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The only teams we lined up with last year that had better personnel than us were Manvel and Aledo. That may have not been the case if Chris Marshall doesn't get ejected in the FB Marshall game but we'll never know. How did Crosby overperform by beating teams they had better personnel than? The only chatter you're talking about was coming from outside of Crosby. With the kids we put on the field every year we never expect not to be competitive. All you have to do is sit in the stands at one of our games and listen to the "chatter". We hated Riordan left but we also hated giving up 50ppg in playoff losses under him too. Coach P coached to his talent instead of trying to make the talent fit his coaching and these were the results. Crosby is probably one of the five biggest schools in 5A-D2 so we should be towards the top of the class talent wise. I think you're confusing years of Crosby underperforming with this year and us actually playing up to our ability. If you think Crosby overperformed this year, wait until Coach P gets one of those uber-talented teams like Rio had in '13 or '17. * Didn't mean to derail the discussion but after a decade of being accused of underperforming it's extremely odd to be accused of overperforming.

Yeah, that's honestly one of the worst arguments I see on this site and just around TXHSF in general. I guess Phil Danaher and his 400+ career wins has underperformed at Calallen too, lol. Whenever you get into the "what do you consider a great coach" argument I always revert back to, "Do you have to be Bill Gates or Warren Buffet to be considered a great businessman?"

No, but all accept Green were the QBs that led up to Westerberg being seen as a great coach and eventually landing Murray when he chose to leave Lewisville. Murray's dad is a QB coach and I'm sure evaluated TW and the way he coached those kids before he allowed his son to play for him. Not sure that if TW doesn't beat Hightower in the title game with one of those kids that Murray ever shows up in Allen.

Whoa now. You can't call Samples anything other than great. Samples went 3-7 his first year at Duncanville and the very next year had them in the regional final at 11-3. That's hardly enough time to "collect talent" from the rest of SW Dallas county. The mark of a great coach is what happens before and after you leave. Samples coached a bunch of DISD kids from some south Dallas projects to the state finals at Lincoln, lost that one on a blocked FG I believe. Lincoln has been in the gutter ever since he left. Next stop was Skyline who was mediocre before he got there to say the least. He turned them into an absolute monster, just couldn't get past Allen or SLC to win a title. He went 96-14 his last 8 years at Skyline. He left and Skyline immediately went back to being mediocre. You could probably apply your "collecting talent" comment to his time at the former east Dallas powerhouse and it would be more fitting. Duncanville had already won a title before Samples got there and has always been full of talent. They were just a sleeping giant that needed direction. True he's gotten a big time transfers like Kendrick Blackshire but he's also lost big time prospects like Chris Parsons who transferred to Red Oak after starting as freshman against North Shore in the title game. Duncanville doesn't need the transfers, they have a similar enrollment to North Shore but probably have twice the player pool to choose from. Those kids in south Dallas look at Samples like the second coming and play their butts off for him. IMO him and Steve Lineweaver have been the best coaches in the DFW in recent memory beside Joey McGuire.

BH does have a good amount of diversity in their younger classes. As for TW's resume, outside of Kyler Murray during his time at Allen he coached: Matt Brown - TCU Nathan Dick - Arkansas Casey Dick - Arkansas Seth Green - Minnesota I'm missing one in his time there when he first took over though. Throw Murray in there and it makes the job a whole lot easier with those caliber of QBs EVERY year. Samples needs to stay put. Lol, after one transition year Samples would mess around and have BH in the regional finals. I don't think he fits what BH wants in a coach though, plus I doubt the Godfather of South Dallas football would be willing to come any further south than I-20.

Barrett is majority Hispanic now. Only about 20% of our better athletes are coming from the Barrett/Cedar Grove areas now. The vast majority of our athletes come from Crosby proper now. Liberty Hill also doesn't have a Barrett Station.

BH is also 2-8 against Crosby the last 10 years. BH was close for two years, as in beat Crosby. Crosby officially tied for the district title in 2017 and 2020 but played from the #2 position. In 2018 Crosby was ranked #2 in the state before Howard tore his ACL in Vidor. Season was over after that and was the only reason we missed the playoffs for the only time in 16 years. Pretty sure Crosby would've went 10-0 in the regular season and played FB Marshall in the 3rd round had Howard stayed healthy. In 2019 our financial crisis hung over us and we played with a first year coach who had no offseason. Very bleak year in general in Crosby. That's what it took for TW to beat Crosby those two times. Last year y'all were blow out, in 2016 y'all were blown out and I guess 2017 is when you said Crosby needed a major comeback? We were down 6 pts going into the 4th quarter and scored 22 unanswered and y'all lost by 16. BH was never up by more than 7. Think about it? Crosby had their two worst seasons in a decade and a half in that 5 year period and still had more wins than BH and their hired gun. As good as Crosby just looked in our Spring game Friday I expect another blow out this coming season. No doubt BH has improved leaps and bounds in terms of individual athleticism, as they should with a growing enrollment but we're just going to have to disagree on what "pretty close" means in terms of program strength/capabilities/trajectory.

