CardinalBacker

I wonder where?

I’m worried that these clowns are going to take it too far. All kidding aside... we’re not the kind of people who will tolerate the lawlessness and destruction. I think that we’re approaching the time when these people need to be hit so hard that they don’t want to do it anymore.

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I hear you. It’s okay to respond to what you see and what you feel. You just have to stay rooted in reality so it doesn’t seem so incomprehensible when things work out in ways that we don’t like. Eff that cop, though. 44 years old, 19 years on the job. I’ve kinda had it in my mind that he could have been the ranking officer on the scene that day. I’m not sure how free those other officers would have been to confront his treatment of mr Floyd at that point in time.

No. That’s your feeling, but that’s not where the evidence is pointing. It’s pretty much the same scenario that plagued the Eric Garner death in NYC. It’s evident from the ME’s report that he didn’t die from manual strangulation or asphyxiation. Or blunt force trauma. The knee didn’t kill him. Those are facts. I’ll make a prediction based solely on my pessimistic nature that when the toxicology reports come back, we’ll find that Mr Floyd had significant amounts of a stimulant (I’ll say cocaine) in his system. Enough to be a problem for a guy with hypertension and cardiovascular disease. I’ll also apologize for thinking the worst if it turns out that my theory is wrong. I believe that the officer’s actions (and inactions) were inhumane, unwarranted and a violation of Mr Floyd’s Civil Rights....Absolutely. But if it turns out to be medically impossible to prove that the officer’s actions (and inactions) led to the death... there are going to be a lot of unhappy people like in ‘92.

If you have any understanding of basic biomechanics, you’d have been skeptical about that knee killing Mr Floyd. Obstructing the airway require pressure on the front, not side of the neck. Pressure on the carotid arteries is required on both sides and there was no pressure to the left side. Plus that type of pressure will put the victim out almost immediately, not taking 5 minutes to work. I think that we’ll learn of some illicit substances in Mr Floyd’s body (stimulants) when the toxicology results come in. Don’t get me wrong. It shouldn’t have happened, and I think that there’s a very good chance that Mr Floyd might be alive today if that jerk had hopped up and started lifesaving measures. I saw a bouncer at the Longhorn get wrecked in the parking lot one Saturday night over that. He had a guy down in the rock parking lot and was kneeling on his head... not neck, but head. Just grinding the side of the guys face into the rocks and laughing. Somebody did a three step approach and place-kicked the bouncer square in the face. Still one of the most disgusting sounds I’ve ever heard. Bouncer got to ride in an ambulance and everybody involved were banned for life.

You’re twisting my words. I do not believe that the NAACP should be classified as a racist group. That’s the fallacy of the whole “you’re a racist” declaration. Just because my beliefs don’t line up with the progressive left wing of the Democratic Party doesn’t make me a racist. I believe that God created us all equal in his eyes. What we do after that is up to us. If you’re 20 years old, a high school dropout, a criminal record, a couple of illegitimate kids, can’t speak the King’s English, and have neck tattoos.... your lack of personal success is not the fault of racism, oppression or privilege. That’s just bad life choices on your part. I’m never going to feel guilty over somebody else’s bad decisions. I don’t hate anybody, much less a group of people for the color of their skin. But I’m not going to pretend that the Emperor has on clothes for you, either. I’m not going to apologize for something that may or may not have happened to somebody’s ancestors by somebody who may or may not have been one of my ancestors. Slavery has existed since the dawn of mankind. It’s still going on in Africa today. There’s not another country in the world that doesn’t have a history that includes slavery. But it’s our “original sin.” Slavery was a bad thing. We got it wrong to start, and we fought hard and got that institution outlawed, as it should be. But to hear the Mayor of Minneapolis blaming the looting on 400 years of horror is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

Well, for starters one group endorses hatred towards other groups and espouses superiority. Same group also has a bloody, bloody past. The other group was founded not out of hate or a belief of superiority, but trying to secure equal rights (which they deserved). I think there are a lot of people in the NAACP who have some faulty beliefs and there are racists among their ranks. But the militant ones have to go find a more more radical group of that want to act on their hateful ideas. The Klan WAS that more radical group for white people. The low key white racists just became masons.

