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You're just new, stay on the board and you'll start to understand. Vidor has a place in the hierarchy of Texas High School football, sometimes they need to be reminded of it.

Yeah, it's Crosby this, Crosby that, then "Oh, stop talking about us."

Why would we have trouble stopping Vidor? Because we have trouble stopping the run? BH didn't have any trouble at all stopping Vidor and we ran through them with a backup qb. Vidor probably hasn't completed 5 total passes this season, that often translates into not being able to cover it either. The one time they played a team that could throw it around the yard they were embarrassed. Vidor has played one good offense and four bad ones, don't mistake that for thinking your boys have more than they really do. You don't need big bucks from industry to have nice stuff, you just need an administration and community that want to provide it for their students.

No, Crosby couldn't believe we were playing so bad. Vidor ran for 306 on 67 carries on Crosby and ended with the same total yardage, Crosby ran for 283 on 31 carries and added 140 passing. It was the 100+ yards in penalties, the turnovers and muffed kicks deep in our own territory that made the difference. Vidor probably had one run over 10 yards the whole game, I also told several of you five years ago that it would be your only bi-district win for a long time and it most certainly was. Congrats though, y'all are the only squad to win a bi-district game against Crosby the last 8 years. After Lumberton ran the ball down y'alls throat to the tune of 425 yards, ask them what it was like to be down 35-0 at halftime. Trust me man, this ain't Flannigan's Crosby.

What man, bragging on myself?????????? The truth about the UIL investigation is that there is one going on, period. Me speculating that he knowingly stepped into a gray area after all the years of experience as a head coach is drawing a straight line between two points. Believe whatever you need to to make yourself feel good though, it's always better to act like you didn't know instead of admitting you intentionally broke any rules.

Lol, Porter threw for 400+ yards on Crosby, Vidor can't complete a forward pass. Crosby has probably only given up 350 rushing yards on the season after four games. Porter has a new coach and better players than Vidor, BH already showed Vidor that you can't handle that this year. You proved you're ignorant about Crosby football if you think kids like Tay'lor Perry or Johnny Harper won't come downhill and end your season or a kid like Trey Edwards won't run you slap over from the receiver position. You're right though, five years ago when Kevin Flannigan was coaching here and we didn't have any of the current kids on the team Vidor beat a 6-4 Crosby team with the sophomore Twins for their first and only bi-district win in 54 years. That coach was fired and hired at WB, well see if Matthews can even keep his team on the field with Riordan at the helm. He couldn't with BH before we blew them out.

The only speculation is will or won't Nederland have to forfeit. The other stuff has already been reported by different outlets. I said he took a desperate measure to not do something like lose to Vidor at home for the first time in a few decades, I don't ever think he had the intention of being investigated by the UIL.

I wouldn't call going into overtime and winning by three getting smoked but if it suits your narrative then ok, just remember those studs we were missing will be playing. Be for real though dude, you lost by 5 tds at home and just had to go to overtime to beat a bad Nederland team. A Nederland team that lost to 2-3 Dayton and was shut out 42-0 by WOS. Jim Holley would do the same thing to Vidor Westeberg did. Nobody wants to play y'all because you suck and are irrelevant, the only reason BH put y'all on the schedule was because they needed an easy win for the new head coach to start his program off and that's exactly what happened. Vidor gets crap games because your program is a cellar dweller and you run an antiquated system that doesn't prepare anybody for anything besides getting their knees cut all the time. Do you honestly think the reason the best non-district game you can get is Channelview because somebody is scared to line up with y'all? You play 3A, 4A and out of state schools because none of the other good teams in the state respect your program enough to think it's worth their while. I don't have to ask our school board anything, maybe you should ask yours to provide a playing surface that won't require a grown up Easter egg hunt for their children's shoes though.

If all three teams finish 4-4 it really wouldn't matter who beat who. If I remember correctly the forfeit rules are 2-0 win for Livingston. Nederland can beat Central by a td which would make them -2 + +7 for a total of +5 differential. If Central also blows out Livingston it would be -7 + +17(max I believe) for a differential of +10 and Ned stays home.

W-T-%??????????????? Splendora is about to lose 5 games in a row man, they won't win another game until they play Caney Creek or KP. Accidents happen sometime but not all the time. Welcome to the board though.

Not very difficult, Barbers Hill beat them by 5 tds before we blew them out. I think PAM at least equals what BH did to them.

