CardinalBacker

Bingo! The problem is that the murder didn't occur until they were struggling over the gun. Is your contention that no laws were broken, but they are somehow guilty of murder because a man died trying to wrestle a legally held gun away from them?

I guess I'm confused. Does a person have the right to possess a gun in public in Georgia? Yes. Do you have a right to ask someone to stop? Sure. No harm, no foul... Is it true that a citizen has the right to affect a citizens' arrest... sure if they meet certain requirements.... if those requirements aren't met, then the person affecting that arrest would face civil and possibly criminal charges. While we all agree that those three guys were stupid, at what point is a law broken?

But I agree that this case is nothing like the Rittenhouse one. Not comparable.

My opinion, FWIW... I think sometimes police officers (like a lot of professionals) believe that any attempt by a citizen to work on their own plumbing, wiring, or protect their own property is best left to the pros. Sometimes I think that might influence opinions coming from law enforcement professionals like yourself. My problem with your "threaten to use deadly force" argument is that these guys (like a every cop) was legally carrying a firearm. Is that reason enough for anyone (like Mr. Arbery) to attack them? Not wanting to talk crap about the dearly departed, but the fact remains that the guy was literally just rummaging through a construction site, running down the street while obviously not dressed as a jogger, and fleeing from people trying to stop him. All of which LEOs would call "probable cause." Not to mention the fact that he literally attacked the three men on trial. We tend to lose sight of the departed's contributions to the eventual outcome just because he's gone. But that's just human nature. I live down a private road. It's obviously not county maintained. There are 3 signs at the highway pointing out that this is private property, yet we still have people wheel in about once a month, turn around, then leave. A true story is that last summer I was out mowing behind the house and a truck that I didn't recognize pulled in with an empty trailer. Drove really slowly past my place, the neighbors place, and eventually turned around in a yard at the very end of the drive. You know, probably just looking for something easy to load up and go sell. They were slowly easing back down the private drive towards the highway and I made it a point to ride my mower back up to the front front yard to ask them what they needed... just letting them know that if they had no business down there, they shouldn't be there. It's important to note that I always keep a pistol on me when I mow for snakes and stuff. By your logic, if those boys had jumped out and attacked me (as methheads often do) and I used my pistol, I'd be charged for murder. Before you say "but you were on private property," yes, but not mine. The driveway actually exists on my neighbors' property.

This one went to the jury today... I've not paid nearly as much attention to it as I have to some of the others. My gut feeling is that these three probably will be rightfully convicted of something... not sure if murder is the case, though. At least the father/son duo. I'm not sold on the guy filming being responsible. Any thoughts?

BUT, if you go out breaking windows, setting fires, and assaulting people you should kinda expect to get your head blown off, too, right? It's a possibility at least. I mean, if those boys weren't out breaking multitudes of laws, they'd still be alive, too.

Supposedly a BLM supporter as well... but it's hard to differentiate a BLM supporter from a career criminal/sex offender because it's becoming obvious that most career criminal/sex offenders/defend the po-pos are die-hard BLM supporters.

Here's the problem... it's a no-win situation for the police. Criminals put them in the position of having to make split second decisions under the most extreme circumstances possible, then we criticize their judgment from the safety of our bathroom with the benefit of 7 different camera angles, slow motion, relevant facts (like whether or not it's the correct vehicle), etc... When there was literally just a shooting at a football game a block away. I personally think that police aren't given enough leeway when it comes to being charged for decisions made on the job. But that's just me.

I know a guy who worked at a hospital in Tyler that actually had a TB ward. One day a guy was brought in that had TB (of course), but he also tested positive for HIV, Hepatitis C, Syphillis, and a nasty cold. The doctor that admitted him prescribed protease inhibitors for the HIV, IV antibiotics, steroids, an anti fungal, and a strict diet of pizza and pancakes. They nurses were like “ok, that makes sense… except for the diet… what’s up with that?” And the doctor said “that’s all we can slide under the door to him.”

I lost a lot of faith in juries when they hammered Derek Chauvin in Minneapolis. It didn't even make any sense. I mean, you could make an argument for manslaughter, but some of the other crimes for which he was convicted didn't even meet the definition of the charge. They just wanted to throw the book at somebody. I wouldn't be too surprised if they convict this kid for murder. Somebody (or somebodies) is sticking to their guns or we'd already have a verdict. It's either a knucklehead or two thinking he's innocent or a knucklehead or two wanting to see him acquitted. At this point I'm thinking that we'll see a mistrial.

Confirmation Bias... if you want to find somebody to give you "facts" to support what you already believe, the internet is a great place. You could get sick and eat a straight diet of Reese's peanut butter cups and if you recover, was it the Reese's that did the trick?

