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Lol... did you miss what just happened. When somebody (TVC) is losing a debate, they start spouting their credentials as if that will somehow make their wrong assertion somehow become right. Whether he wants to admit it or not, the police directing a citizen towards civilian watch group or a concerned former LEO private citizen neighbor is the epitome of community policing. That’s why he disengaged and started talking credentials. He knows he misspoke. Besides... everybody knows that on a rookie cop’s first day they tell him/her to “forget every thing that you learned in the academy.... those guys are dummies.” And I had to fix it to read “uninformed” because it autocorrected to “uniformed.”🤣 But I’m nothing if not humble. I think it’s safe to say that I dropped a round there... but I’m still way up on the cards, lol.

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Not really... I went back through his posts and It seems like his take is a little bit more “those guys were cowboys” than “they’re a bunch of psycho redneck vigilantes.” It was so subtle that I missed it. As an instructor, I also think that he would be particularly loathsome towards a LEO like the shooter’s dad that wouldn’t bother to keep up with his CEs. I’m also curious as to whether TVC would be as critical if the same exact scenario except that had been a uniformed officer getting out of a police cruiser instead. Because honestly, those howling these circumstances would still be howling if it had been a uniformed cop pulling the trigger... I have a feeling that the big problem is that TVC doesn’t feel like the thin blue line In his profile pic extends to retirees’ kids.

Thanks for your explanation on your background. I’m going to go back and reread your posts... Quick question, though... Do you feel like your views are shared by most of your fellow LEOs, or are your views kinda unique in your field?

Fact. Statistics show that 500+ white people were killed by black people in 2016. That same year something like 229 black people were killed by white people. Those are the statistics reported. When you then factor in how many more White people there are in the US than black people, it’s even more stark. That’s not evidence, those are facts. So... if I (White dude) am something like FIVE TIMES more likely to be murdered by a black person than a black person is likely to be murdered by a white person.... please help me understand why I should believe that black people are somehow in more danger? They need you upset...when you start thinking for yourself it’s gonna be earth-shattering.

So what you’re saying is that if we found out that the shooter had been posting on white supremacist message boards three years ago, you would say that his postings from 3 years ago were in no way indicative of the way he felt about people of color today? Because I would disagree with you.

Sorry, my uninformed friend...... [Hidden Content] "Police and citizens often come into contact with each other for reasons other than criminal investigation. In addition to enforcing criminal law, police officers often engage in community service. Community service may include providing information and/or assistance to people in need, as well as offering youth education and coordinating community outreach efforts. In many communities, police officers network to establish partnerships between residents and the law enforcement agency. Community-oriented policing seeks to address the causes of crime and to reduce fear of social disorder through problem-solving strategies and police- community partnerships. Typically, it involves a greater use of foot and bicycle patrols and frequent meetings with community groups." You see, "community policing" means a lot of things.... of which helping neighbors help neighbors.... I'll be honest. I'm impressed that a cop would know enough about a neighborhood to realize that a retired officer/investigator lived nearby and would be able/willing to help. But to you he's a "rogue cop." Let me guess... if you have bothered to watch the video uploaded this morning of the previous encounter that Mr. Arbery had with law enforcement in 2017, you're initial reaction is to say "well, he still didn't deserve to be murdered" instead of thinking ...."jeez, this kid has a hard on for authority" and that attitude means that you're a part of the problem.

Welcome to the dark side, my son..... let the hate flow through you!

I saw another source confirming that it was him. I didn't take anything from the video other than he seemed to be aggressive when dealing with the police. It's not hard to imagine him exercising even less restraint with civilians. It's what I suspected all along.

I wonder if that clip is legit? Even if it’s not Arbery, it’s a good illustration of what I’m talking about. You have cops who expect the worst out of young black men, and it’s understandable... you have young black men who are also expecting the worst out of cops, so I can recognize some of that anger comes from. BOTH sides have some work to do. When I was this young man’s age I was a long hair with a hot rod. We were constantly attracting the attention of law enforcement to the point that it sometimes felt like we were being picked on... we ended up with a lot of their attention. The big differences were that those were choices that we made to attract that attention, and you could lose that attention with a haircut and different ride... young men like this one can’t escape the suspicion that goes with being young and black. Also, the attention that we received involved tickets and the occasional cussing... nobody EVER had any type of weapon pointed at them. So it’s not really all that comparable.