Concrete fact #1 - This is a Crosby thread. Concrete fact #2 - Nederland is under investigation by the UIL. Concrete fact #3 - Crosby isn't. Concrete fact #4 - Neumann didn't play the kid in question due to the investigation. Opinion #1 - If he knows he didn't do anything wrong why not continue to play the kid? Concrete fact #5 - Crosby is know for handling their business which is why we led off the state's post-game show when we didn't. Butt hurt? If anybody's butt hurts it should be Nederland's after losing 42-0 to a 4A squad and probably having to forfeit a game they won by 42 with illegal players. That's what I call the truth, no arbitrary conclusion in that one.

No way he didn't know. As so many of his fans love to acknowledge, he's been around a long time so this was far from his first rodeo dealing with this type of situation. I personally think his arrogance led to the decision to play the kid, kind of like "This is what I'm doing and the rest of you revere me so much you won't say anything". IDK if the PAP was signed or not, but if it wasn't he should be aware that he has to get the kid through the district executive committee before the kid can even take a snap. We had kids go to Crosby for a whole semester only to get ruled ineligible by the UIL in Austin after being denied participation by the DEC. Nothing weird about it stat, Neumann couldn't handle getting his arse kicked so he took desperate measures. Compared to our case this one is pretty cut and dried.

Grad, even though I don't agree with the meaning as it relates to a high school message board. I was trying to do the humble thing, but "hole", "hiding" and "licking wounds" makes me realize I just might as well be myself.

Not really, I said Nederland wasn't a very good football team before the season and I still feel the same way. Wasn't a popular opinion like many of mine aren't but I didn't say anything in the PAM thread that I didn't express before the season started. Look how bad your loss to Dayton looks now? If I wanted to talk crap I would mention how dumb/desperate your "great" coach is for playing an ineligible player and maybe costing his team a playoff position. A mistake not even a 30-something head coach like Riordan would make as noted when he sat the Oliver boys. How idiotic and desperate do you have to be to play a transfer days after he arrived at school, says a lot about what he felt he had on the roster which isn't much. "I know you have gone through the whole offseason and camp but this kid that was buried on the depth chart at PAM is better than any of you guys". There, I talked crap in a Crosby thread.

Really man? GCM is about to go 0-10 or 1-9 this year. You sound like a Dayton fan, all excited about the new coach only to watch him come in and double the previous season's loss record. You're right though, we'll be out Friday. You're welcome to sit on the visitors side so you can see what a legitimate football team and crowd support look like.

Lol, Netherly and Williams sat across the isle from me at the Dayton game and watched y'all get mauled. They looked completely fine along with one of the other kids that was held out, so there's your updated injury report. There were Crosby fans in the stands literally calling out the Dayton plays before they were run and laughing at the result. I'm sure our coaching staff sitting over there was amused too. If I was you I would be worried about the way I'm fixing to go watch my team get flat out embarrassed in Mont Belvieu Friday.

I don't think Ned has a snowball's chance in this one but just in case the ruling goes against them they'll need to probably win one of these against PAM or PNG with PNG obviously being their best chance. If Ned has to forfeit and Livingston is given that W, there's a good chance they both finish 4-4 in district play with Livingston having the heads-up tie-breaker and Ned staying home. Of course Central could finish 4-4 also which would probably give them the advantage in point differential since the Ned v Livingston game would most likely go down as an official 2-0 score.

I don't doubt he has a plan, I'm sure Clayton Maple had a plan when he took over at Kingwood Park too. The question is, is his plan better than the four guys he's trying to catch in the district? New Caney is transfer central, they've literally cherry-picked the most talented players off their respective teams. Their new stud qb came from Caney Creek last year to replace their other stud transfer qb, their stud wr came from Kingwood Park to replace their other stud transfer wr who's at Nevada now and their stud rb is from St. Pius X and will go D1. Pennington knew he didn't have the homegrown players at NC yet so his plan is to acquire talent by any means legal. Riordan already had the best players in the district when he showed up at Crosby, now he's put the offseason program and certain "expectations" in place to the point where it's shocking for Crosby to lose to any unranked teams before the playoffs. Part of Westeberg's plan at BH also started with the offseason program, the other part is to let his team score 40+ every week and give them the confidence to think they can play with anybody. Once he gets some players BH will be tough to deal with but you can see the genesis of his plan. It didn't take long for any of these guys to do this. Halfway through the season I think you have to ask what Nations' plan actually is? Dayton was supposed to fix the defense with this hire but it's just as bad or maybe even worse. Dayton used to have one of the most potent offenses around, regardless of personnel. Now they have the best personnel I can remember since Green and Dugat but the offense has gotten worse, they execute like a freshman squad. I'm not saying all those things can't be fixed by Friday night but the way this guy was hyped coming in you would think none of those problems would even be an issue in the first place. The guy could realistically be 2-6 in a few weeks. As much as I love Dayton and BH losing, I have to admit it's a little unrewarding watching a member of the purple triangle struggle.

