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Y’all lost by 30 though. Not saying Crosby won’t lose by 30 to Manvel next week but you pay the big money for wins. Everything you said makes a valid point but Westeberg is probably making more money than Gary Joseph, who the Chronicle just listed as the highest paid coach in the area north of $136k. I personally don’t think this game is any indication of how BH’s season will turn out but you can’t keep giving people passes for what someone did at another school. A school that just went 16-0 last year.

Kind of what I expected in this one. NC’s qb struggled to be consistently accurate, otherwise this is a completely different game. Crosby busted several coverages early in the game and Childress couldn’t put it on them, that was compounded by some untimely drops by his receivers. NC has about a legit a secondary as you’re going to find in the Houston area, where Crosby had an advantage was at the line of scrimmage and qb play. Shout out to the Code Red defense. NC had four drives in the first half that started at the 50 yardline or in Crosby territory and the Cougars held on three, including one that started inside our own 10 yard line. There are some thing to clean up on the back end but I’ll go ahead and say this is at no worse the second best defense Coach Riordan has had during his tenure at Crosby. As long as everybody can stay healthy the offense will probably average somewhere between 37ppg and 43ppg, Crosby missed a couple tonight but NC’s defense is also pretty good. All in all a pretty impressive win for Crosby considering the level of athlete NC put on the field.

I agree NC's strength will be their secondary but that's a huge hit losing McGlothern to CHTC. What's probably even more of an issue is having to play Childress at qb after losing Cooper, great athlete but is going to struggle to throw the ball consistently with any accuracy. I would say position group by position group that there might be some ties but I don't see NC with an advantage anywhere from the scrimmage film I've seen. I don't think Crosby will have much trouble with NC in the trenches either. NC is notorious for slow starts to the season and I think getting Crosby right out of the gate vs getting fired up to play a 9-0 Crosby at the end of the season is a disadvantage for NC. As far as the rb's, we just plug and play. We go three deep at the rb position but I think #24, Noel Wright, is going to be an FBS caliber back when its all said and done. He should easily hit the 1k yard mark barring injuries. Crosby is very capable of coming out like last year and trying to go through the motions and getting beat. This year's team plays for each other though, so I don't see that happening. I definitely don't see Crosby's starters giving up 38 on defense, nor do I see the offense being held to 28 by anyone on the current schedule. I think it's going to be a dogfight for at least a half but I think Crosby eventually pulls away by a couple of tds.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. Angleton is extremely physical and player for player probably the best team we would line up with even if we were to make a state championship run. Angleton moved it well on Crosby during the controlled portion of the scrimmage but I think one of the instances you’re talking about them moving it through the air was #11 catching that TD over the middle? QB was looking back of the end zone and most likely a pick but #11 jumped up underneath and caught it. QB made some good throws and looks a lot better since we played him as a freshman. Crosby is breaking in new rbs and o-linemen, it was going to be learning curve regardless. Y’all made it damn near impossible to run the ball, so scoring off screens when you’re caught in blitzes is what we do. I would argue Crosby missed two more scoring opportunities when the qb underthrew a wide open #10 down the sideline in the controlled potion and also in the live portion when he threw the screen into the dirt when Crosby had y’all caught blitzing again. You can put those on the board a couple weeks from now. Deep threat that wasn’t playing would’ve helped but oh well. Good scrimmage by both teams, most importantly nobody got hurt that I saw. I would say Angleton looked a little better than Crosby at his point in the season, still very optimistic about where I think Crosby can end up if we improve on couple of things.

