CardinalBacker

They’re comparing apples to oranges. They’re basically saying that things are much better now for blacks than in the 1960s, but since blacks as a group lag behind, it’s proof of racism. You know who has done fantastically in the same timeframe? Africans who migrated here since 1964 and married black couples… their numbers are identical or better than white peoples’. Why does racism only seem to affect single parent black households and not two-parent households like yours? Certainly there must be some reason… oh, I forgot… “racism.”

Falcon is a sophomore there in Carthage that’s hoping to make the varsity squad this year. Go Dawgs!

It’s just the world we live in. I was watching CBS News a couple of weeks ago and they were talking with the MLB commissioner. Keep in mind that 3 of the 4 talking heads in the morning are black. The news guy hopped straight over the big news about the upcoming season to ask about any plans that the MLB has to “fix” the lack of diversity in the big leagues. Like… that’s what you want to ask about? Are we just going to pretend that the NBA isn’t almost completely comprised of black millionaires? The makeup of the nfl doesn’t reflect our racial percentages, either… but we gotta do something about baseball!!! I’m not berating the black community… I’m berating stupidity.

None of that matters today. You say “you can’t just erase the past” while simultaneously tearing down old statues, renaming schools, and trying to rewrite history. Name me a single policy in place today in the United States that is designed to oppress the black community… I’ll give you a hint… there isn’t one. Black people are given the exact same opportunities as everyone else, but they’d rather hang onto perceived slights and imagined insults while waiting for handouts than get down to business and keep up with the rest of us. The sad thing is this… you’re an example for your community. You could say “look at me and my family-we’re proof that you can easily succeed.” But you don’t… you are ashamed of your success among your peers, I’m pretty sure.

Like I said… I see a success story. Jesse Jackson was with MLK in Memphis the day he was killed… he later sat on the platform when the first black President was sworn in… what a great story. You say “oh, yeah, but why is that the only black President we’ve ever had. The next 40 should all be black, too…. We deserve it.” You never can escape from being a victim. I agree with you, though… Obama was a fine politician. He got himself elected and re-elected…. And trump is an idiot… but apparently a lot of idiots like him, too.

Absolutely.

My source? You. Black people fled the south for places like Chicago, Detroit, California. They left to escape racist attitudes that used to be prevalent in the South and they went for JOBS. You want to pretend like there was not a single black person with a job prior to affirmative action, but then you’ll carry on about how racists destroyed the black Wall Street in Tulsa a hundred years ago. How is it that y’all had a black Wall Street if nobody could get a job? Fast forward to 2023 and you argue that every black person today should be entitled to special treatment because a few black people (but nowhere near all of them) experienced racism 3 or 4 generations ago. To be honest, if reparations were paid fairly , you’d be entitled to nothing based on your success that you like to talk about. To be completely honest, there isn’t a single living victim of chattel slavery in the US. And there hasn’t been in probably 70 years. You’ve never experienced institutional racism, either. Has somebody called you a name over the years? Probably… does that mean we all owe you something? No, ma’am. There are very few people alive today that can tell you what being a victim of racism feels like… the rest of y’all just want to pretend.

I’ve read the manuscript and my favorites parts were the three chapters where he wrote about the mighty Jack Dallas and how he should have won the WRS three years in a row.

Yes, ma’am. Black people have been guaranteed a chance since 1964. And millions were given chances prior to that. I think that you don’t understand what an opportunity really is. The chance to be considered for employment is all a person is owed. The job itself isn’t the opportunity. And the idea that prior to 1964 a small segment of the black population might have been excluded from good jobs is no reason to give black people special privileges in the hiring process in 2023. But like I keep saying …. You easily agree that the NFL puts the best possible player on the field at rb, corner, etc… but they turn into a bunch of racists when they choose qbs… while the rest of us can admit that there really aren’t any black Tom Bradys, Mannings, etc… you get a lot of great dual threat qbs who can run (Lamar Jackson, Dak, Jalen Hurts, etc…) better than the white dudes and throw pretty well, but that’s not the skill set that tends to win championships. You just see color. And that is racism at its purest form

I hate it because she’s obviously not a dumb person. I just don’t know how that group mentality ever gets better. It’s deeper than simply changing voting patterns and I believe that the change would have to come internally-it’s nothing that someone from outside the group could ever initiate. That’s probably my biggest gripe about President Obama. You have a guy that could have said “look at me… I’m proof that it’s done. White people literally just elected a black president- welcome to post racial America!” Instead we got talk of reparations, affirmative action, social Justice, etc. At one point he was the most powerful man on the planet and just last week he was talking about how he’s just a victim who made it in spite of racism. The ease with which that community accepts victimhood never ceases to amaze me.

