CardinalBacker

I disagree with you. I think that groups that help advance the cause of groups (racial, ethic, political affiliation are just fine. My problem is that IF there were such a group for white people, membership in THAT group would be grounds for disqualification. Heck, just saying that you voted "R" makes you a racist and unfit for leadership in a lot peoples' minds

Honestly, nobody gets in trouble for it. The guy that was defending his pawn shop and killed a looter was arrested and his business was destroyed anyway. There blaming this on race but the same freaking thing happens (the looting, not the fires) every time there's a natural disaster, too. I'll go on record and say that all it would take is a single round of shooting looters on sight and the problem of "casual" looters would be finished. You might have a few hard cases that would still try, but your average 19 year old wouldn't dare if there was a significant chance of being killed by authorities or property owners.

Do you mean looters or litterers? I think there are both types out there, lol. But I agree with you. A lot the people doing the damage are from outside and have no interest in what happened to George Floyd. They're there to steal and to try and create civil unrest in hopes that it will lead to a revolution. I think you are exactly right.... there were a lot of good people out there to protest initially. But if somebody is still hanging around when other people are setting stuff on fire and looting, then they're no longer a protester.

You’ll know more about this than I do.... I’ve always assumed that the protections provided by their contracts are why officers are always placed in some type of leave (typically paid) even when the actions of those officers are egregious. I read where NYPD had the cop that was blamed for Eric Garner’s asthma attack on some kind of restricted duty for 5 years before they finally just canned him based on the recommendation of a citizens’ review panel. Is it just me, or are the police offices’ unions the red headed step children of the union-loving left?

I don’t see a problem.

No. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that there are protections afforded by the collective bargaining agreement between the CITY and the police officers that were just broken at the mayor’s instruction. I have a feeling that the City of Minne will need to keep their checkbook out after they write that 7 figure check to Floyd’s family.... my guess is that some (or all) of these officers will receive settlements of their own. You can’t just fire people when their under contract, even if it makes your constituents happy. I remember a story that I read a long time ago where a mob wanted “justice” and they kept at it until they convinced local governance to act. They ended up crucifying the man over it. I think he was Hispanic. His name was Javier or Jose or something like that.

It’s not about the response. It’s simply people who have a dislike for cops/white people/society and they see a chance break the law with impunity. If I was so scared of cops, why would I go to where they just killed somebody and start conspicuously breaking the law? Nothing says “we’re not gonna take it” quite like running out of Target with an armful of Pampers. There are a mix of people rioting. Some of them are the criminal element. They’re the ones they don’t evacuate for hurricanes so that they can loot. Some are protestors who just get caught up in the lawlessness. There are a LOT of liberal/commie/anarchist in the mix, too. That’s why it takes a couple of days to get cranked up... they have to travel in from wherever they are. Just check out the graffiti. Good spelling, perfect grammar, decent handwriting. I’ve never seen a black person tagging with anarchy symbols, but they’re everywhere in the photos. Anti-capitalist tags galore, too. My real hope is the same that I have every time this stuff kicks off. I really hope none of those fools ever get the idea to bring that mess to the civilized areas. If those type of protestors ever manage to wake up those of us that just sit back and shake our heads, they’re not going to like the way things work out for themselves.

Yeah... that whole thing has jumped the shark. Big protest planned in Beaumont tonight. It’d be nice if somebody gave a crap about the black people actually murdered here, but they don’t. Never have, never will. The whole thing is a joke. Nothing says “stop treating us like animals” quite like going out and acting like one.

The coroner hasn’t said anything about his death yet that I can find. Do you have a source?

Oh, we’re talking about different cases. The dyspnea claim was about Eric Garner, the morbidly obese diabetic asthmatic that died of an asthma attack following an altercation with police in NYC a few years ago. It was an event in which the officer was no-billed by a grand jury and the Department of Justice was unable to find grounds upon which to charge the officer. But it’s drawing comparisons to the George Floyd death in MN this week.

[Hidden Content] You don’t even have to read the article. The headline should do the trick. ASTHMA. The states medical examiner asserted that the asthma attack was triggered by the “choke,” and the defense’s own medical examiner agreed asthma but countered that it wasn’t caused by the choke. It’s kinda like if that man had tried to run and had a heart attack, it would somehow be the policeman’s fault. Even the United States Department of Justice agreed that the officer did nothing for which he should be tried, much less convicted.

Check the link. Total murders were 14,123.... Blacks were 7407 of that total. That's over 50%.

Homicide by asthma. Nice.

You don't even understand what you're saying. [Hidden Content] In the US during 2018, there were: 1. 6088 white people murdered. 2. 7407 black people murdered. Despite making up only 13% of the population, over half (50%) of the murder victims in the US were black. You keep saying that's okay because mostly black people are killing all of those black people. Is that what you mean?

What does your Bible teach you about bearing false witness against your neighbor? That's why they fired him. Remember that sentiment when the city of Minneapolis is paying out millions of dollars in wrongful termination lawsuits. Their are provisions and protections in the police officers' collective bargaining agreement with the city that have been broken by the city. The city's knee-jerk firings just cost the taxpayers a ton of money.