1. Crosby - On paper we won't have the high end talent of years past but as a Crosby fan you almost have to be giddy over the depth and pure athleticism the Cougars will put on the field. Two biggest question marks will be how the new DC covers up some of the size deficiency we have on the d-line and if Martin/Clay can supplement what we lost in the run game with Williams' graduation? Passing game should be even better than last year with the addition of Doucett. Crosby gets what might be their toughest test of the season right out of the box against New Caney who probably has the best secondary in the entire Houston area and will be the most athletic team on Crosby's schedule besides Manvel. 2. Barbers Hill - BH still has issues with physicality and speed. I'm picking them second because there isn't much of either in this district. I'm not a big believer in t-shirt football but BH's transfer qb carved PNG up during their 7 on 7 match in Crosby earlier this summer. He's a little thicker and mobility definitely won't be his strong suit but he can spin it, he should be BH's best signal caller since Kaleb Denny. If BH finishes any lower than 3rd in this district after missing the playoffs all together last year I think BH fans have to start asking how long "the process" is really going to take under TW? 3. Nederland - In a district that will be a week to week grind, Ned might just be the best grinder in the district. Without Latulas I really don't see Ned being able to score enough points to be a factor. However, they always seems to have just enough defense to salvage their season and make the most of it. I'm picking them 3rd simply because I think they'll beat PNG in MCM. 4. PNG - I'm picking them 4th because it's RJ, a lineman and nothing else. To call Crosby's 2017 defense trash would be a compliment, them Indians were right there with us though. Crosby got a new DC, brought back 8 starters from a young defense and added a couple of free agents to bolster the depth. I think PNG's plan for fixing their defense is just hoping RJ doesn't get hurt. Kid will probably end his high school career with close to 800 career carries, that's insane. That being said, you always have a chance with #2 back there pulling the trigger. 5. Dayton - To be honest I'm probably just putting Dayton here in the hopes that fans will start coming to their games again. Otherwise, Dayton's good 'ole boy network might finally get tired of watching them get handled by their traditional opponents during this alignment. Love Santee toting the mail but what happened to all those receivers Dayton used to grow on trees? On top of that, the Broncos had an even worse defense than PNG and Crosby and didn't look to have any reinforcement coming. Dayton is the true wildcard of the district, I think they can finish anywhere from 3rd to 7th. 6. Vidor - Four of the five teams mentioned above are just going to line up and throw it around the yard . . . while Vidor is still trying to figure out what a forward pass is, how to complete one and how to cover one. The Pirates have the type offense that can befuddle teams but I think pretty much everybody above(Dayton?) has seen enough of it to mitigate any real problems it might cause. I just think the boys from the Boneyard will run out of gas covering go routes all district long. It's one thing to get hyped up for a bi-district playoff game, it's another to play those games every other week. Matthews just never changes anything, I think BH has shown change isn't necessarily a bad thing? 7. Santa Fe - I hope people realize this isn't your mom's green Indians? If you get caught sleeping at the wheel you will get beat. Howard or Johnson should win the district MVP with the other being the fist team all-district qb. Kruger will be the second team all-district qb though. Santa Fe has good size on the offensive line and rather decent receivers for an average talent 5A squad. They too struggle on defense but they've also been in a district with Manvel and FB Marshall the last couple of years. To put it in perspective, they missed the playoffs because of a 7 point loss(48-41) to Texas City in a game they probably should've won. 8. Baytown Lee - I think Kiki Davis would probably lead the district in rushing this year if he didn't play for Lee. Woosley is an athlete at qb position and likely an FBS caliber talent but he also plays in GCCISD. Before we reach the halfway mark in the season Lee fans will probably be more interested in futbol than football, for whatever reason nobody in Baytown can get it figured out. Sucks for town that's just waiting for someone to get behind but with Baytown's studs starting to transfer to Crosby and La Porte if might get worse before it gets better.

I’m not a big believer in touch football but I tell you what. BH is straight giving it to PNG right now. BH looks a lot more physically impressive than PNG. BH receivers just line up and run right past PNG’s dbs. I know RJ’s number one feature is his legs and he can’t use them in 7 on 7 but if this is all PNG will put on the field for him to throw to it could be a long year if the district has some decent defenses. PNG has one fast kid and no size. I think the best the can hope for is probably a third place finish, maybe fourth.

What do you consider being heavily recruited. I don't even see a 247 page for either. They usually create one for you if you're even on enough FCS team's radar. I do see Orebo is committed to Sam Houston as a power forward for basketball though.