They just released the preliminary autopsy report. [Hidden Content] It wasn’t strangulation or asphyxiation that killed Mr Floyd according to the Medical Examiner. Also believed that being held down contributed, but it wasn’t his cause of death. It’s still horrific and I think he’d still be alive if not for the depraved indifference exhibited by the police here. It’s just gonna be hard to prove the cop caused his death by hypertension and cardiovascular disease. If my grandma was having a heart attack, I don’t think somebody kneeling on her neck would help matters any. Suddenly I’m feeling better that the feds will be able to hook him with a civil rights violation. NOBODY deserves to have their life end via natural causes (even if he was overdosing) with a cop’s knee on their neck.

You’re on your own, buddy. I don’t agree with a lot of the platform that the NAACP pushes these days, but they haven’t ever been comparable to the Klan. Wearing masks, terrorizing and intimidating people... hell, the lynchings! When there’s not much real racism left to point at, they’ve had to move on to confronting “privilege” and other immeasurables to justify their own existence. Sometimes I think it’s quite comical to see all of these young kids who’ve never experienced real racism acting like “it’s not safe to be black in America.” Go back 60-70 years when cops actually would beat a black man just to make sure he never came back to “their” town. Those old days of an n-word stealing more chain than he could swim away with. Now days the fact that group “b” had more college debt than group “a” it’s a sign of “oppression” and privilege. I’m a member of several trade and hobby organizations. They give me and people like me a voice that I don’t have on my own. I do believe that the NAACP has had some terrible leadership at the National and local levels, but that’s their problem, not mine. This is a sports board. None of us would respect a coach or AD who would tell the kids “oh, you can’t compete. Have you seen their facilities? It’s not fair. We’ll never beat those guys. They’re too athletic, and they need to spot us some points.” That what we all call a “losers mentality,” but it’s what leadership has been feeding over there for decades.

They're going to have hard time convicting him of anything if the autopsy reveals that his cause of death was something other than asphyxia. It's kinda like if a fat dude runs from the cop and has a fatal heart attack... do you charge the cop with murder? I think that's the worst possible scenario for law enforcement up there. You get stuck with facts upon which you can't convict, but a conviction is what the masses want. It's gonna be interesting to see what comes from the medical examiner in the near future and once toxicology reports come back.

Ummmm... my understanding is that they were waiting for an ambulance. They didn't intend to take him to jail, therefore they didn't place him in the cop car. I watched a long video taken by surveillance camera mounted on a building with a view of the initial scene. There wasn't much of a resistance, and it honestly looked like Chauvin was taking pretty good care of the dude. I don't know what happened between then and the 8 minutes with a knee on his neck across the street. EDIT.... it wasn't Chauvin that was working with Floyd initially. It looks like Floyd kept falling down. I have a feeling that we're going to find out that Mr. Floyd was either experiencing a medical event at the time that this all started, or had a lethal amount of drugs in his system that will be found in toxicology tests. Floyd wasn't giving them much of a fight if any, and the cops seemed to be doing their job(s) professionally before they moved across the street. You can see Floyd collapse when he initially leaves the driver's seat of his own vehicle, then again at the end of the video when they arrive at the patrol car across the street. Watch the clip and see what you think.

I was actually in a small one once. We saw Pantera in about '96 in Houston and our truck (and about 40 others) got towed. We had to walk several mile to the impound yard to recover our vehicles and they wanted a LOT of cash to release peoples' vehicles. At some point some of the crowd got rowdy and a few windows got broken. I just wanted to pay and get out. They sent out an honest-to-God police chopper with a spotlight that lit everybody up. I can honestly say that at one point in my life, I was down in South Houston in the wee hours flipping off a police chopper during a mini-riot. I checked that off of my list. But I also flipped off Santa Claus in Dallas one time, too.

