CardinalBacker

It’s not about the response. It’s simply people who have a dislike for cops/white people/society and they see a chance break the law with impunity. If I was so scared of cops, why would I go to where they just killed somebody and start conspicuously breaking the law? Nothing says “we’re not gonna take it” quite like running out of Target with an armful of Pampers. There are a mix of people rioting. Some of them are the criminal element. They’re the ones they don’t evacuate for hurricanes so that they can loot. Some are protestors who just get caught up in the lawlessness. There are a LOT of liberal/commie/anarchist in the mix, too. That’s why it takes a couple of days to get cranked up... they have to travel in from wherever they are. Just check out the graffiti. Good spelling, perfect grammar, decent handwriting. I’ve never seen a black person tagging with anarchy symbols, but they’re everywhere in the photos. Anti-capitalist tags galore, too. My real hope is the same that I have every time this stuff kicks off. I really hope none of those fools ever get the idea to bring that mess to the civilized areas. If those type of protestors ever manage to wake up those of us that just sit back and shake our heads, they’re not going to like the way things work out for themselves.

Yeah... that whole thing has jumped the shark. Big protest planned in Beaumont tonight. It’d be nice if somebody gave a crap about the black people actually murdered here, but they don’t. Never have, never will. The whole thing is a joke. Nothing says “stop treating us like animals” quite like going out and acting like one.

The coroner hasn’t said anything about his death yet that I can find. Do you have a source?

Oh, we’re talking about different cases. The dyspnea claim was about Eric Garner, the morbidly obese diabetic asthmatic that died of an asthma attack following an altercation with police in NYC a few years ago. It was an event in which the officer was no-billed by a grand jury and the Department of Justice was unable to find grounds upon which to charge the officer. But it’s drawing comparisons to the George Floyd death in MN this week.

[Hidden Content] You don’t even have to read the article. The headline should do the trick. ASTHMA. The states medical examiner asserted that the asthma attack was triggered by the “choke,” and the defense’s own medical examiner agreed asthma but countered that it wasn’t caused by the choke. It’s kinda like if that man had tried to run and had a heart attack, it would somehow be the policeman’s fault. Even the United States Department of Justice agreed that the officer did nothing for which he should be tried, much less convicted.

Check the link. Total murders were 14,123.... Blacks were 7407 of that total. That's over 50%.

Homicide by asthma. Nice.

You don't even understand what you're saying. [Hidden Content] In the US during 2018, there were: 1. 6088 white people murdered. 2. 7407 black people murdered. Despite making up only 13% of the population, over half (50%) of the murder victims in the US were black. You keep saying that's okay because mostly black people are killing all of those black people. Is that what you mean?

What does your Bible teach you about bearing false witness against your neighbor? That's why they fired him. Remember that sentiment when the city of Minneapolis is paying out millions of dollars in wrongful termination lawsuits. Their are provisions and protections in the police officers' collective bargaining agreement with the city that have been broken by the city. The city's knee-jerk firings just cost the taxpayers a ton of money.

That's my point as well. My beliefs line up further to the "the knee itself didn't kill him" side of the argument than yours, though. I'm well aware that every detainee complains that his/her cuffs are too tight. "I can't breathe" is said during many, many arrests that work out just fine. I'm pretty claustrophobic. I get panicky if I put on a hoodie that's too small. I don't ride in the backseat of two-door cars or extended cab trucks because I'm scared that I can't get out if something bad happens. IF I somehow find myself in custody, I'm fairly certain that my heart rate will run away and my ability to breathe will be greatly decreased, knee on my neck or not. The problem is that if I'm not resisting and start foaming at the mouth and turning blue, I pray to God that the arresting officer has a little human decency and doesn't just hold me down and make wisecracks until my freaking life is gone.

Okay... I just watched the video from MN and that’s rough stuff. I’m a jerk, but I’ll give my opinion. The knee on the neck didn’t kill that dude. If you can talk/scream, your airway isn’t obstructed. If pressure is being applied to BOTH of your carotid arteries, you’re going to slip into unconsciousness in a matter of seconds. Mr Floyd appears to be suffering from neither an obstructed airway or loss of blood flow to his brain. My suspicion is that when the medical examiner’s report comes back, we’ll find the cause of death to an overdose or a medical condition such as the one that killed Eric Garner (acute asthma attack). The police believed that he was having a medical episode, and that’s why they called the ambulance. None of that changes the fact that this officer showed a depraved indifference for the life of Mr Floyd. I believe that the knew that the passive force he was using was not causing any grave injury or threat of death to Mr Floyd. But by staying there, ignoring the distressed and deteriorating condition of the detainee, he failed us all. The officer enjoyed what he was doing based on his comments and actions while physically detaining Mr Floyd. He long since should have switched from detaining to life-saving measures. Ease up pressure after the man is subdued, check the man’s pulse, start CPR if necessary. Don’t sit up there and make smart comments to onlookers while the guy is literally dying beneath you. This scenario should be displayed to all young recruits as a display of how NOT to act.

