CardinalBacker

Being able to take the test has nothing to do with affirmative action. It’s a separate issue. Affirmative action would be to say “we’re going to test all of the applicants and the highest scores will be hired. All black applicants will be given an extra 50 points ABOVE their actual score.” It would give certain applicants an advantage over other applicants. Not being able access the hiring process, then accessing the hiring process and beating everybody else head-up? There’s nothing wrong with that. There should be no racial preferences given in hiring. Period. I think what you are arguing is “preferences are fine, but only when it’s people like me getting preferential treatment.”

I’ve always felt like it violated the equal protection clause, but up until recently the Supreme Court didn’t agree.

I don’t think it’s that, I just don’t think she realizes that for someone to get preference, someone else is getting done wrong.

To continue, if your dad got his job via affirmative action, he was given special treatment because of his race. If your dad got the opportunity to test after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and scored highest on the test, he didn’t need special consideration via affirmative action. It’s like this- the DPS decided that they needed to diversify in the 1990s. They wanted to hire 60% minorities and women. Here’s the problem… 80% of their applicants were white dudes. If you were a white guy, you had to be a superstar to get hired… but if you were a minority/women, all you had to do was apply and you got hired. That’s what happened, it wasn’t fair, and by definition it made the force of lesser quality because you were no longer hiring the best candidates. But to go back to DuPont, I did know a guy that worked at the Beaumont works in that time frame. Their staff really was pretty white, if you know what I mean. A management position opened up and a bunch of dudes applied internally. Well, the company really wanted a token minority in that spot, but there really weren’t a lot of options in house. So they did the next best thing. They hired a black female from outside of the company. This is a true story-she had management experience. She was an assistant manager at the Dairy Queen on Washington Blvd, then the next day she was a supervisor at DuPont. Success story, right? Wrong. First, you hired somebody that was completely unqualified. Secondly, you alienate your entire existing work force. Eventually a decision was made to close the whole show and send the most senior employees to the Sabine River Works in Orange. The lucky guys got to transfer and the unlucky ones got sent home. But you’ll never guess what happened…. DuPont got sued for what… racial discrimination by black guys who didn’t get to transfer because so many of the newer hires were affirmative action hires!!! You can’t make this stuff up.

I think you’ve got misunderstanding of what we’re talking about. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 made it illegal to discriminate against certain groups in the hiring process. Before 1964 it wasn’t illegal for a firm to decide “we just don’t want any of THOSE people working here.” I don’t know about DuPont prior to that, but it was SETX and your dad might be right… it probably WAS hard for a black man to hire in at a lot of places. Affirmative Action was a tool used to force companies to hire more protected class workers. Simply put, Affirmative action in the United States consists of government-mandated, government-approved, and voluntary private programs granting special consideration to historically excluded groups, specifically racial minorities or women.

You don’t even understand what affirmative action is. It’s PREFERENCE given to people based on their race. And here’s the thing. It doesn’t matter to me if that’s how your dad got his job. I’m certain that it did a lot of good for your family. But it wasn’t fair, and somebody else never got that opportunity based on their skin color. Here’s the real problem. Black people always want to talk about race when it benefits them. There aren’t enough black qbs in the nfl… they need to do something. But you don’t have a problem with most of the running backs, corners, and safeties being black. You aren’t saying “oh, we need more white guys in the secondary…. This just isn’t fair.” You play the race card when it benefits you. You’re right… you can’t erase the past…. But you can’t live in it either. And supporting a modern injustice just because your granny supposedly had to ride on the back of a bus 60 years ago is pathetic. I’d be more worried about why my community is still choosing to ride buses in 2023.

You believe that you deserve compensation for things that didn’t happen to you, and it should be paid by people who didn’t even commit those acts. It’s as stupid as me going to the courthouse tomorrow and filing a lawsuit against you because in 1862 my grandfather got ran over and killed by a covered wagon driven by somebody whose not even kin to you. And if you don’t want to pay me $600,000 then there’s something wrong with you.

But that’s the problem. If your dad was given a shot based on his skin color, then somebody else lost a shot based on their skin color. How is that okay? It’s not. But I’ll fill you in on a secret. A large portion of the black population can focus on nothing but race. I know a woman whose dad worked a job at Dupont that he fit because of Affirmative Action, then she went to college, and her kids are at private universities. She’s the most privileged person that I’ve Eve heard described, but if you ask her she’ll say, “yeah, but it was all done in spite of white supremacy, official oppression, and 400 years of slavery.” ”Equality” doesn’t mean that you get to go to the front of the line because you’re black.

“Principal’s Cones.”

