CardinalBacker

Here's another one... a young black man was just walking in the cemetery when he was hunted down and killed by the police. I'm surprised we haven't seen much out of the media on this one, yet. Somebody get Al Sharpton on the phone. We need a protest. [Hidden Content] Seriously, though... this piece of crap will be counted in the statistics used to point out how often young black men are killed by the cops. His death will be one of 2020's total number spewed out as evidence of oppressive policing.

Agreed. Those prior videos of Mr. Arbery having confrontations with the police (the stop in the park, the Walmart shoplifting thing) don't have anything to do with this case, either. The only reason that I believe they're worth mentioning is that it goes to show a pattern of confrontational behavior on the part of Mr. Arbery in the past. In one of my initial posts I said that I believed that Mr. Arbery was in a fit of anger when the physical confrontation began. Those vids would serve to possibly bolster my theory a little bit.

Officer Wilson was exonerated because he did nothing wrong in the Michael Brown shooting. Anybody with a shred of common sense has agreed. But that’s how ignorant people see things... “he stole some cigarillos so they killed him.” Yes, he pocketed some cigarillos and roughed up a clerk... but Mr Brown’s well-documented foolish decision to attack a cop is only reason that he lost his life. Philandro Castille was killed on his 46th traffic stop. I’ve been pulled over a bunch of times. Not 46. I’ll bet even a victim of constant racial policing like yourself hadn’t been pulled over 46 times when you were only 25. There was more to the story, and when it became obvious that the “bad white cop” narrative wasn’t gonna work, the media lost interest. I’m guessing it’s because the cop/shooter was named “Jeronimo Yanez.” Tamil Rice was a horrible accident. A caller reported a man threatening people with a gun in the park. The police arrived saw the person with the gun and eliminated the threat. It’s horrific to find out after the fact that the kid was 13 and the gun wasn’t real. It sounds like somebody (like that white cop from Beaumont who killed two people (luckily white, also) in less than a year) might be in the wrong profession. But tell me... which is worse... a death like Tamir Rice’s, an innocent 13 year old, or the death of any nameless child that gets killed in a drive by shooting on any weekend in Chicago? Because trust me, there is probably a Tamir Rice gunned down in the inner city somewhere in the US every weekend. But there’s no outrage. Why is Tamir’s loss so horrific and those other thousands of kids just “oh, well?” That’s why reasonable people don’t take BLM seriously. It’s a bad joke.

Give it up. There’s no amount of reality that’s gonna convince Kountzer that he’s not living in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

“It was a slip!” while searching for my mouthpiece....

This... I understand the same. If the two men didn't see the "crime" personally, they have no right to attempt a citizen's arrest. That's my understanding of GA law as well. I think it should have gone before a grand jury promptly, and I'm not sure that it would have ever gone if not for the media spotlight. That's a problem. My feeling is that you could make a good case for some type of manslaughter-type charge (or whatever they call it out there) but I think the prosecution would have a hard time proving a capital crime (or a federal hate crime) based on the evidence that has come to light this far. No chance of claiming self defense, IMO. You gotta admit, though... the state police were called in to make this happen. The first two recused themselves, but the third one was just benched by the attorney general. If it was wrong for the first two DAs to try and bury the case, it's also pretty far out there for these men with local ties, no convictions that I'm aware of, etc, etc, to be held without bond when the circumstances are so... questionable? And I don't care. They definitely played a part in this whole mess. But I didn't realize that this is what the left has been talking about when they say that they want to do away with the cash bail system, lol. Dumb question.... can the state have differing charges available for consideration, or are they obligated to pick one out there in GA? I'd hate for them to set the bar too high and have somebody that is probably guilty of a lesser charge go unpunished.

Lol... did you miss what just happened. When somebody (TVC) is losing a debate, they start spouting their credentials as if that will somehow make their wrong assertion somehow become right. Whether he wants to admit it or not, the police directing a citizen towards civilian watch group or a concerned former LEO private citizen neighbor is the epitome of community policing. That’s why he disengaged and started talking credentials. He knows he misspoke. Besides... everybody knows that on a rookie cop’s first day they tell him/her to “forget every thing that you learned in the academy.... those guys are dummies.” And I had to fix it to read “uninformed” because it autocorrected to “uniformed.”🤣 But I’m nothing if not humble. I think it’s safe to say that I dropped a round there... but I’m still way up on the cards, lol.

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Not really... I went back through his posts and It seems like his take is a little bit more “those guys were cowboys” than “they’re a bunch of psycho redneck vigilantes.” It was so subtle that I missed it. As an instructor, I also think that he would be particularly loathsome towards a LEO like the shooter’s dad that wouldn’t bother to keep up with his CEs. I’m also curious as to whether TVC would be as critical if the same exact scenario except that had been a uniformed officer getting out of a police cruiser instead. Because honestly, those howling these circumstances would still be howling if it had been a uniformed cop pulling the trigger... I have a feeling that the big problem is that TVC doesn’t feel like the thin blue line In his profile pic extends to retirees’ kids.

Thanks for your explanation on your background. I’m going to go back and reread your posts... Quick question, though... Do you feel like your views are shared by most of your fellow LEOs, or are your views kinda unique in your field?