Dayton gives up all those yards because they don't play assignment defense. New Caney basically ran four plays and scored all those points. BH can run but isn't really a running team anymore, the qb is a good runner but they throw it around the yard now. They score on you with scheme, they might not have the athletes New Caney does but their passing game is a lot more complex.

I agree with that. The language that Nations can be heard using on the sideline used to fly back in the day when they didn't let you drink water at practice. You say that stuff to these kids today and they feel like they have every right to use the same language back at you. There's also no endgame when you act like a tea pot from kickoff to closing whistle. It eventually becomes white noise, especially when the kids feel like they have options like other sports or just not playing in general.

The years Stew had elite talent are the years he did his best work though. Dayton didn't have that kind of talent when you graduated and barely made the playoffs because of it, even though in the '00 season he still had kids like Lamar Mitchell on the roster. That was over 15 years ago, since then the game has changed. Dayton was notorious for playing kids both ways under Stewart, back then when it was mostly run-based offenses it worked. Crosby fans always complained that we didn't play kids both ways but "Dayton puts their best players on the field" and that's why we lost. They did it all the way down to the middle school level. What it did while you were winning with the studs is under-develop a whole generation of kids though. Now the studs are gone and even though you have more kids playing there's not a bunch of football depth that I saw Friday night. My son played against Dayton's freshman team last year and I think I counted Dayton playing 18 kids total. The kids that are studs in 7th grade in Dayton are the same ones that they lean on in 12th grade, nobody ever emerges due to player development. For instance, Dayton's qb #8 would probably be a D1 level receiver in Crosby. #1 and #7 would also, instead he's just a big kid who runs soft and all his deficiencies are highlighted by the bad/predictable the play-calling. There might have been more winning going on at other schools in SETX but Stewart was the best coach in the area given his situation IMO. Now instead of the best coach in the area Dayton probably has the 5th best coach in the district to go with an enrollment that's getting left behind. I know it probably isn't a popular thing to say but with all the talented guys that were clamoring for the Dayton job this offseason it's amazing y'all ended up with the guy y'all did. As you can see with Porter and BH it doesn't take long for the right guy to turn it around, they're taking schools that have been missing the playoffs for several years and making them relevant. The guy Dayton hired is going to take a team that was already relevant with a 20+ year playoff streak and go the other way with it.

Did Nations actually call plays under Stewart, I know his title was OC but did he actually call the offense? Maybe some of the problem is just not being on the sideline or running a practice for five years? Dayton also doesn't have the elite talent Stew got to work with at times. It took Brady Pennington three years of going 2-8, then 4-6 at New Caney before he got them back to the level he had Van. Now he has the hottest program in Montgomery County besides The Woodlands. Jim Holley was at KP beating an undefeated King with Trey Williams, now he's resource loaded at Porter with even more talent than he had at KP. Riordan needs 6 more wins for win #50 in his fifth year at Crosby. BH just broke the bank to bring in the most high profile coach in Texas. Different ballgame than five years ago. Tough sledding for Dayton's new coach, especially when all the other schools mentioned have rapidly climbing enrollments and plenty of resources. Friday night Dayton is going to see a school dedicated to trying to win against one that's dedicated the hometown guy/s.

Boy, I would pay double to see is one but I'll be up 1942 watching the rebound game. With the group of kids Dayton has offensively this would've normally been a game where they just get on the field and out-athlete BH in the past, Dayton seems to have lost that ability though. Meanwhile BH is figuring out how to maximize their athletic ability with scheme and doing an excellent job. Game-wise I think Dayton might hit one or two big plays but will probably have to manufacture points due to BH's athletic deficiencies being negated by Dayton's sub-standard offensive execution. Put simply, Dayton is about to get outcoached for the third time in district play so far. That being said, I think this week against BH is still a better shot at a W than next week against Porter.

Very good analysis. I don't think BH has much trouble getting to 40 on Dayton, but every position group for New Caney is a little better than what BH has right now. As a unit I think BH's defense is equal to New Caney's though.