It wouldn't let me edit, that's why I switched the other post to "four playoff wins" to account for that 11 year period I was eluding to. Was just looking at the overview and didn't account for the cancelled covid game in 2020. Brings the average down to $666,667 per playoff win under TW.

Should be "four playoff wins", forgot to account for the cancelled game last year.

From my driveway to Cowboys Stadium - 552.6 mile round trip

With growth comes a higher enrollment and a move up in classes. BH is already a big school for 5A-D2, next comes 5A-D1 and in about six years they'll have a 6A enrollment and get to play schools like North Shore and Atascocita in district. BH definitely has more athletes now but Deer Park and BH are very similar schools and look how DP struggles even though their enrollment is the highest in the Houston area. I would be very interested to see what TW candidly tells other coaching applicants who reach out to him for information?

TW only won three playoff games at BH and finished above 3rd place one time, and both of those wins were in the same year. No 5A teams in the Houston area except Manvel and probably FB Marshall has more playoff wins in the last 15 years than Crosby, and that's without last year's run. We've only missed the playoffs once in like 16 years and have won or tied for the DC multiple times. Our normal run was losing in the second round when only 32 teams are left playing, also had a regional championship in '14 during that time. We've also produced countless collegiate signees in that time period. That's what it takes to be a top 20 program in 5A and be considered average. You would certainly have to consider BH below average using those metrics. Yeah, nobody expected him to turn BH into Allen but he should've at least turned them into Crosby.

Crazy you said Abseck, I think that would be a good hire too. All those other guys BH should probably stay away from. I know that's easier said than done but all of those guys accept Abseck are what BH has been hiring to get the results you have. Todd Dodge - QB Cade Klubnick committed to Clemson Riley Dodge - QB Quin Ewers #1 ranked prospect in America in his class Scott Surratt - Other than La Vega has the most talent in all of 4A Brad Butler - QB Kyron Drones signed with Baylor. Most talent in 5A-D1 when they won the title with a 6A enrollment. Transfer heavy school with D1 talent everywhere Todd McVey - QB Jalen Milroe signed with Alabama and was probably the best offensive player in the Houston area besides Jaydon Blue. Record is pretty meh without Milroe those three years. Craig Stump - I would tie Atascocita with Westfield and Dickinson as having the most talent in the Houston area behind North Shore. They're not too far behind either, probably top 10 in the state talent-wise most years John Kay - On average coaches one of the top three most talented teams in the state regardless of class. For example, going into next year they already have 8 kids with FBS offers on the defensive side of the ball alone. Carl Abseck - Maybe. Can BH pay enough to pull him away from the ritzy north Austin suburb? IDK, but CP is extremely good at the LOS for the 5A level and that won't translate to BH which may cause TW like results. All the guys above except Abseck have advantages that aren't there at BH. You have to remember these guys aren't used to coaching average players like BH has. Hiring one of these guys will probably yield the same results as Gage or TW. Doesn't hurt to try though.

Keotting coaches at a lower level but he's pretty much what they've already been hiring. Koetting is already older like Westerberg and Gage were and they have talent near the top of their class. After seeing how it went for TW I think the biggest name they could potentially get is a guy like Carl Abseck at Cedar Park. If I was BH I would look hard in Central Texas where a bunch of winning teams do it with not much more than average talent. If they're not going to go the Riordan-type route then IMO a guy like Trey Sissom at FB Travis would be the perfect fit. BH doesn't produce rbs so a system like Sissom's would be ideal if they continue to play relative decent defense. I also like a guy like Brandon Schmidt at Prosper who does it against tough competition with slightly above average talent.

So does this mean we start penciling BH back in for 6th place finishes since Westerberg and his four titles could only average 3rd place? I mean, I guess there's always a possibility they could hire Scott Surratt and start finishing a solid second though.

I highly doubt Cowgill would fit the "image" of what BH is looking for in a head coach.