Your biases make you incapable of higher level thought. The Supreme Court just ruled that your way if thinking is unconstitutional. You believe that you are due special treatment solely because of your skin color. That’s textbook racism, ma’am. Trying to pawn it off as being part of God’s chosen race, or because of the inferiority of others, or because bad things might have happened generations ago makes no difference… it’s still wrong. But I do think that your beliefs are typical for your race, and waiting around for your special privileges instead of making a go of the system we have is why your community as a whole has fallen behind all others in practically every possible measure. You’ll never get ahead waiting for a handout.

I vaguely remember that, now that you mention it. The big picture is just hard. What are we supposed to do when a segment of the population whole-heartedly believes that they are due special treatment because of their skin color? Especially when it’s their own educated and leaders that keep pushing that false narrative?

Being able to take the test has nothing to do with affirmative action. It’s a separate issue. Affirmative action would be to say “we’re going to test all of the applicants and the highest scores will be hired. All black applicants will be given an extra 50 points ABOVE their actual score.” It would give certain applicants an advantage over other applicants. Not being able access the hiring process, then accessing the hiring process and beating everybody else head-up? There’s nothing wrong with that. There should be no racial preferences given in hiring. Period. I think what you are arguing is “preferences are fine, but only when it’s people like me getting preferential treatment.”

I’ve always felt like it violated the equal protection clause, but up until recently the Supreme Court didn’t agree.

I don’t think it’s that, I just don’t think she realizes that for someone to get preference, someone else is getting done wrong.

To continue, if your dad got his job via affirmative action, he was given special treatment because of his race. If your dad got the opportunity to test after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and scored highest on the test, he didn’t need special consideration via affirmative action. It’s like this- the DPS decided that they needed to diversify in the 1990s. They wanted to hire 60% minorities and women. Here’s the problem… 80% of their applicants were white dudes. If you were a white guy, you had to be a superstar to get hired… but if you were a minority/women, all you had to do was apply and you got hired. That’s what happened, it wasn’t fair, and by definition it made the force of lesser quality because you were no longer hiring the best candidates. But to go back to DuPont, I did know a guy that worked at the Beaumont works in that time frame. Their staff really was pretty white, if you know what I mean. A management position opened up and a bunch of dudes applied internally. Well, the company really wanted a token minority in that spot, but there really weren’t a lot of options in house. So they did the next best thing. They hired a black female from outside of the company. This is a true story-she had management experience. She was an assistant manager at the Dairy Queen on Washington Blvd, then the next day she was a supervisor at DuPont. Success story, right? Wrong. First, you hired somebody that was completely unqualified. Secondly, you alienate your entire existing work force. Eventually a decision was made to close the whole show and send the most senior employees to the Sabine River Works in Orange. The lucky guys got to transfer and the unlucky ones got sent home. But you’ll never guess what happened…. DuPont got sued for what… racial discrimination by black guys who didn’t get to transfer because so many of the newer hires were affirmative action hires!!! You can’t make this stuff up.

I think you’ve got misunderstanding of what we’re talking about. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 made it illegal to discriminate against certain groups in the hiring process. Before 1964 it wasn’t illegal for a firm to decide “we just don’t want any of THOSE people working here.” I don’t know about DuPont prior to that, but it was SETX and your dad might be right… it probably WAS hard for a black man to hire in at a lot of places. Affirmative Action was a tool used to force companies to hire more protected class workers. Simply put, Affirmative action in the United States consists of government-mandated, government-approved, and voluntary private programs granting special consideration to historically excluded groups, specifically racial minorities or women.

