westend1

Man.  Brook is not good and the coaching is.........very average.  That's as nice as i can be.  Hope this isn't bashing.

Wonder why the big Castle kid isn't playing?  is he hurt?

I think he is a cool looking deer.  Honestly, I wouldn't mind having a few freaks like him running around.  More interesting than a regular old eight point.  I bet you were excited to get him.

[quote name="LumRaiderFan" post="1134027" timestamp="1322530463"] [quote author=westend1 link=topic=61122.msg1134023#msg1134023 date=1322529870] How many shooters have you seen?  If you haven't seen any, it sounds like your lease had some crappy management before the 13" rule went into effect.  Were they shooting all the young bucks that had potential? [/quote] I've seen two shooters while hunting but no shot (bowhunting only).  The area is typical for East Texas...some good deer and some inferior deer.  I hunt on a small piece of acreage that I own and also on Type II.  Do you even hunt in East Texas where this rule effects you? [/quote]  Only when I get invited to a friend's place.  But I am looking forward to getting back closer to home.  I am hoping that this rule improves the local hunting so I dont have to drive 6 hours for decent hunting.

How many shooters have you seen?  If you haven't seen any, it sounds like your lease had some crappy management before the 13" rule went into effect.  Were they shooting all the young bucks that had potential?

[quote name="LumRaiderFan" post="1133980" timestamp="1322526838"] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=61122.msg1133924#msg1133924 date=1322523895] When people start showing me trail cam or hand taken pictures of 4-5 year old deer that are 150+ pounds, thick neck, large hindquarters, etc., and are consistently less than 13", I will believe that it doesn't work. I was in south Texas two years ago at a bowhunting only day lease and a guy from east Texas killed a 1.5 year old basket rack and pencil horned 8 point. The deer still had perfect teeth with a very thin neck and was obviously a very young deer. The guy had to pay a $500 fine for the underage deer. He swore and was angry that his "mature" deer was an old deer and he had been hunting for umpteen years and could age them and this was obviously a mature blah blah blah. I'll bet that he would be glad to tell you that it was a prime example of mature deer that just won't make the 13" rule. The only thing that it is a prime example of is that he can't age deer on the hoof or even dead for that matter. The 13" is not perfect but the old rule of shooting anything that moved was hardly effective. In lieu of a better way to judge mature deer, the 13" rule is the easiest to visually see and enforce. The obvious best answer is for all hunters to do right thing while managing a deer herd. Can anyone venture to guess what the compliance rate for killing mature deer would be if it is left up to hunters? I think the truth that we routinely kill baby 4 pointers should quickly answer that question. [/quote] I have had to pass on 3 deer this year alone that needed to be culled...these deer will never be removed unless someone breaks the law. I would rather be able to make that choice myself...it's a problem not to allow for culls. I notice you want proof that it doesn't work...I want proof that this rule alone does work! [/quote]  Show us some pics of these deer that you passed on.  I'll be truly surprised if they were really mature cull bucks.

I read an article from Texas Parks guys who helped frame the new law.  They did studies, and only 4% of 3 1/2 year old deer had racks less than 13".  Of those deer, most had unforked racks their first year(shooters).  Thus, almost every deer you see will be a shooter at some point in it's life.  Here is a small portion of the article: For those wondering why, take a look at the response from Texas Parks and Wildlife Department after a regular reader of this site recommended a point-based antler regulation:     “I appreciate your comments. One thing this is unique about the Texas antler restriction regulation is that it is designed to eliminate the risk of high-grading bucks. Point restrictions certainly could result in high grading. For example, a rule allowing only bucks with 4 points on a side to be killed is allowing for the harvest of the best yearlings and protection of the poorest-quality yearlings. The reason for this is that there is no correlation between age and number of points.     However, there is a very strong correlation between age and inside spread. That’s one reason why we went with the spread restriction. Another unique aspect of the Texas model is the “slot limit” (i.e., it allows for the harvest of deer with at least one unbranched antler) — further reducing the risk of high grading. Nonetheless, this regulation does indeed protect some mature bucks with narrow spreads, which is an unintended consequence.     But the good news is that only 4 percent of all mature bucks in these Resource Management Units (RMUs) have an inside spread less than 13″ wide (based on data from thousands of harvested bucks). And long-term research has shown us that the bucks with at least one unbranched antler are more likely to be those narrow-racked bucks at maturity. So it would behoove hunters to take advantage of that second buck tag (for spikes and 3-pointers).”