You said multiple times the '17 team was the best in school history and kept putting up some contrived metric to try to prove it. I'm sure there still several of those post on here to be found. Now you're crawfishing saying you just were talking about the offense which is bs, ALL you talked about was where Maxpreps had Crosby ranked vs the '13 team's final ranking. Craig is ranked 348th in the country, what the heck are you talking about a top 150 player in the country? The most dominant back and maybe player to ever put on pads at Crosby was Austin Walter who ran for over 6,000 career yards and was ranked 984th overall in the country. Who needs that? Obviously we didn't because Craig and Austin's best years we have a combined total of 1 playoff win. We got 4 in '14 with two juco backs and Craig only running for 900 yards. We NEVER have D1 backs until somebody offers them and decides thy're D1. We didn't have any D1 receivers until New Mexico offered Patterson either. Kind of a duh statement coming from a teacher. You probably had a front row seat to Haynes and Beck because you couldn't play. No Howard isn't Haynes, as a prospect Howard is better. Haynes was 5-10 pocket passer with average mobility which is why after going in the THSF record books he still signed with North Texas and couldn't really make any headway there. Howard will sign with a G5 school just like Haynes did and will have a higher recruiting grade when he does. Dude, Beck was a 5-7 slot receiver that probably averaged 15 targets per game. You don't got for over 2,200 receiving yards and still go to juco if you're truly on that level. Crosby has had numerous slot receivers under Riordan who could've done what Beck did in that style offense, namely kids like Vernon Allen and Teryl Wiley. Where do you get off talking about a kid not playing within/not within the system? Do you have any experience calling plays under Riordan? That's one of the most asinine statements I've seen you make on here. As far as overall single season statistics season go Howard has the second best behind Haynes' year. If he stays healthy he's going to set all the career passing records at Crosby next year. 247sports individual rankings dropped RJ down to a 3-star prospect even after the season he had, that's all I'm going to say about that. I wish him well. When I speak of team speed I'm talking about the entire team, even the kids that will be rotating in. Funny how you mention Netherly and Craig with those other guys yet the current 4x100 team with Doucette and Clay is the one .4 or .5 off PAM state leading time, not the one with Perry and Pickney. You're over here talking about Woodard who's going probably going to struggle to stay on the field with the addition of Doucette and the emergence of Ayala, who can fly, as long as he holds on to the ball. As always, my points will be proven during the season. People mock you when they run out of ammunition to prove their point, kind of like your posts. After that it slowly moves to disdain for you posting facts and statistics that prove you stance. One thing I know is that your team evaluations are further off than any other Crosby poster on this site.

Doucette is cleared. However, Calvin Hill transferred back to Sterling Monday. Feels like a tough loss for a kid that never suited up.

Update on a fluid situation: Based on some new information, I would go ahead and consider Calvin Hill to Crosby a done deal. Crosby may have lost Craig Williams but we just picked up Austin Walter 2.0. Based on the work he did in 21-6A as a junior I would expect Hill to average over 200 rushing ypg in the new 5A-D2. HUDL film of the top back in the SETX coverage area: [Hidden Content]

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I know you're a teacher at the school so you think you know things, but one question. How did that best team in Crosby history thing work out for you last year? Go look at the final rankings now compared to the 2013 season and you'll see exactly what I was trying to explain to you and why your ranking system was flawed. Who cares if we have Craig? Other than the Twins senior year the most effective we've run the ball under Riordan was in 2014 when we didn't even have a 1,000 yard rusher for the first time in over a decade. Craig's senior year was very nice, Austin Walter still blew every single season number Craig posted this year away except for tds. Calvin Hill would no doubt be a help but effectively running that ball doesn't depend on having a stud running back. Odd you say that if Howard tries to do too much he will kill any chance to win but RJ and PNG does absolutely everything and you say as long as PNG has him their the favorite. Statements seem conflicted to me. Howard makes better decisions with the football than any other qb we've had since Kellen Haynes. You probably weren't even watching Crosby football back then though? PNG struggled to score 24 points on 4-6 Texas City the week after they beat Crosby. That goes to show we had a defense problem, not a PNG is great because of RJ issue. As far as a faster team, name one? Clay and Simon are faster than any backs we've had under Riordan other than Craig, the Twins were 4.65 kids. The receiving core goes about 6 deep with kids that can get down the field except for Fagnana but he probably has the best hands on the team. Please don't say we were faster with Hill and Hudson, they were big but neither could probably break mid-4.6/4.7. I guess I'll just have to prove that to you when the season starts, even though I get daily workout reports.

