CardinalBacker

It's been really hard to explain to you what happened there. I can't tell if it's because you're incapable or just unwilling to understand the statistics. In 2016, there were 230 million eligible-aged voters in the US and 136 million turned out and voted. That's a participation rate of 59.5%. In 2020 we had 258 million eligible-aged voters in the US and 160 million actually voted. That's a participation rate of 62.0%. Statistics backed up by simple math. That's a "slightly larger turnout" but not at all unexpected based upon the divisiveness in our country today. [Hidden Content] Now, if you can think back to 2016, the big story was that the Democrats just didn't turn out and support Hillary like was expected. It's not like they voted for Trump, they just didn't show up and vote. The turnout was legitimate in 2020. The D's didn't turn out to vote for Biden, they turned out to vote against Trump. The fact that our voting participation has grown explains why Biden (and Trump, btw) got more votes than in previous elections. Newsflash.... Every single president elected has gotten more votes than any previous President. It's called population growth. You're getting hung up on the fact that Biden got more 20 million votes than previous candidates as fraud when in fact it's what had to happen. It's what's happened in every single presidential election up until now.

You mean this guy? [Hidden Content] J. Hutton Pulitzer, (aka "Commander Pulitzer") formerly known as J. Jovan Philylaw, a failed inventor and former treasure hunter by trade? Then by all means, let's just admit that Trump won immediately? Shoot maybe he can write a book about it. [Hidden Content] That's a list of books he's published. That's whose opinion you're quoting as fact. Y'all will literally believe anything. Anything.

NO. And here's why. In a state like Georgia where it's NOT 100% democrat controlled, you can't get away with widespread fraud. The head of elections in Georgia is a Republican. The Governor is Republican. The Secretary of State is Republican. I'm certain a large percentage of their local elections officials are Republicans. There were tons of poll workers that were Republicans. And whether you want to admit it or not, most Democrats are good people and won't stand for cheating, either. You can't pull off widespread fraud under those watchful eyes. It's the same in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, etc.... You MIGHT get away with fraud in an area where there are no checks/balances, but that's not the type of locations that we're talking about. There are people who were there (and voted for Trump) that say it didn't happen. There are people from all stations in life all of the way up to the US Attorney General who continue to say that widespread fraud didn't occur... but some people just can't accept that because some guy claims he drove a truckload of ballots from NYC to PA, then admits lying about it, then lies about lying about, then lies about lying about lying about it.... but he never managed to snap a picture of anything. But you'll accept his account at face value. Another point... If the election were to happen today, Trump would lose by 20 million plus votes.... he's just been that big of a douche in the aftermath. He's insulted everybody that voted for or against him at this point. The Democrats didn't win, they cheated. The Republicans are all sorry for not ignoring the law and election results by proclaiming Trump as the president... even if it means lying or disenfranchising millions and millions of legal votes. In Georgia Trump's team wanted to throw out every single mail-in ballot. That's was the hoped for outcome of their lawsuit.... each and every mail-in ballot gets tossed. No American Judge of any political affiliation is going to agree to that.

Its the same as the Republican Senate refusing to confirm Obama's Supreme court nominee in 2016 because "that should be left up to the next President," but rushing through Trump's nominee at the last minute in 2020. They are infinitely flexible when it suits their cause.

Oh, I agree that Russian Collusion was a lie. What happened to Kavanaugh was wrong as well.

I know...

There is literally zero evidence, unless you’re considering the allegations of fraud as your evidence. “B-b-but I read it on the internet!” Fraud everywhere.... four swing states, hundreds of thousands of votes, and not a single cell phone picture. Not even one. A camera in everybody’s hand 24/7, but not a single video clip or photo taken during the most “massive fraud” in US history is what we’re supposed to believe. The mayor of Beaumont can’t even get her nails done without somebody putting it on Snapchat, yet here we are two months later with zero proof of fraud. There were not just Republican election workers and observers, but even Republican elected officials overseeing elections in those states... but not a single one has presented anything. But they’re all traitors and have been attacked by Trump for not just “saying they recalculated” and given the race to Trump. What a joke.

That’s sad... the guy is like y’all in that he’ll believe any rumor or theory if it indicates that he was wronged. I remember back four years ago when Hillary lost by fewer votes than this and we all thought she was sorry for not conceding until the day after the election. Here we’ve got a guy that lost by 8 million votes, I can’t even remember how many electoral votes, and he’s still crying, whining, and pleading with the SOS in Georgia (which isn’t going to help him anyway) to just “find 11,780 votes” because a one-vote margin would be a wide enough margin if he won. It’s going to take several cycles for the Republican Party to recover from the damage he’s caused, I believe. Think about it.... Obama was the “hope and change” guy.... Trump is the big baby who couldn’t admit that he lost. Nobody (other than his die-hard loyalists like you) wants to be associated with him or his party. Today both senate seats in Georgia are going to be won by Democrats and they’ll have the Senate, too. The party that wins the WH almost always wins the following mid term because the winners are kind of lulled to sleep. However, in this case they aren’t asleep because Trump is still refusing (or unable) to be a man and accept his loss. He’s literally encouraging the Dems out there to vote, while discouraging Trump voters (notice i didn’t say Republicans) by continuing to lie to them by saying that the system is rigged, your vote won’t count anyway, etc.... heck, he’s attacked every Republican elected official in that state in the last two months. With that guy it’s not about America, it’s not about conservatism.... it’s about Trump, period. It’s a disgrace.