Who are the lobos?

[quote name="injun" post="1133165" timestamp="1322440535"] Still waiting for all those "monster bucks" at the Moore Plantation this 13" rule was supposed to provide us.. There were a grand total of 3 weighed in at the check station opening weekend off of 26000+ acres. One was 14" and one a 16" . Not sure of the third Maybe it will take a few more years , this is only the 4th or maybe even the 5th year we have had this stupid law [/quote]  The "stupid rule" for your neighbors(2009) only went into effect two years ago.  Give it a little time.

[quote name="tvc184" post="1128350" timestamp="1322071797"] That is a very poor angle to age a deer from. You don't get a good look at the neck and brisket, you can't see the face, a good shot at the belly, the back and the hind quarters. At least 3.5 years old but the neck looks too developed from that angle but more likely in the 5.5-6.5 range. [/quote]  I was thinking 4.  Doesn't seem real saggy in the belly,  It;s hard to judge on some of these deer.  I think you might be right.  He looks a little older in this pic. [Hidden Content]

So,  how old is this buck? [Hidden Content]

[quote name="One4All" post="1127700" timestamp="1321998795"] The most winningest football program in the G.T [/quote]  Is there a reason you don't want to say what city you are from?    ??? ???

[quote name="One4All" post="1121214" timestamp="1321564166"] We here this type of stuff after ever football season......but no1 wants to play.....always an excuse [/quote]  Your boys will get their shot at the Beaumont boys in a few years.

I think they are all in Mexico [Hidden Content]

Nah.  You did the right thing.  If you don't feel good about it, don't pull the trigger.

Give em heck, Ozen!

Wow!  Bears get the onside kick!

Did the Pirates think that the game was over?

Not sure you guys are ready to talk trash to Brenham.        8)

Good move.  I think a real rivalry will develop with the Rangers.  Should put some people in the seats.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1119957" timestamp="1321457199"] [quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=91398.msg1119660#msg1119660 date=1321418041] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=91398.msg1119187#msg1119187 date=1321394787] [quote author=BH 89-2 link=topic=91398.msg1119186#msg1119186 date=1321394709] Richard's in Beaumont over on East side just off I-10.  Great soul food!!!! [/quote]Goodness gracious!  Yes they do! [/quote] Beef tips and rice, okra and tomatoes and a big ole wede of cornbread! Slap yo mama! [/quote]Baked chicken over rice or Ox tails over rice with Greens, Yams, and corn bread with a giant cup of sweet tea.  See what you've done, man? [/quote]  Can't hang with the ox tails.  That has a little too much "soul" for me.      ;D

[quote name="stevenash" post="1119954" timestamp="1321457138"] [quote author=westend1 link=topic=91656.msg1119949#msg1119949 date=1321456904] Kelly has a couple of seniors that should be playing.  What happened?  Did they quit basketball? [/quote] Maybe its because Kelly still in Football playoffs? [/quote]  That's what I was thinking, but seems he would have mentioned them when he talked about the freshman who would be joining after football.   

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1119957" timestamp="1321457199"] [quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=91398.msg1119660#msg1119660 date=1321418041] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=91398.msg1119187#msg1119187 date=1321394787] [quote author=BH 89-2 link=topic=91398.msg1119186#msg1119186 date=1321394709] Richard's in Beaumont over on East side just off I-10.  Great soul food!!!! [/quote]Goodness gracious!  Yes they do! [/quote] Beef tips and rice, okra and tomatoes and a big ole wede of cornbread! Slap yo mama! [/quote]Baked chicken over rice or Ox tails over rice with Greens, Yams, and corn bread with a giant cup of sweet tea.  See what you've done, man? [/quote]  Get one of the big bowls of chicken and sausage gumbo.  never know what might be in there but it will be good!

Kelly has a couple of seniors that should be playing.  What happened?  Did they quit basketball?

Bucks are starting to chase does out in Junction.  Arrowed a turkey this weekend.