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Um.. I know lol. That's what I've been saying and have said to be the reason that Lumberton will not get a big name coach. Even if they dump some money into an AD salary.. still gotta pay his assistants or they won't come either.

The teaching portion of any educator's salary is not a stipend. It is the base salary per the school district's salary schedule. An offensive coordinator makes exactly the same as a junior high science teacher for teaching (assuming they're on the same step of the salary schedule). Stipends are EXTRA duties. Coaching, UIL, etc.. Stipends will vary but yes, coordinators get higher stipends than just assistant football coaches. Head coaches get higher stipends than their assistants. Varsity basketball may be 7,000 while jv basketball may be half of that. Offensive/defensive coordinators may get 8,000 for coaching football while the other football coaches may get 5,000. These are all examples. Usually, if the head football coach is the AD, they will be on an administrator's salary. Usually negotiable. Stipends can be negotiable and extra stipends can be given to "sweeten the deal".. (power lifting, track, etc.) but the teacher salary is not negotiable. Yes, teacher pay scales will increase based on years of experience but it is not a stipend. It's just the salary.

I know exactly why he is making what he makes now.. I also know it's nothing close to what he made when he started. That's not what we're talking about.. I'm full aware that Lumberton will need to hire someone that hasn't yet made a name for themselves. I'm saying that Lumberton will not be able to buy a big name coach without competing with what big name coaches make.. which they won't/cant. Schools that pay less than 90-100k are just going to have to deal with the fact that they're going to get someone that hasn't reached that top tier status yet.

Oh I'm well aware.

There's also a reason that Orangefield, Bridge City, and Hamshire Fannett doesn't have big name coaches either. Btw.. their stipends have nothing to do with experience. The teacher pay scale is what it is... but some schools may have a 10K football stipend to go along with that.. possibly another 4K for powerlifting or track. The teaching salary can be relatively comparable everywhere (big schools).. But those stipends for extra duties will be what makes it worth while to be an assistant for this school or that one.

Carthage is gonna Carthage in this one.

Someone threw a suggestion out earlier to be met with, "Surely you're joking?". I don't know.. seems a little like scoffing. Perhaps I misread the situation. Either way, with the amount of money that Lumberton will likely pay for a football staff.. I'd be open to all options. It helped you guys immensely by dropping but if it doesn't stay that way, it will be a very tough football job. A job that even money won't fix.. No successful coach is gonna go there to get a bunch of L's on the record.

That's the reason Lumberton won't get a high name coach like you're advocating for and also the reason they won't get a high name coach's assistants. Since that's the case.. maybe don't scoff at any possibility. Inexperienced AD's is exactly what yall's pay scale says that you want.

How many football coaches are on staff at Lumberton HS? Start here: Offer the salary that will entice the type of coach you're looking for, free up money in the budget to give stipends that will allow them to bring whoever they need, and allow it for a reasonable number of coaches that winning programs need.

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Money does talk. However, your facilities is a completely different pool of money than your salaries. I'm not sure the case with Lumberton, but last time I checked the pay scale was pretty embarrassing. Even though I doubt it, administrator salaries are normally negotiable. Lumberton probably has an admin pay range or so like a lot of SeTx schools. But say I'm wrong... lets assume Lumberton opens up the checkbook for a big name coach. You think assistant coaches will be lining up to make whatever Lumberton pays (probably not much) on a probable undersized staff? There more that goes into it than just paying one person 100K to be your football coach.

I'd think that a program such as Lumberton's shouldn't be quick to dismiss any option. I don't know anything about this person.. maybe he's good. Either way, who do you expect to get? I know that ANY AD job is attractive in some ways to a lot of coaches but Lumberton doesn't necessarily have a background of being a good football job.

Just based on some things... I think HD wins a playoff game next year. As long as this same group is still playing together, next year they'll get a 1 seed and win a playoff game. Crazier things have happened and a lot changes.. but I see WS taking this one.

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The virus is most definitely real... the reaction to it is overly exaggerated.

Crazier things have happened.

Perhaps the cancellations were due to actual active cases or at least a positive test. If there happens to be siblings (sister volleyball player / brother football player) then I'm pretty certain the rules say they must quarantine being in the same household. Or.. if a positive test in either locker room the whole team would quarantine per UIL/TEA mandate. People's feelings on the seriousness of the virus are irrelevant. The state hasn't lifted the regulations.. so.. Out of anyone's hands.

Perhaps he is. If so, they need to let him run the athletic program. I'm not saying that basketball can't have importance at a smaller school, but if the school has football.. then the program should be weighted toward football.

No clue.. but that district is too much. It won't matter. It could potentially be respectable but HD won't win a playoff game this year. Maybe next.

I predict for HD to go 1-1 over their next two games.

The correct response if to feel bad for the seniors. There's a chance that of those seniors, there may have been at least one that cared enough to not want to end the career this way. Hopefully they all did. However, as mentioned above, when the Athletic Director is as basketball heavy as the one they have... it's not surprising to see the football program go by the wayside. I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner in the year. It's hard enough to take losses but to do it with minimal players makes it all the more difficult. Hate to see it. West Hardin... get a football coach back in there.

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Yes and people seldom take things like this into account. They just make blanket statements like, "Well why is Celina so different than Orangefield (example).. their kids look just like our kids". Um.. yeah. Maybe. But.. have you ever been to that area of North Dallas? Beautiful neighborhoods, brank new businesses, 24 hour accessibility to whatever you need, etc.. There are no "poor areas" in a lot of school districts. Again.. there are ALWAYS exceptions. To deny that a kid's situation doesn't impact athletics/academics is just naïve, though. It's an unfair system that I don't see ever changing.

I'm not even talking about ethnicity at all.. just living condition. A kid that has a healthy diet, ideal living conditions, the financial backing to travel the state/country for speed/strength/academic camps, does not have to work summers and weekends out of necessity, and has a seemingly endless support system will come out better than an identical kid (height, size, age) who doesn't have those. Again.. there are always exceptions. And there are plenty of kids with access to all of that who are average or worse athletically.. but money plays a huge factor. There have even been studies done showing such. I read a very interesting article recently on the differences between Austin Lake Travis (I think) high school and Austin High School. Two schools within miles of each other with polar opposite football success over the last however many years. You can go look at the student parking lots of each school and see some very vast differences without even seeing the teams.