That's my point as well. My beliefs line up further to the "the knee itself didn't kill him" side of the argument than yours, though. I'm well aware that every detainee complains that his/her cuffs are too tight. "I can't breathe" is said during many, many arrests that work out just fine. I'm pretty claustrophobic. I get panicky if I put on a hoodie that's too small. I don't ride in the backseat of two-door cars or extended cab trucks because I'm scared that I can't get out if something bad happens. IF I somehow find myself in custody, I'm fairly certain that my heart rate will run away and my ability to breathe will be greatly decreased, knee on my neck or not. The problem is that if I'm not resisting and start foaming at the mouth and turning blue, I pray to God that the arresting officer has a little human decency and doesn't just hold me down and make wisecracks until my freaking life is gone.

Okay... I just watched the video from MN and that’s rough stuff. I’m a jerk, but I’ll give my opinion. The knee on the neck didn’t kill that dude. If you can talk/scream, your airway isn’t obstructed. If pressure is being applied to BOTH of your carotid arteries, you’re going to slip into unconsciousness in a matter of seconds. Mr Floyd appears to be suffering from neither an obstructed airway or loss of blood flow to his brain. My suspicion is that when the medical examiner’s report comes back, we’ll find the cause of death to an overdose or a medical condition such as the one that killed Eric Garner (acute asthma attack). The police believed that he was having a medical episode, and that’s why they called the ambulance. None of that changes the fact that this officer showed a depraved indifference for the life of Mr Floyd. I believe that the knew that the passive force he was using was not causing any grave injury or threat of death to Mr Floyd. But by staying there, ignoring the distressed and deteriorating condition of the detainee, he failed us all. The officer enjoyed what he was doing based on his comments and actions while physically detaining Mr Floyd. He long since should have switched from detaining to life-saving measures. Ease up pressure after the man is subdued, check the man’s pulse, start CPR if necessary. Don’t sit up there and make smart comments to onlookers while the guy is literally dying beneath you. This scenario should be displayed to all young recruits as a display of how NOT to act.

Sorry... “out for a jog” is another cynical way to describe fleeing from a crime scene or apprehension. If you watch the surveillance video from across the street from the dwelling, Arbery is just walking, looks both ways and then darts into the house. He’s confronted on screen by a man who turns out to be the one that filmed the eventual murder. At this point you see Mr Arbery sprint up the street. There have been so many lies by supporters on both sides. Earlier on people were claiming that Arbery was wearing boots. They don’t look like boots to me in the surveillance footage from inside the house. But those aren’t athletic shorts he’s wearing either, so it proves nothing.

No offense, but you have no clue what you’re talking about. There’s no dispute that there are more killings among our same race. That’s what you keep parroting. But when it’s obvious that twice as many white people are killed by black people (500+) than there are blacks people killed by white people (229) in 2016, who’s in more danger? White people! The idea that there is a danger to blacks people caused by white people and police is just laughable. Y’all kill more of us every year! Like.... twice as many. And you danged sure kill more of each other than any other group kills their own.

But Don’s Alternator on 16th had a no trespassing sign so they were “doing us a favor” by not charging us.... in cop-speak, anyways. Serious question to which I don’t think that I ever got an answer from you. Same scenario, but instead of the father/son you have two uniformed policemen hooping out of a cruiser. Everything else happens the same with the same result. What would your hypothetical opinion be in that case?

The owner of the property notified at least one of the three men that day after he received a cell phone notification from his surveillance system is what I saw in an interview. But if the police have been notified repeatedly by a property owner upset about intrusions onto his property (which is what happened), then, yes... they have the right to assume that a person is trespassing. Back in the day, property owners on 16th Street in Orange notified the police that they didnt want people in their parking lots after hours. The police would roust us and let us know we’d be charged with CT if we came back. Same thing happened in Beaumont a couple of years ago when LEOs wanted to shut down the cruise there.

My understanding is that the father told the police in a statement that they were trying to make a citizen’s arrest. I’m curious if that was their intent that day or just a defense he came up with after the fact. Regardless, I don’t believe that they were able to relay their intentions to Mr Arbery before the struggle over the gun commenced. On the same note, he has a lot more experience with the nuances of a citizens arrest after operating with his peace officer’s certification being expired for years, lol.

He was trespassing. [Hidden Content] (b)(2) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person after receiving, prior to such entry, notice from the owner, rightful occupant, or, upon proper identification, an authorized representative of the owner or rightful occupant that such entry is forbidden; The info I read said that a "no trespassing" sign was enough to constitute notice by the owner. It's a stupid misdemeanor, and NO, nobody got killed for trespassing.

You can't very well holster a shotgun. And we're all aware that the 4th DA was sent there to do a job.... regardless of the facts. For a bunch of people who want to see the cash bail system eradicated, they sure don't mind locking folks up without bail, lol.