CardinalBacker

It has been a buzzword since the first one that has happened in my lifetime happened last week upon the President's instruction because he doesn't want to cede the throne. I didn't put the Dems in power. Trump did. Anybody that can't see it is blind.

You are mistaken. [Hidden Content] That's exactly one of about fifty things that he said that morning that would qualify as incitement. If I'm wrong he doesn't have anything to worry about from the impeachment proceedings. Lol.

You mean a private company is completely different than a private company. I get it.

Do you remember when Trump called Mrs. Cruz ugly? That darned Trump! He's rude and crude, but look what he did for the economy before it fell apart.

Trump told them to go fight. They did. "if you don't go fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore" to quote specifically. Trump told them to go fight. They marched down the street and they did. 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection U.S. Code Notes prev | next Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.) The end.

Isn't it crazy how we all feel like bakers should have the right to deny service to anybody that they want, but tech companies can't?

There's no violation of free speech. The government wasn't involved and did nothing to restrict anyone's speech. Now you might find ample grounds to prove that an anti-trust breakup is needed, but you'll need a sympathetic Justice Department to do that.

Okay... If I stand up in Tinseltown and scream "Fire!!!!" I don't get to claim "oh, shucks... I never told anybody to trample anybody." It's the same thing here. When you tell a crowd that they need to be strong, to be tough, they need to fight, and to go down there and stop them from stealing this election" and then the crown promptly goes down and fights the cops, smashes stuff, and tries to stop Congress from certifying the electoral votes.... It is on you. Did Charles Manson murder anybody himself? Nope.... but he dang sure spent the rest of his life in prison.

2001 (Bush/Gore), 2005 (Bush/Kerry), and 2017 (Trump/Clinton)

That's not true. Nobody is claiming that Trump won the popular vote. Just that he would have won those swing states. Isn't it crazy how there wasn't any fraud in the other 46, just the ones Trump needed? Lol.

He didn't ask to overturn anything. He was asking for a ten-day period to audit mail in ballots in those battlegound states, and if there were improprieties, figure where to go from there. If there were no wide-scale improprieties, the electoral votes would be certified. Don't get me wrong... I'd like to see such a thing (although I have no idea about its constitutionality) so that IF there was widespread fraud, it would be brought to light, and if there wasn't widespread fraud, then it would be proven, too. At least that's my understanding of what was happening. BTW... the Dems object to the certification every time a Republican is elected. Un-bunch your unmentionables.

I really thought that's where he was headed before last week. I suspected that he'd launch a news network and be a presence instead of running again. I don't think anybody will touch him with a ten-foot pole right now. There's no way he could even launch an app at this stage. He's going to be doing his best to stay out of prison at the rate he's going. If he does end up impeached and convicted by the senate, he won't be running for any more offices. Prosecutors in NY State want him bad, and I suspect that he'll spend the rest of his life in and out of courtrooms. The phone call made to Georgia's SOS could also find him under federal indictment, I suspect. He really messed himself up post election.... badly.

That video I posted was just a condensed version of the things that he was telling people that morning. Trump didn't have to be standing there going "punch that cop! Now kick that one! Break that window! Now hit that one with your fire extinguisher!" Although I'm pretty sure that you still wouldn't have a problem with that, either. You can look at the things Rudolph said that morning "give them trial by combat" or the things Jr said. They all three worked together, not unlike a coach's pregame speech and the end result was the insurrection that occurred that morning. You don't have to agree. It's the truth.

I've been saying for weeks that this was going to happen if Trump kept alleging that the election was stolen without any evidence. It's completely predictable. But to be specific, when Trump held a rally on the morning on 1/6/2021 (as congress was counting electoral votes) and told his supporters to march on Congress and (pick any one of about fifty different inflammatory remarks that he made that morning), and then the crowd actually DOES walk down the street and do x,y, and z...... that's how you get charged with inciting an insurrection or whatever. Watch the following clip and try to determine if it would sound like incitement to a reasonable person, especially in light of what actually happened.

Ummmm.... the riot itself. Or do your news sources deny that anything happened in Washington last week?

There's more to life than the Dow, my friend. Maybe you're satisfied with all that has transpired BESIDES the economy (highest deficits ever, runaway spending, the loss of Republican representation in all branches of congress and the executive branch), but I'm not. I know that you're trying really hard to paint me into a Bill Clinton box, but that's not what I said. I would prefer a president who was capable of working with Congress... both sides. Not like during the last eight years. Washington exists so that our representatives can iron out our differences. All that we've seen for years is complete gridlock, with neither side able to advance any agenda unless they are in total control. I saw a friend post on Babin's fb page a couple of years ago... "now go up there and don't back down! Don't give an inch!" Really? So how is that supposed to work? Once a side is in complete control, they can just bludgeon the other guys until they lose a chamber, then it's 100% obstruction until somebody once again gains all of the marbles, at which time the ruling party can cram whatever they want down the other sides' throats? Imagine a marriage where neither side would give an inch. Imagine a business partnership where neither partner would bend any, ever. What would happen? Divorce, bankruptcy... utter failure. But that's the American way of legislating for the last decade and a half. Any capitulation is a sign of weakness, and the supporters of that legislator is hung out to dry. It's what has gotten us to where we are... getting closer to a civil war... and Donald Trump only sped that process up. BTW... We all did pretty well financially during Clinton's EIGHT years in office, if my memory serves me correctly. And since that's all that matters about Trump's presidency (prosperity), then I guess you need to ease up Clinton, too.