Update on the reporting from yesterday afternoon. The leading rusher in the SETX coverage area, Calvin Hill, is now enrolled in Crosby High School. Paperwork still needing to be approved. I will also report that this may not even be the biggest move Crosby makes.

When has that not been the way Crosby has played offense? We've always had somebody to hand it to and somebody to throw it to. I will report that we just received news that the paperwork got approved for a transfer receiver that's rated even higher than Patterson was and should be Howard's top target this year, kid is the truth from what I've seen so far. We lost Craig but don't be surprised if the two running backs that replace him both rush for over 1,000 yards. From the offensive skill standpoint, this looks to be the fastest team Crosby will put on the field since Riordan has taken over. Not saying we'll average over 50 for the third time under Rio, but as usual points won't be the problem. We knew the defense would be bad before the season started but I don't think anybody knew it would be the worst in school history, or at least that I can remember. Luckily those youngsters gained some experience and should only improve. We also picked up our usual haul of free agents that should infuse the defense with more speed and talent. It's a big IF, but if Crosby can figure our how to at least slow teams down on the defensive side of the ball they should be pretty dangerous with the skill players we have. As for Barbers Hill, I like the new qb transfer y'all got from Clear Falls. Don't think he's the runner that Cauthen was but he looks like he can throw the deep ball pretty well which is all BH does now anyway. BH also has a trio of returning receivers that should be competing for all district spots to go with Spencer Long who's pretty solid when given an opportunity. That being said, if this new qb doesn't pan out I could see BH missing the playoffs again. I would imagine some of the shine starts wearing off Westeberg at that point. *Don't take too much stock in those jv games. Crosby has won or shared four consecutive district championships and our jv probably hasn't won over four games in any of those seasons.

What you fail to realize is that Johnson would play nearly ever snap, even in blowouts. Heard played about half the games most of the season and wasn’t just a one man show, he had help at the running back position. Also, look at Guyer’s schedule vs what PNG plays. Ehlinger only played one more game than RJ his junior year and dwarfed his passing numbers with teams like Lake Travis and North Shore on the schedule. He too was pulled a lot due to Westlake blowing people out that year. RJ has a long way to go before he can throw the ball efficiently at the next level, will probably be third or fourth in the qb room as far as pure passers go unless Beuchele transfers. Remember 247 sports had Jalen Hurts ranked the #1 dual-threat in the country and now he doesn’t have a job because of his passing ability, even though people raved about it in high school. Not saying he won’t get a lot better but he’s a ways off a kid like Spencer Sanders who I think would be Herman’s JT Barrett/Braxton Miller type qb.

Crosby plays New Caney week 1 and Manvel week 2

Why would it? RJ is a great player but you do realize he's actually ranked lower than Heard was. Heard came off back to back 2000/2000 rushing and passing seasons to go with back to back state titles. I highly doubt he was more anticipated than Ehlinger who committed coming off a season where he threw for almost 4,000 yards and 50tds while rushing for over 1,300 and played less than ten miles from DKR. He wasn't even UT's top choice this recruiting cycle. They were hard on a kid named Spencer Rattler but he committed to OU in June of last year which allowed RJ to commit to Texas the following month in July. Texas just also signed Cameron Rising out of California who's been hurt the last couple of seasons but also threw for about 4,000 yards as a sophomore to go with 40tds and 1 pick. Probably a 5* talent if healthy all through high school. Tough qb room at Texas but in all likelihood it's Ehlinger's job for the foreseeable future.