I’ll use an example… Let’s imagine young black dude that’s in his early 30s… didn’t finish high school, has a felony, 4 kids by 3 different women, won’t show up for work five days a week, can’t hardly speak the king’s English, and has a neck tattoo. Can’t even get a TWIC card to get into the plants. That’s all systemic racism, oppression, 400 year legacy of slavery, and white privilege all working against him…. That’s what you’d have us believe. Except the guy really does exist… I know him-it’s all true except for the part about being black. This dude is white. I can freely admit that this guy is a screwup. But you can’t consider the possibility that our imaginary black guy is to blame for any of the problems he has. It’s all racism. You cry about systemic racism, but you can’t point to a single policy in effect today that negatively affects black people. On the other hand, until yesterday we could look at affirmative action in college admissions as just one of many codified examples of policies that “help” blacks people at the expense of other racial groups. Privilege is a lie.

Yes, they did… they had the same opportunities as my parents. They weren’t honest with you. It’s all simply self-victimization. No matter what, it isn’t your fault because of the blue-eyed boogeyman OR you did it in spite of the blue eyed boogeyman.

Investigation insinuates that the construction crew was doing a great job when Hickman came in and changed everything up.

Racism exists in more ways than you think. Asian kids with super grades who can’t get into top level schools because their race is “over represented.” Meanwhile kids with lower scores are admitted because of their skin color. How is that not institutional racism. Affirmative Action is just racism by another name. Whether your goal is white supremacy or “social Justice,” it doesn’t matter. It’s just helping one group by means of hurting another, and there really is no justification for it. Somebody else pointed out two things that I’d never thought of in regards to how affirmative action has hurt black kids, too. If you accept a kid who isn’t up to the normal acceptance standards but gets in based on his/her skin color, you’re automatically setting them up to be the worst performing student in the group. Quite often the water is just too deep once they’ve been “gifted” acceptance based on their color instead of their abilities and intellect. Secondly, pretend that you are a black kid who got in the old fashioned way. You really ARE that guy, regardless of your race… except everybody thinks that you got in because of your race. You’ll spend all of your time trying to prove your worth. I’m aware of multiple examples where qualified individuals were passed over in favor of less or even unqualified minority candidates. Texas DPS in the 1990s and KCS Railroad in the 1970s just from personal examples.

You and I disagree… I think that your success comes from your actions, and from having a firm foundation of people in your family as examples. I think that most people who are successful and people who are unsuccessful both get there via their own actions and the support given to them by their families. A person’s race has nothing to do with it. If we can accept that a lot of white people are screwups and make absolute wrecks out of their lives, then why is it not okay to admit that the same is true for some black people? “No, it’s racism.”

If you kept going backwards you’d find someone someplace. That’s why the “descended from” argument is such a joke. You have two parents, four grands, 8 great grands. The average person is seven generations removed from the time of slavery. Every person seven generations removed from the time of slavery has 128 direct ancestors from that single generation… 256 if they’re eight generations removed. And we’re surprised that one of those 256 people may have been a slaveowner (or slave, for that matter). Im just trying to figure out which one of my ancestors were enslaved so I can get my reparations, too.

We should beat Buna. Wins over HJ and Liberty would be considered a surprisingly good outcome. FWIW, I don’t think we’d be any better with Coach Snocone wearing the headphones.

It's crazy.... they have so much "evidence," but just yesterday the motion to impeach the "Big Guy" failed to move forward in the Republican House. I mean, I don't understand. It's all there on Hunter's laptop. It's a slam dunk. Must just be those pesky RINOs again. Psych! It doesn't exist. It (like Russian Collusion) never occurred.

Beaumont?

Heck, Davy Crockett’s brother sired a kid with Davy’s wife while Davy was away. What does Hunter Biden’s sex life have to do with “Christian” people voting for Trump? Like i said… Trump could assault a family member and most of y’all would ask him to sign your MAGA hat before he left

What’s joke is that y’all can’t even defend your messiah… and you can’t even find anything actually wrong with the job that Biden is doing. You think that attacking the president’s son is going to somehow win the election for Trump. Talk about jobs? Talk about the stock market? Talk about inflation coming back down? Talk about how we’re at peace? Nah, let’s talk about Hunter’s laptop. Because that’s all y’all have.

The difference is that nobody is day that Hunter Biden should be President.

“It’s okay, honey…. He’s really good for the economy.” That’s what y’all think OTHER husbands and dads should say to their female family members.

🤣😂🤣 Don’t be mad… just pretend trump said it, not me. Then you’d just bob your head and clap like a seal.

Trump has been ACTUALLY attacking female members of other peoples’ families and these guys have zero problems with it. The problem is for a brief second I caused them to imagine that it was their family member who Trump attacks next and guess what? They didn’t like the thought of it. For the briefest of moments they felt what the rest of us feel when we hear about Trump’s misdeeds.