CardinalBacker

I think it's a lot closer to 50-50 than most people from schools with a lot of talent believe. Quite often those athletes are a product of a preparation in a system that goes back 6 or more years. When you start naming great athletes that came from your program, ask yourself "how successful would they have been if they'd played for a crappy program?" I use WOS as an example. The Mustang faithful always go back to it being the athletes, not coaching that made them great. All they need to do is hire one of CT's old assistants and there WILL be a return to glory, right? How many WOS kids are in the NFL right now? How many are playing D1 ball? Being a part of that program helped to make good athletes have great high school careers. But it's a mixture... the best coaching in the world won't help a bunch of unathletic kids get to the State Championship.... but top notch coaching can help a bunch of good players have a GREAT season/career.

But the last act of the outgoing board was to extend the super for three years… and Burkeville had to cough up three years worth of his salary, if my memory is correct. It was a very costly decision and I’m pretty sure Burkeville has had two supers since. I mean, the new board won and made good on their promise, but the whole ISD lost in regards to a severance that cost the school hundreds of thousands… and they had to hire another super.

I thought we’d see a slight decline in year one (maybe drop a district game) noticeable decline in year two (maybe a loss or two in district) and by year three post CT you’d be fielding an entire group that had never really played under him. Year three was when I thought it would start to really fall off… but in my mind, year three wouldn’t be as bad as the last two years have been already. If WOS goes a different direction (and I don’t think that they do… no time soon, anyways), it’ll be starting from scratch. It doesn’t matter if you run the 50 if the guy coaching it up can’t match the guy y’all used to have. I think the problem is still that WOS fans are still not realizing what made them great. It was a combo.. pretty good athletes, developed in a pretty good system, with great community support and an absolutely top notch HC. I’ll be the first to confirm that CT in Bridge City would have yielded a fair share of DCs, but I don’t know if we get any rings. But I also think that WOS would have little to no hardware to show for the last 25 years if not for CT and his player development, either. Help me understand… if the a man is a HC/AD and has the full support of his super, why would he resign to go be a line coach elsewhere? I’ll bet HH gets extended before he gets run off. The super is gonna let y’all know that football doesn’t run WOS anymore. He couldn’t have done it before, but the community empowered him with their protests.

What about Earl’s brother? I understand that they are into the same thangs.

I guess those guys with “ties to the program” will suddenly become winners once they take the reins at WOS…. Because they can’t seem to string wins together anywhere else. It’s like this… one thing has been constant at WOS for decades. One thing the community has BADLY mistaken is that the athletes haven’t been uniformly awesome for all of those years… the coaching was. And I hate to point out the obvious, but the current coach isn’t doing a bad job…. He’s actually a decent coach and his teams have performed well against top ranked competition. But now you’ve had a two-year decline in preparation at the varsity level, but it’s been a break at lower levels, too. Kids have lost two years of development from the 7th grade on up. It’s simple, really. If WOS wants to resume being the “winningest program in Texas,” all they have to do is hire a hall of fame level coach. But it’s not going to be easy considering that they only got a baker’s dozen of burnouts to pick from before the hired the current coach and the program fell off to where it is today. And y’all need to figure out who’s going to buy out a super AND a coach…. It’s not cheap.

It doesn’t help that HJ is in a stacked district. The four seed out of this district would be the one seed in a lot of other districts. You’re basically guaranteed four losses in district if your team isn’t pretty darn good.

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So…. Is this considered less than 112%?

I ask again… what happens first? WOS winning a DC or WOS misses the playoffs? Can we do a poll?

No way.

I’m a little surprised.

I don’t understand why this isn’t KFDM’s game of the week.

I was about to say.

I was there…. The bands/temps/goalposts were the same for Silsbee and Cuero. What I did see was Silsbee having to convert 4 and long at the end of the game to stay alive. It seemed like Silsbee stayed in the game based on athleticism and luck… Cuero just kept executing. Cuero never kicked a returnable ball to Silsbee, but Silsbee kept kicking it to the kid from Cuero who would just gash the tigers for multiple big returns. That’s just my opinion based on what I saw-and there weren’t any D1 looking kids in green that day, as far as i could tell.

Cuero had a better gameplan and made adjustments. Silsbee had the playmakers.

As bad as it pains me to say it, I think your Tigres will win by at least 14.

Silsbee wins this one… but I’d like to see them DISMANTLE HF if I’m going to buy into them making to Dallas in December.

I think Jasper probably wins this one… I’ve got to admit, though-I don’t feel like Jasper is living up to my expectations at this point-nobody is sold on them beating a “down” WOS squad. I expected them to be a coin flip vs Silsbee this year for the DC, not a coin flip vs HF and WOS.

Well, for starters it’s illegal. It is illegal for an employer to discriminate against a job applicant because of his or her race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information. Just like it would be wrong for BC to ignore any candidates of color when we have our next coaching opening. Secondly, you’re practically guaranteeing a lower quality hire because you’re taking a smaller pool of applicants-your chief criteria is no longer hiring another hall of famer, it’s hiring a black dude. It’s just some Jim Crow Era thinking, but you don’t see a problem with it because it benefits you.

[Hidden Content] It’s been beaten to death at this point.

But to further clarify.. I'm not saying that WOS should have hired a white guy, or they can't win with a black coach.... that's untrue. I just think that a lot of good coaches of all colors decided to skip the circus down in WOS. The public (through their racist actions) empowered the super/admin to make what seems to be a bad hire. That's my point.

Here's the thing... they had a hall of fame coach in CT. There was petition passed around to have him replaced because he was a "racist." Then he retired. Many in the community had already expressed a desire that the next HC at WOS be black. Because, of course, some people wrongly believe that it's not racist to say "yeah, we're gonna hire a black dude this time." By the time that the applicant list was released, there were only 13 applicants for the position of Head Coach of the winningest football program in Texas. 13. Do you want to guess how many people applied for the last opening for a perennial loser like BC? But don't take my word for it. [Hidden Content] How many of those 13 applicants weren't black? Three or four by my math... and the reason is that EVERYBODY knew that the folks making the decisions in West Orange were going hire a black dude, no matter what... especially in light of the petition that they passed around to get rid of the best thing that ever happened to West Orange Football. So you really shouldn't be too surprised when the people who follow the sport are delighting in the fact that the community/admin's racist ploy to hire "a coach that looks like us" has blown up in their faces. My opinion? WOS should have hired the best guy for the job (regardless of his/her skin color), but it was gonna be hard to find another Hall of Fame coach... and previously playing for one or even working as an assistant under one won't do the trick, as evidenced by the win/loss records of guys like Toby. But you only have yourselves to blame for the mess you find yourselves in now. Who knows? Maybe if you hadn't been so overt in your branding CT a racist and then publicizing the fact that y'all didn't care if a coach was any good, just so long as he was black, you'd have gotten some decent candidates. The public and the admin decided that some things were more important than winning, and they got what they asked for.

Ladybug: “they just hired the wrong black guy.”

Truer words have never been spoken.

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