Sorry... “out for a jog” is another cynical way to describe fleeing from a crime scene or apprehension. If you watch the surveillance video from across the street from the dwelling, Arbery is just walking, looks both ways and then darts into the house. He’s confronted on screen by a man who turns out to be the one that filmed the eventual murder. At this point you see Mr Arbery sprint up the street. There have been so many lies by supporters on both sides. Earlier on people were claiming that Arbery was wearing boots. They don’t look like boots to me in the surveillance footage from inside the house. But those aren’t athletic shorts he’s wearing either, so it proves nothing.

No offense, but you have no clue what you’re talking about. There’s no dispute that there are more killings among our same race. That’s what you keep parroting. But when it’s obvious that twice as many white people are killed by black people (500+) than there are blacks people killed by white people (229) in 2016, who’s in more danger? White people! The idea that there is a danger to blacks people caused by white people and police is just laughable. Y’all kill more of us every year! Like.... twice as many. And you danged sure kill more of each other than any other group kills their own.

But Don’s Alternator on 16th had a no trespassing sign so they were “doing us a favor” by not charging us.... in cop-speak, anyways. Serious question to which I don’t think that I ever got an answer from you. Same scenario, but instead of the father/son you have two uniformed policemen hooping out of a cruiser. Everything else happens the same with the same result. What would your hypothetical opinion be in that case?

The owner of the property notified at least one of the three men that day after he received a cell phone notification from his surveillance system is what I saw in an interview. But if the police have been notified repeatedly by a property owner upset about intrusions onto his property (which is what happened), then, yes... they have the right to assume that a person is trespassing. Back in the day, property owners on 16th Street in Orange notified the police that they didnt want people in their parking lots after hours. The police would roust us and let us know we’d be charged with CT if we came back. Same thing happened in Beaumont a couple of years ago when LEOs wanted to shut down the cruise there.

My understanding is that the father told the police in a statement that they were trying to make a citizen’s arrest. I’m curious if that was their intent that day or just a defense he came up with after the fact. Regardless, I don’t believe that they were able to relay their intentions to Mr Arbery before the struggle over the gun commenced. On the same note, he has a lot more experience with the nuances of a citizens arrest after operating with his peace officer’s certification being expired for years, lol.

He was trespassing. [Hidden Content] (b)(2) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person after receiving, prior to such entry, notice from the owner, rightful occupant, or, upon proper identification, an authorized representative of the owner or rightful occupant that such entry is forbidden; The info I read said that a "no trespassing" sign was enough to constitute notice by the owner. It's a stupid misdemeanor, and NO, nobody got killed for trespassing.

You can't very well holster a shotgun. And we're all aware that the 4th DA was sent there to do a job.... regardless of the facts. For a bunch of people who want to see the cash bail system eradicated, they sure don't mind locking folks up without bail, lol.

The code you just quoted did. I don't think you understand what you're reading. There are two different distinct grounds for an arrest by a private person in GA. A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. I believe that having witnessed Mr. Arbery enter and leave the dwelling gives the third person arrested coverage for his participation in the arrest as the offense was "in his presence," especially considering how this person was well aware of the ongoing nature of the intrusions and the property owner's attempts to stop those intrusions. The question is whether or not his notification to the father/son duo constitutes "immediate knowledge" on their part, but I think that it very well might. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. This second part doesn't apply to this scenario because no felony had been committed by Mr. Arbery. What the code is saying is that IF the offense was a felony and the offender is trying to get a away, then the private person doesn't need to have been present or had immediate knowledge... just reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. The grounds for arrest by a private citizen are LOWER if the offense is a felony AND the suspect is attempting to escape. Thoughts by you or TVC?

They try, but it's hard to imitate a passing offense when you lack both qbs and receivers on your own Slot-T team. The scout team pulling guard just can't mimic a good wideout.

As you should.... The only problem that I, as an outsider, can see is that nobody is protesting the black on black killings.... which far outnumber the white on black killings. And to be even more ironic, there are many more whites killed by blacks than blacks killed by whites. But black men aren't safe in America? Give me a break. It's bizzaro-world. The statistics are out there. 2016 saw 220 some-odd blacks killed by whites, but 500+ whites killed by blacks.... which is even more impressive(?) based on the fact that there are so many fewer blacks living here, but they somehow manage to kill twice as many of us. (I'm white, btw). IF you're offended by a black person's death at the hand of a white person, but have yet to protest the black/black and white by black killings (both of which are more prevalent), you're just being non-sensical.