I like your work and I prefer not to disagree with Crosby people but I still don’t get it? Try to forget the factors and do a basic drill. Using your theory Crosby could play WOS(54) ten times and win all ten by 3 points, then they could play North Shore(71) ten times, win nine by 3 points, lose once by 1 point and be a weaker team using your grading system which just isn’t right. Bottom four of the district were 10-30 in 2013, district’s bottom four will finish 8-27 this year because of some missed games but the bottle is still the bottom. Some of the names have just changed. If you’re factoring in Willis then LCM should hurt even more. What I’ve found from a little research is that you get super-penalized for first or second round losses which is why Crosby is getting more credit for beating Jasper this year than Nederland that year. If you used the numbers during the season, which I don’t think there’s a way to get, you get a more apples to apples comparison for how you’re scoring the teams. For instance, NC(234) who is currently second in our district is ranked 110 spots behind Tomball Memorial(124) who they lost to 58-46 and might not make the playoffs in their district. NC’s(6-2) schedule is nowhere near the strength of TM’s(5-3) and they’ve already lost to them which is currently reflected, however NC could beat Nederland or Central in the first round and end up ranked ahead of TM because TM will draw Cedar Park and lose in the first round which won’t be and isn’t reflected in your math trying to compare across years. End of the day just do the eye test if you actually saw those games back then. This year our second place team just got beat by 28. Our third place team lost by 28 to them and our fourth rep. who will probably end up finishing second lost to KP and had to squeak by Dayton on a dropped TD. BH was a salty 6-4 and stayed home with a good team that year. That far easier comment makes me wonder what you saw back then that I didn’t? All that being said the district went 3-1 in the opening round that year and I truly think we’ll go 3-1 again this year as long as BH is healthy going into their matchup with PNG. I’m not saying this team can’t end up as maybe even Crosby’s best team but those 2013 kids were the ones who started the hype train and hashtags. They just ran into #4 SC in district and #6 Elgin in the second round. I agree though, here’s to hoping Crosby outperforms any data gathered.

I see what your numbers say but the schedule was not easier in 2013. To open the season Crosby played a Nederland team coming off a 12-2 regional final appearance who eventually finished the season as undefeated district champs and went 10-2. That Nederland team had the #3 defensive tackle recruit in the country and probably had the best run defense in the region in '13, the Twins just shredded them. During district play they lined up with a Summer Creek squad that I believe was ranked #4 in the state at the time qb'd by UCLA commit Aaron Sharp and gave up 63 in an L. Crosby snuck by a Dayton team that eventually lost in the second round by one point to state finalist Brenham on a missed xp. The score doesn't reflect it but the Jim Holley coached KP team Crosby beat by 24 that year was better than the Jim Holley coached Porter team Crosby only beat by 7 this year. KP had a 100m state finalist at receiver, their qb was a stud and signed with UTSA and they had a big TE Jordan Feuerbacher who just scored twice for Baylor this weekend. I believe CE King only won like 3 games that year with future Texas A&M 1,000 yard freshman running back Trey Williams, I think they would be competing for the 4th spot in this current district instead of finishing 6th like they did that year. Another fallacy I see in the rankings is that they rank 7-2 4A-D2 Jasper(166) over where they would rank a 10-2 5A district champ in Nederland(240). Same for a Dayton(334) squad that lost by one point to a 5A state finalist in the area playoffs vs an LCM(308) squad that probably wouldn't win a game in this district. SC finished 11-1 that year and was ranked #166. For whatever reason the Maxpreps algorithms don't look kindly on any losses until you reach 6A or lose to a 6A. Overall in 2013 Crosby's offense was better, the defense was a little better and the schedule was harder. District has nowhere near the game-changers it had back then either. FB Marshall is probably better than that Elgin team we lost to by 28 that year but if we don't fumble multiple times in the rematch this team may still be good enough to win, at which point Crosby would draw Hutto who is even better than the regional final team we beat.