I disagree with you. I think that groups that help advance the cause of groups (racial, ethic, political affiliation are just fine. My problem is that IF there were such a group for white people, membership in THAT group would be grounds for disqualification. Heck, just saying that you voted "R" makes you a racist and unfit for leadership in a lot peoples' minds

Honestly, nobody gets in trouble for it. The guy that was defending his pawn shop and killed a looter was arrested and his business was destroyed anyway. There blaming this on race but the same freaking thing happens (the looting, not the fires) every time there's a natural disaster, too. I'll go on record and say that all it would take is a single round of shooting looters on sight and the problem of "casual" looters would be finished. You might have a few hard cases that would still try, but your average 19 year old wouldn't dare if there was a significant chance of being killed by authorities or property owners.

Do you mean looters or litterers? I think there are both types out there, lol. But I agree with you. A lot the people doing the damage are from outside and have no interest in what happened to George Floyd. They're there to steal and to try and create civil unrest in hopes that it will lead to a revolution. I think you are exactly right.... there were a lot of good people out there to protest initially. But if somebody is still hanging around when other people are setting stuff on fire and looting, then they're no longer a protester.

You’ll know more about this than I do.... I’ve always assumed that the protections provided by their contracts are why officers are always placed in some type of leave (typically paid) even when the actions of those officers are egregious. I read where NYPD had the cop that was blamed for Eric Garner’s asthma attack on some kind of restricted duty for 5 years before they finally just canned him based on the recommendation of a citizens’ review panel. Is it just me, or are the police offices’ unions the red headed step children of the union-loving left?

I don’t see a problem.

No. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that there are protections afforded by the collective bargaining agreement between the CITY and the police officers that were just broken at the mayor’s instruction. I have a feeling that the City of Minne will need to keep their checkbook out after they write that 7 figure check to Floyd’s family.... my guess is that some (or all) of these officers will receive settlements of their own. You can’t just fire people when their under contract, even if it makes your constituents happy. I remember a story that I read a long time ago where a mob wanted “justice” and they kept at it until they convinced local governance to act. They ended up crucifying the man over it. I think he was Hispanic. His name was Javier or Jose or something like that.

It’s not about the response. It’s simply people who have a dislike for cops/white people/society and they see a chance break the law with impunity. If I was so scared of cops, why would I go to where they just killed somebody and start conspicuously breaking the law? Nothing says “we’re not gonna take it” quite like running out of Target with an armful of Pampers. There are a mix of people rioting. Some of them are the criminal element. They’re the ones they don’t evacuate for hurricanes so that they can loot. Some are protestors who just get caught up in the lawlessness. There are a LOT of liberal/commie/anarchist in the mix, too. That’s why it takes a couple of days to get cranked up... they have to travel in from wherever they are. Just check out the graffiti. Good spelling, perfect grammar, decent handwriting. I’ve never seen a black person tagging with anarchy symbols, but they’re everywhere in the photos. Anti-capitalist tags galore, too. My real hope is the same that I have every time this stuff kicks off. I really hope none of those fools ever get the idea to bring that mess to the civilized areas. If those type of protestors ever manage to wake up those of us that just sit back and shake our heads, they’re not going to like the way things work out for themselves.

Yeah... that whole thing has jumped the shark. Big protest planned in Beaumont tonight. It’d be nice if somebody gave a crap about the black people actually murdered here, but they don’t. Never have, never will. The whole thing is a joke. Nothing says “stop treating us like animals” quite like going out and acting like one.

The coroner hasn’t said anything about his death yet that I can find. Do you have a source?

Oh, we’re talking about different cases. The dyspnea claim was about Eric Garner, the morbidly obese diabetic asthmatic that died of an asthma attack following an altercation with police in NYC a few years ago. It was an event in which the officer was no-billed by a grand jury and the Department of Justice was unable to find grounds upon which to charge the officer. But it’s drawing comparisons to the George Floyd death in MN this week.

[Hidden Content] You don’t even have to read the article. The headline should do the trick. ASTHMA. The states medical examiner asserted that the asthma attack was triggered by the “choke,” and the defense’s own medical examiner agreed asthma but countered that it wasn’t caused by the choke. It’s kinda like if that man had tried to run and had a heart attack, it would somehow be the policeman’s fault. Even the United States Department of Justice agreed that the officer did nothing for which he should be tried, much less convicted.

Check the link. Total murders were 14,123.... Blacks were 7407 of that total. That's over 50%.