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What way? They won it all in 05 right? I know that’s relatively recent...especially to an old fart like me. But in 05 the kids on this year’s team hadn’t even started kindergarten yet. So it’s not that recent. But what I’m referring to as recent they spent the better part of a decade bowing out about round 3. All of the sudden they split all of the districts (4A and down) in half and they make it to the title game 2 out of 4 years. I’m not saying they weren’t really good...in fact they maybe could’ve beaten the champ in D1 had they played. But to think that the UIL didn’t help out is a little naive. It actually happens every other year...whatever number that UIL deams as “the cutoff” creates brand new winners and brand new losers for 2 years at a time.

I meant recently

And don’t mean to shortchange any accomplishments...because it is certainly a feat of Hall of Fame proportions. But let’s not forget. Before the UIL literally split the classifications in half WOS wasn’t even getting out of the region. And Newton wasn’t either.

Fact. No offense...but this response sums up the culture of most of this area. Schools like Carthage DO think a title is worth that type of money. Which is what explains his salary, the turf college level field, the 100 yard indoor practice field, the $100K instant replay screen...etc. You may not think all that matters but it’s doing his recruiting without him trying. Not to mention the type of community support it shows to allow a high school to spend that type of money on football.

Negative. I just have a lot of buddies from my college basketball days that coach. And a lot of family. And LEAST talent? No. Less talent? All the time. That just happened with Highland Park. They still had a ton of talent just not as much as Manvel. I’m actually surprised it was even close.

From my original post. ”Now I’m not saying a good coach won’t make a difference.”

Ok. Like I said...no sense in you and I continuing the conversation. We’ll never see eye to eye on this one.

I know it would never happen but I wish it would...just so I could liquidate my assets and bet you every dollar I had. Because if you think that there’s no reason continuing the conversation.

And you said that you agree that the staff changes when HC changes...

Instead of posting past records and making statements like “did the talent show up that year?” you should take a few other things into account. What did the districts look like before and after, classification changes, economic/population shifts, natural resource discoveries, school openings, the building of new facilities ...there are so many things that happen and change that affects school sports success. Plus...how about the fact that Allen could split into 3 6A schools if they wanted to. You think that hasn’t had an impact on Beaumont?

Could Scott Surratt, Art Briles, or Tom Westerberg take any staff to ANY school in the state and win a state championship in 6 years? That’s enough time to see the 1st 7th graders graduate. Houston Scarborough, ANY El Paso school, ANY South Texas school, Warren, Hardin, Tarkington...want me to continue?

I think he went because of money, facilities, and the fact that he’s AD and not just Head football coach. Eventually there comes a point when a coach has to think about the 30 years after coaching...and not just the 30 years spent coaching. Same reason Tod Dodge went to UNT and got embarrassed for 3 seasons...because public universities pay into TRS as well.

True. But these proven coaches also never go to schools that don’t have a history of success...or great facilities. Because if these coaches really thought they could win anywhere then they would go to any school that’s willing to pay. But that doesn’t happen.

Yeah that’s kinda helping my point. When a staff gets replaced but the school keeps winning...

You’re right. I meant he hadn’t won one. And after winning 4 in a row not very long ago...you’d think he’d just keep getting rings. Since it’s all about coaching like some think.

How do you explain Lake Travis winning 5 in a row under 3 different head coaches? By the way...a MAJORITY of the time the new AD brings their own people. Especially at a school that size.

Did I say he isn’t doing a good job?

And Austin Westlake is precisely the type of affluent area that’s going to have some relative success all the time. But since you brought it up...why didn’t he win it? Matter of fact, why weren’t they in the title game this year?

It has nothing to do with Cornell’s past. And everything to do with the fact that WOS has kids that play FBS football every year. Has Tarkington ever had a kid play at ... a school like Alabama? If you think Cornell Thompson could go to Tarkington and they start having kids play big time D1 and start winning state titles then you’re wrong. There’s a reason he doesn’t leave WOS for more money. That’s probably because he’d rather keep winning than make more money and lose.

Had Allen won many before Westerberg? But I guess that didn’t have anything to do with having the most prolific high school qb that’s ever taken a snap. By the way Allen is still winning them without Westerberg. But...will he win another title? I certainly don’t think so at BH. And Tod Dodge won 4 in a row a while back at Southlake Carroll. Hasn’t even coached in a title game since...is he a worse coach now? If it was ALL ABOUT the coach then the same coach would win the championship every year.

It has been argued by me that players have more to do with winning/losing than coaching. I could give countless examples that prove this but I’ll just stick to very recent. Mart won a state title this year. Again...but with a different head coach. Same exact thing with Newton. And Allen... Very recently Lake Travis won 5 consecutive titles. With...3 different head coaches...umm?? Andy Evans was at EC for over a decade and never got past round 3...then goes to Tatum and wins 2 state championships. Nobody finds that odd? Now I’m not saying a good coach won’t make a difference. But if it was all about coaching then why are the same schools successful regardless of who coaches them? And on that same note why have previously successful coaches not successful every year? Well..I hate to break it to you but it’s because the rosters change every year. Some years you have good players. Some years you don’t. And sometimes you don’t have good players but everyone else sucks just a little bit more. If you don’t believe that then you probably think Cornell Thompson could win a title at Tarkington (1 of several examples). Which is a joke. You probably also think Westerberg will win a title at BH. No offense...but that’s not happening either.

Region might be a little tougher (finally) with the addition of Silsbee and possibly Jasper. I wouldn’t say given.

More importantly... Who....cares? Sorry but subvarsity sports don’t mean anything. Especially junior high. So much changes by the time they’re in high school. Kids move, fail, quit, peak...

A vast majority of high school kids never experience a state title game. The WOS seniors did it 4 times. Awesome.

They need to just let every starter be 1st Team All District. And any kid that ever gets in the game be 2nd Team. Do away with honorable mention. Then the wussification can be complicated.