It's obvious that the vaccine won't keep you from catching Covid, and it won't keep you from transmitting it, either. It's also obvious that you can catch it multiple times. About the only positive thing that I can come up with is that apparently vaccinated people require hospitalization or die at a rate that is almost 100x lower than people who have not be vaccinated. Does that mean that it can still rip through a nursing home and kill 8 vaccinated elderlies? Yes, it can... but across the board people who have been vaccinated are doing better.

We met some kids to sell a four wheeler at Walmart in Liberty. They were out of Houston. There were two of us and three of them. The guy who "knew about four wheelers" took if four a spin around the parking lot, then the guy who was actually buying it was gonna take it for a spin. He hopped on, then stopped and handed his pistola to one of his friends for safekeeping. We were laughing because I'm pretty sure that everybody was armed. It's also kinda funny how people don't realize what you're doing tactically. There's a reason that I'm off to the side... and it's not social distancing, lol.

We buy and sell a lot of stuff online. Never, ever at your house.... always someplace public. Take somebody with you. Exercise your 2A... trust me, the other guy is carrying his.

I think the timing is right locally with the disease being all but eliminated in our area. I guess the real question is whether or not there will be another surge. My hope is that the disease will continue to mutate and lose its punch, so to speak. This last round was a lot worse as far as transmissions, but the rate of fatalities was actually lower than the first round. I hope that trend continues, because I think it's safe to say that it's not going completely away in the near future. I'm also convinced that the vaccines(s) aren't nearly as good as we'd all hoped. Big pharma is making too much money, and too much of it is going back to politicians. I'm not surprised that they're now looking at a third shot... there were four spots on my vax card, not just two.

Dang.

I’m pulling for Coach Rowe in this one.

Don't quote me on this, but I read (don't judge me) that the guy with the pistol who got shot was actually a felon and illegally carrying HIS firearm. I'd like to see that from a reputable source, though.

It's from an episode of Southpark. A minority family moved into town and somebody suggested burning a lower case t for "tolerance." The stuff those guys get away with is unbelievable.

I don't know.... our kids have been having problems with everybody this year. I don't think y'all should feel special. Our kids were up big against Tarkington in BC and still starting fights... I'm not sure what to think of it.

It's from Southpark. The point being made is that you have free speech protection if you want to burn the American flag on the courthouse steps, but if you burn a cross in your own back yard you can go to prison for doing so.

Heck, burning an American flag is protected free speech. Burning a lower case "t" is a federal crime. Go figure.

Here’s the deal… some people say that the democrat party made a switch about 60 years ago and went from being the party of the white supremacists to becoming the party of minorities. Nobody can actually point to exactly when this change occurred. I disagree, and here’s why. I believe that there was no switch, but rather the Democrat party is simply the party of bigger government/higher taxes, and their bread and butter has always been racial politics. When it became obvious that it was no longer possible to motivate white people to vote D based on racial preferences, they had to decide who else would feel strongly enough about issues of race and that’s where you get the push for minorities from the 60s or so forward. But there’s no difference between a Democrat in a seersucker suit down south in the ‘30s hollering about race and a Democrat in a brightly colored suit yelling about race in 2021. I also think that’s why you’ve seen the small group of actual white supremacists move towards the republicans over the last few decades… they just don’t want to be a part of what is seen as the “minority” party, so they end up moving towards the Republican who don’t want them. You can look back forever and see that the republicans have always been for smaller government, pro-business, and on the moral side of every social issue from slavery to abortion.

Guy got beat up, no doubt. The question is whether or not it was racially motivated. Just because the perpetrator was white doesn't make it a hate crime. If you want to end racial violence, I'd support a 2 year mandatory minimum sentence for any attack on someone of another race. You'd almost completely stop having attacks like this (or the reverse... black on white violence) overnight. Except somebody would come along and point out that many more blacks are in prison because of the new hate crime punishment and suddenly the law would be racist because of the "disparate outcome." My biggest fear is that we're going to start seeing more and more of this. I remember thinking back when that racist in SC shot up the black church that this might be the start of something ugly. I don't understand how demonizing the entire white race (and system as a whole) is going to make young white kids feel warm and fuzzy towards people who are falsely accusing them of racism. I was telling my dad back in 2012 that I was worried that someone would try to assassinate Obama. His point was that anybody who felt strongly enough about race to want to kill somebody over it was likely too old to do anything about it. I don't think he was wrong. My fear is that the narratives being pushed today are obviously leading to more hatred and division, not reconciliation. Nobody wants white kids to be "colorblind" anymore. You have to accept that you are a filthy racist and everything that you've accomplished has nothing to do with your work ethic... it's because you're a dirty white racist.

Any chance y’all plan on resting all of your starters?