Just for clarification, I think the season you’re referring to is the ‘03 season when Phillip Beck put up 2,202 receiving(second most in Texas history). 2004 is the only time the last 15 years Crosby missed the playoffs. In 2013 Crosby had a better offense than the current version based on points per play which is the metric you would use to gauge explosiveness. They averaged 3 more yards per completion and 3.5 more yards per carry, as a team they averaged right at 600 yards per game and 54.5 points during the regular season while this version averages a shade under 53 points and about 545 yards per game. At this same point in that season Austin Walter had only one carry more than Craig but had already rushed for 2,085 yards, finished the season averaging 13.5ypc. Just felt like those kids should get their due. I will say this version of Crosby is the most dynamic in terms of ways they can score but that was always going to be the case with #7 at qb.

If Crosby is under the cutoff it will be the first and only time they skirt the line. Crosby is growing much faster than the cutoff number will go up. For example, the D1 cutoff would've been 1,735 last alignment and Crosby would've fallen well short. Even though Crosby would get to play in what will definitely be the most watered down class in the state in 5A-D2 all it would be doing is delaying the inevitable. The goal is to get the program to the point where you can consistently compete and hopefully beat schools like Manvel, Foster, Angleton and now FB Hightower who just dropped down. Playing against schools like PNG, Ned, Dayton and BH won't do that. It's fine for those schools because they're going to play in D2 for the foreseeable future but for a school that could be skirting the 6A cutoff by the time our current 7th graders graduate it's a different story. Crappy part of being D1 is that Crosby most likely gets put into a district with the Houston ISD schools but I would argue playing schools like The Heights a couple of years back still gets you more ready to play a Ridge Point than playing Vidor does. Going D2 would be great for the community as it would allow us to pile up more wins than the 10+ we are currently averaging per season under Riordan, but as someone who is about to have another son come through the program I would like him and his teammates be as prepared as possible to compete with the upper echelon teams.

I hope so. A couple months ago after we played Jasper you and WOSgrad were sharing each other's spit cup saying stuff like the "emperor has no clothes" and "if Japser would've fumbled 11 instead of 13 times they would've beat Crosby." 54ppg later those comments are laughable. You've been wrong about almost everything you've said about Crosby leading up to and during the season except that Crosby would win the district. Another thing you were right about is when you told me, "Face it, Crosby isn't as good as you want them to be." Boy you were right about that because they're even better than I thought. I would want me to stop pointing out fallacies like that too. Just remember, when you make 5 post about Crosby, 3 or 4 of them are usually wrong. When I make 5 post about Crosby it becomes a hot topic. *P.S: Congratulations to Jeff Riordan who will be picking up his 60th career coaching win in 6th season when Crosby travels to Humble next week.

It's even funnier how you point to what kids did that are almost 40 years old now, none of the current kids on the team were even alive then. I guess when you play in the same stadium that's relevant though. Anybody that looks knows Ned had those four good years in the late 90's and the early 2000's when they first hired Neumann and have been pretty meh since, besides the three years with Washington. All you would have to do to find out where the programs are now is ask any coach with options where he would rather coach. Crosby and Nederland are currently two programs with completely different ceilings.

TexBuzz does all that work to provide some actual thought provoking information to the board, never said a coarse word about anybody in your district, and all you can muster for a response as a moderator is "All that and probably another second round exit."? Then somebody else makes a point about Nederland and you reply about them making runs? I'd imagine what you meant to say is Nederland has only made it past the second round twice in the last 14 years when they had Deshaun Washington. You should've also thrown in that in the last decade Nederland has missed the playoffs or lost in the first round 6 times, including as the district champion to 4th place Kingwood Park. You will also lose in the first round again this year to Jim Holley and Porter like you did the last time you faced him at KP. That's what I call the definition of mediocre versus the boat you try to put Crosby in for losing one first round game the last decade. Crazy that as a moderator you even felt the need to get on a Crosby thread give a myopic response to a new, solid poster, that brings research and data to the "Everybody gets a trophy" board.