Hearing he's taking a Central Texas AD job. I wonder what BH's approach will be on this hire? They wanted coaches with championships under their belts and as such the last two coaches came to BH with six combined 6A titles(Gage's 2 at Lewisville would be considered 6A now). Over that eleven year span BH has won two district titles and has three playoff wins. Not to mention in the last five years they've compensated the Westerberg family right around $2M. Does BH back the Brinks truck up to a guy right down I-10 like John Kay at North Shore and pitch the idea that he can be the head football coach and the AD? Does the BH administration finally realize these guys they're hiring with multiple titles also have talent near the top of the class and hire a guy like Jeff Riordan, or do they go down the same route where they pay a bunch of money to a guy near the end of his career just to say they have a championship coach? I think Westerberg accomplished what he set out to do when he took the BH job. He made a bunch of money in a short span, got his son a head coaching job at Whitehouse and parlayed his time on The Hill into an even better retirement job. So much for great coaches being able to win anywhere.

Yep, just saw he left after this past season. Must've known Shultz was looking to leave too and took the opportunity to go back closer to home.

It should really only hurt them for one alignment? All the New Caney ISD schools will drop to 5A-D2 for an alignment or two but they'll probably pick up around 1,000 kids over a 4 year period between the three schools and their talent level will be right back to where it is now. They also pay their head coaches very well in that district so they don't have retention problems. The growth in that area is absolutely crazy.

Kind of a slap in the face/wake-up call when your head coach voluntarily leaves to go be an assistant at another school? That's pretty much code for "I don't think I can win here and don't want to hurt my other potential opportunities down the road."

I would think that if they hire in-house that this job would go to Coach Riordan's little brother. As for Coach Shultz, good luck. If you couldn't dial it up against Hamshire-Fannett and Lumberton it's tough to see how you do it with an even larger talent gap against North Shore and Atascocita?

I would imagine this is one of the jobs North Shore offensive coordinator Willie Gaston is waiting to come open? He's one of the most sought after assistants in Houston and I'm pretty sure the brass in Humble ISD's athletic department would do anything it could to disrupt the juggernaut down the beltway.

May want to change "Houston Westbury" to Westbury Christian? Houston Westbury is a 6A squad in the district with Lamar, Bellaire, Heights, etc.

Our third place team lost 21-20 to Paetow, 9-5A's runner-up Lee lost 70-18. Lee gave up 44 points in a squeaker to 1-8 Galveston Ball. They only scored 14 in a 20+ point loss to 6th place La Porte. The hot start they had to the season this year was the same as 2019 when they started 52-0 over 6A Westbury, 75-35 over Splendora and 54-27 over Galena Park. They were scrappy in 2019 with a better qb and still went 2-5 in district play. The only difference this year is that they switched districts. When they played a team solid on both sides of the ball they lost by 50+. My co-worker's kids go to Sterling but he's a die hard Lee alumnus and he told himself that he though the main reason for Lee's success was because they were playing in a more "friendly" district. That's just one man's opinion but he's probably seen more Baytown football than anybody on this site the last 10-15 years so I give it some value. You sound like Texas High guy talking about how they would run through our district before Crosby went out to east Texas and dropped a 60 piece on them.

Probably the funniest post in the whole thread right here. He's right about one thing, PNG's defense is porous. Probably had the best defensive performance in 12-5A all year holding FBM to 21 in bi-district though. 9-5A-D1: "Man, Lee is good. They could probably win 12-5A-D2" 12-5A-D2: "Lee was 4-10 in our district during the last alignment. They went 2-5 both years. Even with a lot of improvement they would’ve been 4-3 and finished 5th this year. You’ll see what I’m saying when y’all line up with 10-5A" Result: Lee finishes runner-up in 9-5A-D1 and loses to third place Katy Paetow 70-18 in bi-district play after Paetow beats BH 21-20 earlier in the season. As for #2 leading the district in rushing, here were the top 3 rushers in 12-5A-D2: Reggie Branch - 1,784 yards Josh Mazyck - 1,527 Semaj McCall - 1,356 + BH game As for the 2021 bi-district outlook in 9-5A-D1, don't expect much different. Manvel lost their stud QB but brings back both rbs and should still win the district. Foster will take a slight step back but with how good they are at the lines of scrimmage it won't matter much in the first round. Paetow should be even better next year, they lost their stud rb but it will be their first year with a full involuntary senior class and will probably be at 6A enrollment. Hightower will probably be about the same as last year but their qb was only a freshman and they'll have those Mo City athletes to deal with. Angleton finished 5th last year after having corona issues all season but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them finish 2nd. Toughest district in the state IMO and just an awful draw for 9-5A-D1.