Your point about no action being taken until the video was made public is spot on. I feel as if the thing should have been presented to a grand jury initially, and I also doubt that any progress would have been made even still if the video hadn't gone public. It also seems to me that the initial 2 DAs were investigating this crime with the innocence of the father/son a foregone conclusion-and that's not the way it should have been handled. The point about violence is this... if you have a segment of the population that reacts more violently when confronted with adversity, at some point some of them will react violently with the wrong person (people) and get shot. You can see it in the postings here... to paraphrase, "well, if that cop can't protect himself with his fists, then he needs to go find another job." "Somebody forgets to add extra pickles on your Big Mac? Beat they _____." The other reason for pointing out violence that plagues the black community is to point out the hypocrisy. Why is Ahmaud Arbery's unfortunate end somehow the sign that white america/law enforcement are out here killing off black men, but the two dozen or so black men that were killed right here in Jefferson County last year not worth mentioning? Let's be honest.... if Mr. Arbery had been killed by black men it wouldn't have made the news in Atlanta, and you and I dang sure wouldn't be talking about it three or four months later. We're all getting pitted against each other and it's ridiculous. This morning Gayle King can't even SPEAK over the horror.... a black man died while being detained in MN and a white woman from NY made a *gasp* possibly false police report against a black man in Central Park. How can this be? [Hidden Content] On the other hand, you have: [Hidden Content] And ol' Gayle just can't summon the tears for the 8 young black men killed this weekend in Chicago alone. The whole narrative of "race problems in America" is bad joke told repeatedly to get a response out of the lowest thinkers in the land. From February: [Hidden Content] 25 shot, 11 of which were kids. But let's LOSE OUR MINDS over Tamir Rice. Bad police are the problem, right?

Those are just questions for the resident LEO, TVC. The questions are legitimate. The unfortunate event happened because of the actions of the three men who are currently being held without bail, according to the state and TVC. IF those men had been police officers and Mr. Arbery acted the exact same way, you'd have TVC arguing that the whole thing was Mr. Arbery's fault. If Mr. Arbery's actions are the exact same in both scenarios, and the only difference is that the people trying to detain him had badges, then we've all got a problem. 1. We agree on the racial outcry... I'm not seeing any evidence to say this was racially motivated. 2. I believe that they WERE within their rights to ask Arbery to stop. Arbery was within his rights to decline their request/order. TVC states that if somebody bops me in the nose, I have no right to use deadly force, then turns around and justifies an "unlawful order" by the father/son as justification for the use of deadly force by Mr. Arbery... Because face it.... if somebody is trying to take your weapon, they're going to use it on you if they can. We keep talking about the events in a straight line... "to detain and eventually kill Arbery" were the words that you used. You left out a key piece of the series of events-the one where Arbery initiated the struggle for the gun. 3. I don't know if Arbery was a POS or not... that doesn't matter. His prior encounters with LE only serve to illustrate a pattern of confrontational behavior when engaging law enforcement and bolster the argument that Mr. Arbery overreacted during this encounter.... he's obviously got a pattern of doing so. We can see it with our own eyes. Mr. Arbery wasn't killed for jogging, and he wasn't killed for repeatedly going into a dwelling that he had no right to be in. He was killed during a struggle over a gun that HE initiated. I don't think I've ever indicated that I felt Mr. Arbery "got what he deserved." I wish that all involved had made different choices that day. HOWEVER, if I drive up in my driveway and see a man fleeing my tool shed, so I pull out my pistola and holler for him to stop, then he tries to take my gun away from me and ends up dead, that I am responsible for his murder... we just don't see things the same way.

I disagree. We’re comparing the exact same scenario, except one group has badges and the other does not. One is accused of murder and the other is “just doing their job.” You just eloquently described what the people who protest these things have been complaining about. I guess what you’re saying is that the old man should have just had somebody carrying his commission and then this would have all been okay. They weren’t detaining him to investigate. They were trying to detain him until the police could arrive. But I don’t think they got to express much except “stop!” before Mr Arbery attacked. Since you don’t like that scenario, let’s pretend we’re talking about an armed security guard at a Walmart in GA. Loss Prevention radios him to stop the guy in the green jacket... he’s stolen something. The security guard confronts the shopper and a struggle ensues in which the shopper tries to disarm the guard and gets shot. Our guard didn’t see the actual theft-loss prevention thinks they did. No cover for a CA. How would you feel then? Would your opinion change if the guard was actually an off-duty police officer who wasn’t wearing his uniform to a side job?