a year in varsity sports won't have any affect on the schooling. It's broken. But nobody is offering a better solution. You can't just punish one school. What is a fair solution that will be a rule across the board?

Crosby's momma so fat she fell over, broke her leg, and gravy poured out. -WMCJ

4A II - 515 5A II - 1230 There's a little bit of a difference. Potentially anyway.

There is no fairness in that. However, it's not quite the same. By forcing Yates to play up in basketball classification (4A to 5A), I was under the impression you were implying their football team to do the same. Since football has divisions are you saying that their other sports should have to play up in division (football) or classification? Let's assume magnet schools such as Yates have to play up because of reasons you described. Basketball, baseball, volleyball, track, and all individual sports go from 4A to 5A?.. and football goes up one division? Or also to 5A?

You still have to live in the school's district. What I was referring to in regards to big cities is that often times a kid/parent will be displeased with a situation and then change their address to an apartment complex in a different school district. It happens more than people think. A lot of big schools (inner city/city) have more than one kid good enough to play (insert here) but as soon as the starter is announced... gone. It's happening in small schools too. They just have to be more creative because of the usual unavailable housing. But make no mistake.. it's happening.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not saying they're recruiting or they aren't.. highly plausible. But, it's happening everywhere and any city with an apartment complex is a hotbed for "legal recruiting". And nothing can be done about it. I've suggested making all transfers sit a calendar year. That would certainly slow the problem but then you run into other issues. I don't know the answer. I'm not defending Yates. I'm defending UIL. While that doesn't happen often, I do believe that schools with similar enrollments should play each other with no stipulations. There should be no "*Unless you're a magnet school, *Unless your really good, *Unless people think you're recruiting. If UIL can prove they're recruiting for athletic purposes, then by all means punish them to the full extent. Otherwise, that are no better options than currently. I would even argue that UIL waters it down too much already.

That hardly matters. If football mattered to your son.. would you be ok with him playing a 5A schedule due to "basketball unfairness" even though he's on the brink of getting hurt every game in a 4A district because his team is bad? Maybe you don't want to take him to a different school because the education being offered is actually the reason he goes to Yates, but he happens to enjoy football more than anything else.

Because that's fair. So let's tell the parents of the football players "I know you're getting your heads beat in (in 4A).. but we're gonna go ahead and make you play 5A, because basketball." I'm sorry but that's crazy to me. Magnet school or not, UIL stipulates that the kid still has to live in their specific zone/district or sit out a year upon transfer. There is absolutely nothing stopping any other Houston ISD school from offering a specialized course/curricula (magnet school). But it wouldn't matter.. Even if they played up a classification and won state championships the same complaint would happen. Even if UIL forced all transfers to sit one calendar year for transferring (no matter the reason), the same complaint would happen. There has to be another option/idea. You are at least the first person to offer a solution (forced to play up). Which I don't agree with..I don't believe making the other sports suffer or other magnet schools suffer because of one school is fair.. but thanks for not just griping without a proposed solution.

In every sport? Because... Yates is already awful in the classification they're in when talking about their other sports.

Really big senior classes and small incoming freshman classes is not uncommon (or vice versa). Just doesn't make sense to me.

And another thing.. it's absolute insanity to me that THIS year's seniors affect NEXT year's district alignment. I know that bigger schools have several different JH feeder schools but schools where everyone JH kid goes into the same high school should count 8-11. Just my opinion.

To be honest.. I think the biggest mistake UIL makes in regards to classification/cutoff/enrollment is to actually tell the schools when the count will be and then ask for their enrollment THAT DAY. Just randomly pull a schools enrollment on a random day of the redistrict year or take a weekly/monthly average or something. It seems like they're asking for schools to skim numbers.

Easily checked.. schools receive funding based on enrollment. Those numbers aren't usually messed with because that's a good way for a school to either lose funding or get shut down.. or whatever happens when/if a school falsifies the number that affects the amount of money they get. Is that the issue here? Or is the issue that Yates is getting a disproportionate amount of talent for a school with the number of students they have? Which again.. nothing can be done about if they are following the rules. I as a parent completely understand. Every good parent in the universe makes decisions they feel are best for their kids. If I have a son that is 6'9 and a potential basketball phenom and I get a job in Houston.. we're probably getting an apartment in Yates' district. Sue me. Just like if I have a football star and a job offer in Fort Worth.. probably gonna house shop in Aledo. Or an ag department.. or academically.. or whatever reason I felt best. The days of K-12 schooling probably don't exist anymore.

There is no question that it is not a perfect system. But.. are you suggesting that Yates play 6A in basketball because they happen to be a consistently good "smaller" school in basketball? Never mind the fact that they're awful in football.. and volleyball.. and baseball/softball (team sports where enrollment has much more of an impact). Even in 4A. So what are you getting at? Every school in the state should abide by the UIL guidelines EXCEPT Houston Yates because they happen to be a relatively smaller school in an enormous city and there are speculations of recruiting going on from the other Houston area school districts? A lot of the Houston area schools are trash in basketball. Same with Dallas..and the other Big cities in the state. I'm not defending Yates.. I'm defending the guideline that every public school is required to adhere to. Should UIL just require every single transfer to sit one year, regardless of reason?

It's because it is a stupid excuse. El Paso has 14 high schools including several 6A schools.. nobody gripes that they could "draw talent" from an area of tens of thousands of kids into one smaller high school. It only matters when individual people complain.. Let's talk about Houston. "It's not fair" because there happens to be a powerhouse basketball team in Houston ISD that's 4A? What about the SAME school or many others who are absolute trash in football, baseball, or whatever else? This is a stupid topic. You can't start picking and choosing who should be affected. UIL places schools into classifications based on the number of kids enrolled in that school. That's the fairest way.

Smack talk thread? "You're mother's an astronaut." - Sidney Deane

Hardin was one onside kick away from this being a close one.

I sure hope this is true. I appreciate it when coaches do what's right. From the looks of the score it was a good time to make an example.

I'm almost certain I remember reading one time that the 2010 state tourney team had a couple of Kountze kids. I brushed it off as a common occurrence between the two neighboring towns but I'm sure I either read that or was told that.

Jumped to 2A?? The state just renamed the classifications. 2A IS the old 1A.

There have always been transfers for a variety of reasons. Parents got a new job, divorce, new home, etc.. and I have always liked to have seen it happen in junior high grades or down. I know it's not always like that, though. Life happens and nobody can do anything about it. But.. when several athletically gifted kids transfer to the same high school.. as high school kids. Well, that'll make you scratch your head. Disclaimer: I'm not suggesting or accusing anyone of anything. Just saying..