That’s funny... every progressive out there says that the key to solving the most dangerous problem facing black America today (rouge cops) was COMMUNITY POLICING! This, my friend, is what “community policing” looks like, and you’re hoping that the cop gets “spanked” or loses his job over it. This is what Kap was hoping to create by wearing his piggy socks.

Jasper is always a tough out, lol.

That’s what I said when we were purely slot-T. The only time our secondary saw defended passes was on Friday Nights. I’m not sure how you fix that.

Well, since I started both of those topics, I'll feel free to address.... unless you have a problem with that, too. The only thing "racially sensitive" about either topic is that some people get really sensitive when discussing matters of race. Unless, of course, we're talking "privilege" and "oppression." Then it's okay. The Jasper underage/sex assault story was literally the only "sports" story on the local news broadcast last week, and it was the top news story for at least one of those days. And as far as race goes, there was no racial angle about that story. When the story broke, I had no idea whether the race of the victim. My guess it wasn't a "racially sensitive" topic until YOU realized that there were different races involved. But thank you for emphasizing my point for me. Some people can't seem to understand that it's not always about race. [Hidden Content] Also... Back in December the local police out there directed the homeowner to contact his neighbor (the shooter's dad) the next time somebody went into his house because the police were tired of repeated phone calls from the property owner. That kinda busts the media narrative about "there had been no other break-ins in the area, other than the shooter's truck" lie that was getting pushed around since day one. That's been my point all along.... the only "racial angle" that can be seen here is that the victim and shooter are of different races. That's it.

I forgot about them... I was a little underwhelmed by the new football coach's record. I've got my fingers crossed that I was incorrect. United has the horses in the stable, no doubt.

Who said that? WHO SAID THAT?!!!!!!!!!

But then how would we know who to vote for?

I still remember when Walmart came to town and killed all of the mom and pop shops. Nobody realized what it mean until the whole downtown was dead. Instead of having lots of prosperous business owners, you end up with lots of hourly Walmart workers and the gross profits leave the community and go to Bentonville, Arkansas. Buying foreign has the same effect. There’s American owned/made, American assembled (where the profits go home to Japan) and then outright foreign owned/made. Each foreign purchase is another step towards financial ruin. An economics professor explained it like this. You have ships bringing consumable goods and then taking money back with them. At the end of the day, “they” have our treasure and we have bunch of broke down junk. That’s why we should all be up in arms over the trade imbalance instead of fighting to save a few cents by buying foreign products.

That’s not a bad start. I’m curious if things are any better in districts that end up with a freshman campus. Those kids are in a really weird bracket. Too mature to be around the pre-teens but not ready for the upperclassmen, either.

Whether they’re affected or not, they would still bring it home and infect others... moms, dads, grandparents. But I think we’re gonna have to open it up regardless.

The VIN is the key... if it starts with a 1, it was assembled here. Any other first number means a different country of origin.

Yeah... you can’t talk to kids at that age. And even if you did somehow manage to get your point across, all it takes is a pic of a nipple and everything that they know goes right out the window. I would have been the same way.

It’s tough because you have to draw a line somewhere. 3 years difference where the younger party is at least 14 is where the line got penciled in. It’s even more nutty because so many of us end up married to women who have a greater age difference than three years. And you’ve got kids trying to hash out the legalities with raging hormones. The whole situation is just goofy.

Yeah... I understood what Kountzer was saying he's just using backwards directions. Two ways of looking at it from my perspective. Either the young man was trying to avoid the confrontation by going around the right side of the truck (which is what I believe) or he was doing what my military friends would call a "flanking maneuver" which I highly doubt. My assertion was that by the time he got to the front of the truck (a) Mr. Arbery was in fear for his life and thought his best bet was to try and disarm the gentleman with the shotgun or (b) Mr. Arbery got angry and let his emotions and adrenaline get the best of him. I tend to think "b." Both parties had the option of doing things differently and I believe that if either of them had made better choices, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

That's not accurate. The homeowner had installed a motion detecting security system with three cameras after the place being visited a few times. On the night of 2/11 (12 days before the killing) the system notified him of an intrusion and he called a neighbor (Perez) who armed himself and went to the site. When Perez got there Travis (the eventual shooter) was there and the police were notified. I've listened to the 911 calls. Perez also believed that the subject captured on the cameras on 2/11 was Arbery. There is supposedly other photos of a person identified as Mr. Arbery in the structure as far back as December, but I can't verify that, so don't quote me. [Hidden Content] I personally don't think he stole anything from the site.