[Hidden Content] it’s just exhausting. Every single instance of alleged voter fraud has been explained away, yet they continue to spread them as if repeating them often enough will somehow make them true. People make unfounded allegations, then others look at those allegations and the multitude of them as proof of wrongdoing. They call that “merchandising the lie.” If you put it out there, somebody will buy it. it’s crazy. The Republican governor and the Republican Secretary of State from Georgia have cost Trump the election.... can you imagine if there had been DEMOCRATS in control in those battleground states? Man. The horror.

[Hidden Content] And she was arrested for fraud. Except she wasn’t and the whole thing was a hoax. You guys will believe anything.

So why did Trump fire her in November?

That's the thing.... she's just a voice yelling unsubstantiated nonsense. She literally got fired from Trumps legal team in late November for being a whackadoodle. As more and more sane voices have gone silent, she's back. [Hidden Content]

Screwed up in the sense that we put a guy in that seat that is obviously more concerned about holding that office than the fate of the nation. Also, a guy who apparently has lost his grip on reality.

What does a state representative from Louisiana have to do with anything? There are 105 state reps in Louisiana, and exactly 24 are asking for their US congressional delegation to reject the electors. That seems about right to me. Less than a fourth think it's a good idea.

I've never been a big fan.... long before he ran for President. I've been disappointed over and over by his actions and inactions while in office. I wasn't surprised that he lost to Biden.... and I possibly would have voted Biden (or at least abstained) if Biden's health wasn't so bad and his VP choice so objectionable to me. I was mildly disappointed when it was obvious (the day after the election) that Trump's lead wasn't going to hold and that Biden will be the next President. BUT, on a plus note, Trump is proof that even a poorly prepared and even worse-performing President can lead to economic growth with a pro-business approach. It's not his actions, but rather his approach that have led to our financial success prior to Covid. I can only imagine what a seasoned politician with pro-business leanings could do. But the spending was bonkers, and then got ridiculous during the pandemic. The handling of the election results has turned me solidly against him. I'll unequivocally say that if he happens to run again, I will absolutely give my money and my vote to whoever his opponent would be. In the primaries, in the general election, etc...The man is literally flirting with the ruin of our American way of life by refusing to give up the throne. America is more than Donald Trump... regardless of what he and his followers may think.

Of course it's not all his fault... But when when the opportunity came to be a leader he was nowhere to be found, repeatedly. I've gone over my list of things that I didn't agree with or was disappointed by... I don't need to list it out again. But his actions since the election are literally blowing my mind. I've said that I "held my nose and voted for Trump" in 16 and 20.... That embarrasses me at this point.

WHAT?!!!!!

Agreed....and it turns out that they were right.. Our debt has exploded, race relations are at an all-time low, and civil war isn't at our doorstep, but it's about three houses down. Yeah, I think it's obvious that we screwed up in '16.

Somebody go find LCM17.... His day has come, apparently.

A change is happening.... what is happening now is an attempted revolution by a deposed leader. It's appalling that "my" side can't call it for what it is. The clowns are willing to destroy our entire country because their guy didn't win. The Republican argument at this point is no longer who got the most votes, or even who won the electoral college... it's about whether or not we can wrangle a victory through congress or by "fixing" the results in states like Georgia. And they are literally gleeful at the prospect. Maybe you don't have sons that will die in the eventual conflict, I guess. Or maybe you'd sacrifice your sons at the altar of Trump... I'm not sure which it is. Either way you're not an American. You're a joke.

That's all you've got, I guess. "TDS." Everybody has TDS. Mike Pence, Barr, the officials in Georgia, the officials in Pennsylvania, the officials in Arizona, etc.... Everybody just has TDS. You're a fool, BTW. I'll bet you hide for a month after Biden is sworn in.

It's out there... you can find it. But I'm guessing it won't change your deluded mind one bit. Your boy was begging, lol. That was just PATHETIC, lol.

That's what? Suits 133,438 and 133,439? Which will also go as badly as the first 133,437? You don't seem to realize that Trump is already trying to make sure that those calls are never used in his own eventual prosecution for election fraud. That's what those two suits are about. There's no confidentiality expectation except when dealing with your own attorney....and that's not the case here. Like... this has gone beyond embarrassing to absurd and now we've arrived at the "shake your head, I can't believe this is actually happening" phase. Trump's followers can't even admit what the rest of America and the free world see is going on here. It's a deranged leader who is refusing to peacefully transfer power to the next duly elected President. I don't know which is worse.. the fact that he has literally lost his mind, or that his followers continue to blindly support him. There's no doubt after that call of who is actually trying to steal the election. None.

Y'all are hopeless. It's sad when you see people who are probably better informed on political issues than most of the general population, but who have literally lost all reason due to a blind devotion to one very obviously flawed man. Once again... is it wrong to say "Just find me 11,780 votes" or two say "just tell them you recalculated it?" Can you answer that question, or are you just gonna attack the source. Better yet, if somebody other than Donald J Trump was trying to threaten, lie, etc, to steal an election, would you still believe that nothing was done wrong?

Oh, I get it... it's a crime to disclose a crime. And that's the real problem... Lol. Actually, it's not a crime. Trump is trying to claim a reasonableness of privacy/privilege that doesn't exist.... this will blow your mind, though. Why was Trump's audio so much clearer than the AG's? Because the leak was from inside the White House. Are you going to admit that what he was trying to do (threatening, begging for a recalculation, etc....) is wrong? Nobody on Trump's train can even seem to admit that this wasn't right.