You don’t even understand what affirmative action is. It’s PREFERENCE given to people based on their race. And here’s the thing. It doesn’t matter to me if that’s how your dad got his job. I’m certain that it did a lot of good for your family. But it wasn’t fair, and somebody else never got that opportunity based on their skin color. Here’s the real problem. Black people always want to talk about race when it benefits them. There aren’t enough black qbs in the nfl… they need to do something. But you don’t have a problem with most of the running backs, corners, and safeties being black. You aren’t saying “oh, we need more white guys in the secondary…. This just isn’t fair.” You play the race card when it benefits you. You’re right… you can’t erase the past…. But you can’t live in it either. And supporting a modern injustice just because your granny supposedly had to ride on the back of a bus 60 years ago is pathetic. I’d be more worried about why my community is still choosing to ride buses in 2023.

You believe that you deserve compensation for things that didn’t happen to you, and it should be paid by people who didn’t even commit those acts. It’s as stupid as me going to the courthouse tomorrow and filing a lawsuit against you because in 1862 my grandfather got ran over and killed by a covered wagon driven by somebody whose not even kin to you. And if you don’t want to pay me $600,000 then there’s something wrong with you.

But that’s the problem. If your dad was given a shot based on his skin color, then somebody else lost a shot based on their skin color. How is that okay? It’s not. But I’ll fill you in on a secret. A large portion of the black population can focus on nothing but race. I know a woman whose dad worked a job at Dupont that he fit because of Affirmative Action, then she went to college, and her kids are at private universities. She’s the most privileged person that I’ve Eve heard described, but if you ask her she’ll say, “yeah, but it was all done in spite of white supremacy, official oppression, and 400 years of slavery.” ”Equality” doesn’t mean that you get to go to the front of the line because you’re black.

“Principal’s Cones.”

I’ll use an example… Let’s imagine young black dude that’s in his early 30s… didn’t finish high school, has a felony, 4 kids by 3 different women, won’t show up for work five days a week, can’t hardly speak the king’s English, and has a neck tattoo. Can’t even get a TWIC card to get into the plants. That’s all systemic racism, oppression, 400 year legacy of slavery, and white privilege all working against him…. That’s what you’d have us believe. Except the guy really does exist… I know him-it’s all true except for the part about being black. This dude is white. I can freely admit that this guy is a screwup. But you can’t consider the possibility that our imaginary black guy is to blame for any of the problems he has. It’s all racism. You cry about systemic racism, but you can’t point to a single policy in effect today that negatively affects black people. On the other hand, until yesterday we could look at affirmative action in college admissions as just one of many codified examples of policies that “help” blacks people at the expense of other racial groups. Privilege is a lie.

Yes, they did… they had the same opportunities as my parents. They weren’t honest with you. It’s all simply self-victimization. No matter what, it isn’t your fault because of the blue-eyed boogeyman OR you did it in spite of the blue eyed boogeyman.

Investigation insinuates that the construction crew was doing a great job when Hickman came in and changed everything up.

Racism exists in more ways than you think. Asian kids with super grades who can’t get into top level schools because their race is “over represented.” Meanwhile kids with lower scores are admitted because of their skin color. How is that not institutional racism. Affirmative Action is just racism by another name. Whether your goal is white supremacy or “social Justice,” it doesn’t matter. It’s just helping one group by means of hurting another, and there really is no justification for it. Somebody else pointed out two things that I’d never thought of in regards to how affirmative action has hurt black kids, too. If you accept a kid who isn’t up to the normal acceptance standards but gets in based on his/her skin color, you’re automatically setting them up to be the worst performing student in the group. Quite often the water is just too deep once they’ve been “gifted” acceptance based on their color instead of their abilities and intellect. Secondly, pretend that you are a black kid who got in the old fashioned way. You really ARE that guy, regardless of your race… except everybody thinks that you got in because of your race. You’ll spend all of your time trying to prove your worth. I’m aware of multiple examples where qualified individuals were passed over in favor of less or even unqualified minority candidates. Texas DPS in the 1990s and KCS Railroad in the 1970s just from personal examples.