CardinalBacker

I guess you forgot about the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004. Last time I checked, the NRA is bankrupt and the next ban won’t have a 10 year expiration. Hide and watch.

You sound like Ramos’s mom.

Kinda hard to do with a cap and ball revolver.

There’s a little difference between a car and an AR. BUT… if someone comes into a motorcycle dealer and says “I’d like to buy a motorcycle. I’ve always wanted one. How about that ZX14?” You’re probably gonna get sued if you sell it to him knowing that he’s way too inexperienced for a rig like that and he kills himself on it. Gun dealers and manufacturers have enjoyed immunity for selling guns that ended up being used criminally, but I’ve got a feeling that era is coming to a close in light of the settlement with the Sandy Hook parents. I made a similar argument about a bartender over serving and was told by TVC that the difference is that it’s illegal to sell to someone who’s inebriated. The easy work around is to pass a law that it’s illegal to sell to a mass shooter, right? i believe that there is/was a window for gun rights advocates to clean up their own house but that window is closing. Gun nuts are literally yelling “don’t blame the fentanyl… it’s not the drug’s fault so many people are overdosing.”

The same way you indict a drug dealer for murder who sells smack to a kid that overdoses.

You keep missing exactly what I’m saying…but you’re agreeing partially without even realizing it. New gun laws aren’t the answer. Gun owners, dealers, and lobbyists need to take the lead in policing themselves or whatever you want to call it. That’s what I’ve been trying to say all along. Lock up your guns. Yes, your little is Johnny is no different than Ramos…. I don’t care if you have taught him all about firearm safety. Don’t sell your personal guns to anyone you don’t already trust with your life. Dealers and manufacturers need to be responsible. The problem is that whenever you try to talk common sense with a gun nut, all he can say is some regurgitated mess about the second amendment and those darned democrats. This weekend we’re remembering those brave service men/women that gave their lives protecting our freedom. We should also be remembering all of the kids who’ve died (and will continue to die) so we can keep sticking our head in the sand and pretending that this isn’t a gun issue. The liberals all argue that we don’t have a drug problem in America… we have an addiction/mental health problem. In fact, drugs should be readily available to anyone that wants them. You know, even open stores where you can buy them without an ID. And we all agree that those politicians are stupid and cause the issues that we have in major cities… homelessness, crime, etc. What happens if you mix up that narrative a little bit? The gun guys all argue that we don’t have a gun problem in America… we have an addiction/mental health problem. In fact, guns should be readily available to anyone that wants them. You know, even open stores where you can buy them without even registering them. It sounds trite, but guns ARE a huge part of the problem. Could this have happened with one man and a musket? One man with a sword? 21 people murdered with a pocketknife? The fact that it’s so easy for a whacko to get his hands on a weapon that is capable of doing this much damage should cause concern for even the most die-hard gun enthusiast.

Beto’s stunt will energize his base. I think it rings hollow with the moderates and they’re the only ones who matter. If Beto came up with a solid proposal or two (not “we’re coming after your ARs”) Abbott would be in trouble. Wait… I thought Beto was Biden’s Gun Czar? He needs to look in the mirror 🤣😂🤣

That’s kinda my deal with campus cops. Typically they’re guys who are just hanging around waiting for their pension. The ISD cop there in Florida wouldn’t engage and now it’s looking like the campus police chief there in Uvalde was in charge of the operation and had the boys waiting for tactical units. Don’t get me wrong, these guys might deter some of the events by being there, but those aren’t quantifiable. I think it’s becoming obvious that campus cops are useless when one of these actually kicks off. Don’t even get me started on what Ms Britney is gonna do if she’s the armed teacher when the poo hits the fan.

I think this is the point that I keep coming back to… The gun rights people refuse to take any ownership of the problem, but it’s getting to the point where reasonable people have had enough and will find themselves siding with the lefties. Instead of being a LEO, imagine yourself as a gun dealer. Do you sell to this kid? He comes into your shop and wants two ARs and a thousand rounds. Of course you do, because somebody’s got to feed the bulldog. Or if you’re capable of manufacturing bumpstocks, do you? I mean, they obviously serve no useful purpose except indiscriminate fire. But you build them anyways, because “freedom.” At some point the gun rights guys steadfast refusal to do ANYTHING to combat the wave of these shootings has become a huge problem. I’ve asked a dozen times “what can be done” and the answer from the people who actually own guns is always “well, first off, I’m not doing anything.” And for the people who think arming teachers is the answer, how well would a 4th Reading teacher with a pink .380 have done against this kid?

How do you feel about criminally charging gun dealers after they sell to a mass shooter? It’s no different than charging a bartender who overserves. I’ve also mentioned outlawing bumpstocks. I’ve mentioned criminally charging parents whose kids commit these crimes.

I think I’ve give four suggestions.

To add to that thought, any time someone says “you should be responsible if your kid does this… lock up your guns” half a dozen idiots chime in “my children know how to use firearms and wound NEVER do such a thing!” Guess what, Stupid? That’s the exact same thing that every parent of a mass killer said right up until the point at which Lil’ Johnny stormed the library with his parents’ rifle. I’ve got a friend who has a kid with Down’s syndrome. She still believes that this kid (gonna be a sophomore) will be able to drive one day. She won’t…. But her mama can’t admit it. Just like this mom in Uvalde can’t understand that her sweet boy did all of this.

“Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean that nobody is out to get me.” Just because the left wants to disarm us doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t do a single thing to stop that wave of mass shootings. Anybody who screams “not an inch is just as stupid as Beto saying that he’s coming for our guns. You’re both fools.

Just because YOU keep saying that it’s not a gun issue doesn’t mean that it’s not a gun issue.

Despite the fact that this is a hotly debated political issue (gun rights vs. gun control), there comes a point in which we ALL should be talking about ways to reduce the chances of this happening again. If your solution is "we're going to take your guns," you're not being reasonable. If your response is "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED," you're being unreasonable, too.

FWIW, when I purchased my last AR online the local FFL holder literally said "check them all _______ except for the last one and sign here" or something to that affect. I'm really starting to get the opinion that we need to hold retailers responsible when events like this happens. If you overserve somebody at a bar, you get charged if they drive off and kill somebody. I'm kinda getting the same feeling about gun dealers and individuals who sell/give away their guns. If that gun dealer in Uvalde knew that he faced prison time if that goth kid in the black trench coat came in wanting to buy a couple of ARs and few hundred rounds of ammo (a humongous red flag, IMO).... this whole thing might not have happened. Kinda like when I was watching the news on the morning after the shooting in Vegas and listening to the gunfire I instantly said "holy crap.... that's full auto." Then some 2A nutjob that manufactures the "bumpstocks" comes on trying to explain how it ISN'T an automatic weapon, but rather a semi-auto that fires itself and I thought to myself... "this jerk has to know that these things will only be used for one thing... spraying a crowd... and he's trying to defend it. The gun owners are losing the argument and their too stubborn to realize it. It's time to make some changes that don't involve point our fingers at the other guys.

Well, if you're unhappy with something and unwilling to do anything about it, then you are in fact okay with it. That's just common sense. I hear what you're saying... but that also would mean that we should be able to own a fully automatic machine gun if we wished. There are restrictions in place on those (or at least you have to have a license to own one) and I think that the common sense of most people would point towards a consensus that the restrictions on automatic weapons are good thing... even if it "infringes" on your right to shoot up a school. When there are so many school shootings going on that we can't even keep track of them all anymore, it's getting a little late to keep sticking our heads in the sand as gun owners and saying "I don't care about those kids.... I've got my rights, you know." Because that's kinda what's happening these days.

So you're okay if events like the one in Uvalde keep happening? There's going to come a time when law abiding gun owners are going to have to come up with a better answer than "no." If you have no suggestions of how to make it stop other than "we need to put prayer back in schools" or "shall not be infringed," you're going to lose the argument in the long run.

I can’t stand when people fall into superfluous arguments like “can you tell me what an assault rifle is” like it’s some catch-22 that’s going to help them win a debate. Can you define a school shooting? Because that’s what we’re talking about. You don’t have to know the difference between an AR15 and an AK47 to have an opinion on kids getting mowed down in class. If they ever do enact here, it will be because of gun people who sell bump stocks, scream “what part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED do you not understand?” or refuse to at least admit that there are a heck of a lot of innocent people losing their lives via .223/5.56 rounds. Just because the left wants to use these shootings as an excuse to disarm law-abiding gun owners (typically conservatives) doesn’t mean that the repeated mass shootings shouldn’t be addressed in any way.

Don’t they keep the rifles locked away for the most part?

I wonder sometimes if I'm the only one who's walking around thinking "this is really messed up.... I wonder if we SHOULD be thinking about options?" I don't see any that wouldn't infringe upon the 2A, but I'd be interested in hearing any that might be floated.

That part about the value of human life is something that I think about a lot. It’s just commonly accepted that a person’s life just wasn’t worth as much in parts of Africa, The Middle East, South America, etc… then it kinda came to be that a person’s life wasn’t worth as much in our inner cities and even some rural areas. I think what we’re seeing is an overall decrease in the overall value of a human life anywhere in our country. I think it’s just a symptom of the degradation of our values collectively as a nation. I couldn’t help but notice Gayle King on CBS News this morning crying about “the babies” when last week she was mad as hell that the Republicans were gonna overturn Roe v Wade and make it harder for women to to abort their babies. The hypocrisy is mind blowing.

I’m well aware that a rifle is just a tool made of iron and wood… it’s a hard heart that kills. I also understand the 2A as my right to protect myself from enemies… whether they are an intruder or a tyrannical government. AR owner here. But is there anything else that we should be doing legislatively? I’ve made a few personal suggestions (lock your guns, don’t sell them to strangers, etc…) but it seems like this kid followed the law, and even if this retailer (who I’m certain is losing quite a bit of sleep) hadn’t sold this rifle to this kid, the kid was going to get his hands on one sooner or later. Does anybody have any workable ideas or suggestions that would make these scenarios less likely?

[Hidden Content] I really thought this was fake when I saw it…. It’s not.

Ummmm.... your online postings here would probably do the trick.