Not big enough to win an election, apparently.

And then I agreed with you. There's a huge difference between saying "get out there and ruin somebody's dinner" and encouraging people to walk down the street and attack the Capitol building in an effort to usurp our election process. Besides that, you have no real EVIDENCE that her talk would have or did lead to anybody's actions, much less if those actions would be legal or not. BTW, it's not illegal to interrupt someone's dinner or hassle them on the sidewalk. It IS illegal to murder a police officer like Trump's supporters did.

I hate to use the word "cult" but they are definitely removed from reality. Just last week I saw them beat a Capitol Police Officer to death with a fire extinguisher because the President directed them to bumrush Congress and overturn the results of our Presidential election. "But it was a perfect speech" the soon-to-be ex-President said yesterday. "YES!!!! PERFECT!!!!!" they all yelled in unison. "Stop the Steal!" "You won bigly, Sir!" they all yelled as one. "It's all fake news!" they responded as state after state was declared for Biden. "Everybody knows we won by hundreds of thousands of votes" Trump cried to the Republican Secretary of State in Georgia. "Just find me 11, 780 votes... are you going to help me?" Trump begged. "He's a TRAITOR!!!!" Trump's minions all yelled. "He was purchased by China! CHI-NA!!!!" they all exclaimed, with bare faces in displayed in protest of tyranny and nature, too. Yeah... I'm gonna go with cult.

Great. I agree. But there WAS at least one source that was favorable to the right. Guess what? Trump crapped all over them, too, and now his loyalists are boycotting them, too, because he said to. Mark that down as another Trump failure. He managed to do what Dems couldn’t do in 25 years. He sunk Fox News, thereby eliminating the only professional source for news coverage that wasn’t geared towards liberals. Now y’all are all on Parler trying to find articles like Reagan does. You know, the unsubstantiated rumors that he thrives on. “There were bus loads of Antifas! They brought truckloads of ballots from NY to PA! The guy in the Buffalo hat is married to Pelosi’s daughter!” You know that you’ve seen ‘em.

That’s what you guys have never understood... Trump BEGGED for negative coverage every chance he got! Whether it was by being a jerk or outright nasty to the media, up to and including his “friends” at Fox News. You can’t base your whole campaign and presidency on crapping all over the media, then cry like a little girl with a skinned knee when they don’t paint a pretty picture of you. Jesus. It’s not hard to figure out. The path Trump chose to get to the presidency was by being the outsider, the guy that Washington and the media hated. Now both trump and his followers are crying because nobody in Washington will pretend he won and the media is out to get him are the reasons that he lost. No, it was a horrible strategy and it backfired. The sad thing is that some low informed voters still think that he’s awesome. The whole episode has been a disaster.

Correction. It’s a whole lot easier to prove if the riot happens. Which it did on Wednesday..... and it was worse than a riot. They tried to forcibly stop our election process by storming the chambers of congress while in session. Trump took office four years ago with control of the House and Senate, and less than four years later he sits facing a certain second impeachment this morning and a probable conviction in the Senate this time, having lost both chambers and the presidency in that short time. I know that y’all all still think he was the best president ever (because you keep repeating it as if it will somehow become true... kinda like baseless allegations of election fraud), but that’s an abject failure for himself and the party by any sane person.

For the same reason that a democratic socialist like Bernie Sanders can still pull down the same poll numbers... some people have extreme views. There’s no difference between a Bernie Bro and a Trump supporter. They both live in an imaginary world where reality is altered. Bernie’s guys think that you can seize 100% of profits from corporations and seize the wealth anybody who has more than the least of us and it’ll all work out peachy. Trumps loyalists believe he can poop all over people and still win every election bigly. You know... just because he’s rude and crude just means that you are a snowflake if you don’t vote for him. Logic like that. Both are delusional. I forgot my favorite Trumper claim!!! Just look at Joe Biden! He’s senile! The fact that he won is proof that there was cheating!!!!l” I’ve read that one over and over here.

The riot has to actually happen.

So let me get this straight. If you are conservative, then left is out to get you, and if you don’t support the rantings of a lunatic, his supporters will boycott you, too.... talk about a rock and hard place, huh? That sums up the reason that Trump was ineffective and eventually lost. The Dems don’t turn on each other, the republicans do. Whether it’s Rand Paul and his buddies deep-sixing the repeal of Obamacare or Trump and his followers savaging everyone who wouldn’t annoint Trump as president in spite of the vote tallies. I’ll bet that I’m more conservative than most of you, but I’m labeled all kinds of inaccurate things because I won’t pretend that Trump got screwed like the rest of you like to do. I’ll guarantee that a lot of Trumps “70 million voters” are just like me... not too sad to see him gone. That’s why the poll I posted earlier had him at 33% approval and 60% disapproval. People are just tired of his mess.