Fact. Statistics show that 500+ white people were killed by black people in 2016. That same year something like 229 black people were killed by white people. Those are the statistics reported. When you then factor in how many more White people there are in the US than black people, it’s even more stark. That’s not evidence, those are facts. So... if I (White dude) am something like FIVE TIMES more likely to be murdered by a black person than a black person is likely to be murdered by a white person.... please help me understand why I should believe that black people are somehow in more danger? They need you upset...when you start thinking for yourself it’s gonna be earth-shattering.

So what you’re saying is that if we found out that the shooter had been posting on white supremacist message boards three years ago, you would say that his postings from 3 years ago were in no way indicative of the way he felt about people of color today? Because I would disagree with you.

Sorry, my uninformed friend...... [Hidden Content] "Police and citizens often come into contact with each other for reasons other than criminal investigation. In addition to enforcing criminal law, police officers often engage in community service. Community service may include providing information and/or assistance to people in need, as well as offering youth education and coordinating community outreach efforts. In many communities, police officers network to establish partnerships between residents and the law enforcement agency. Community-oriented policing seeks to address the causes of crime and to reduce fear of social disorder through problem-solving strategies and police- community partnerships. Typically, it involves a greater use of foot and bicycle patrols and frequent meetings with community groups." You see, "community policing" means a lot of things.... of which helping neighbors help neighbors.... I'll be honest. I'm impressed that a cop would know enough about a neighborhood to realize that a retired officer/investigator lived nearby and would be able/willing to help. But to you he's a "rogue cop." Let me guess... if you have bothered to watch the video uploaded this morning of the previous encounter that Mr. Arbery had with law enforcement in 2017, you're initial reaction is to say "well, he still didn't deserve to be murdered" instead of thinking ...."jeez, this kid has a hard on for authority" and that attitude means that you're a part of the problem.

Welcome to the dark side, my son..... let the hate flow through you!

I saw another source confirming that it was him. I didn't take anything from the video other than he seemed to be aggressive when dealing with the police. It's not hard to imagine him exercising even less restraint with civilians. It's what I suspected all along.

I wonder if that clip is legit? Even if it’s not Arbery, it’s a good illustration of what I’m talking about. You have cops who expect the worst out of young black men, and it’s understandable... you have young black men who are also expecting the worst out of cops, so I can recognize some of that anger comes from. BOTH sides have some work to do. When I was this young man’s age I was a long hair with a hot rod. We were constantly attracting the attention of law enforcement to the point that it sometimes felt like we were being picked on... we ended up with a lot of their attention. The big differences were that those were choices that we made to attract that attention, and you could lose that attention with a haircut and different ride... young men like this one can’t escape the suspicion that goes with being young and black. Also, the attention that we received involved tickets and the occasional cussing... nobody EVER had any type of weapon pointed at them. So it’s not really all that comparable.

That’s funny... every progressive out there says that the key to solving the most dangerous problem facing black America today (rouge cops) was COMMUNITY POLICING! This, my friend, is what “community policing” looks like, and you’re hoping that the cop gets “spanked” or loses his job over it. This is what Kap was hoping to create by wearing his piggy socks.

Jasper is always a tough out, lol.

That’s what I said when we were purely slot-T. The only time our secondary saw defended passes was on Friday Nights. I’m not sure how you fix that.

Well, since I started both of those topics, I'll feel free to address.... unless you have a problem with that, too. The only thing "racially sensitive" about either topic is that some people get really sensitive when discussing matters of race. Unless, of course, we're talking "privilege" and "oppression." Then it's okay. The Jasper underage/sex assault story was literally the only "sports" story on the local news broadcast last week, and it was the top news story for at least one of those days. And as far as race goes, there was no racial angle about that story. When the story broke, I had no idea whether the race of the victim. My guess it wasn't a "racially sensitive" topic until YOU realized that there were different races involved. But thank you for emphasizing my point for me. Some people can't seem to understand that it's not always about race. [Hidden Content] Also... Back in December the local police out there directed the homeowner to contact his neighbor (the shooter's dad) the next time somebody went into his house because the police were tired of repeated phone calls from the property owner. That kinda busts the media narrative about "there had been no other break-ins in the area, other than the shooter's truck" lie that was getting pushed around since day one. That's been my point all along.... the only "racial angle" that can be seen here is that the victim and shooter are of different races. That's it.

I forgot about them... I was a little underwhelmed by the new football coach's record. I've got my fingers crossed that I was incorrect. United has the horses in the stable, no doubt.

Who said that? WHO SAID THAT?!!!!!!!!!

But then how would we know who to vote for?

I still remember when Walmart came to town and killed all of the mom and pop shops. Nobody realized what it mean until the whole downtown was dead. Instead of having lots of prosperous business owners, you end up with lots of hourly Walmart workers and the gross profits leave the community and go to Bentonville, Arkansas. Buying foreign has the same effect. There’s American owned/made, American assembled (where the profits go home to Japan) and then outright foreign owned/made. Each foreign purchase is another step towards financial ruin. An economics professor explained it like this. You have ships bringing consumable goods and then taking money back with them. At the end of the day, “they” have our treasure and we have bunch of broke down junk. That’s why we should all be up in arms over the trade imbalance instead of fighting to save a few cents by buying foreign products.

That’s not a bad start. I’m curious if things are any better in districts that end up with a freshman campus. Those kids are in a really weird bracket. Too mature to be around the pre-teens but not ready for the upperclassmen, either.