[quote name="GoDogs27" post="1355475" timestamp="1355603546"] [quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=107488.msg1355119#msg1355119 date=1355531036] This world collectively, and this formerly great nation in particular, has TURNED ITS BACK ON GOD. Evil is now rampant, and immorality and violence reigns. God have mercy on us, especially the children. :'( [/quote] Hmmm.. Well God is the one that allowed this to happen right? I'll give your next answer..... He gives us free will.. To which I say, those children had no free will.. Not looking for a debate but I think it's a bit arrogant to think that we as a species pissed off a deity who wants to now punish us.. Believe whatever you want, but don't lie to people and shadow the truth. Which is that a mentally disturbed man with asperger's got a hold of guns and did something terrible. This country needs to start taking mental health a little more seriously. More funding, more research, stricter practice guidelines. And lastly it's about individuals. As Michael Berry says, "if you see something, say something." people around this individual should've seen some signs, especially the mother. I'll step down now, but let's not sit here and say that this has something to do with God. It has to do with mental health and gun access... My thoughts are with the victims families and I hope they find peace however they can. [/quote] This is true,but,I think it is very fair to say that over the past 20 years, we have seen a systemic devaluation of God from our society. Especially at school. We forget we are a country built on Christian principles, yet, in a lot of schools, you cannot even say "under God" when you recite the pledge. I do not think this tragedy is God getting revenge, but, rather, the values of where we stand as individuals are declining. We don't care that our youth are growing up playing Black Ops, but, how dare we allow them to pray in school. I think this is a major reason why you are seeing things like this happen. Stuff like this did not happen 20-30+ years ago. But back then, we could actually say a prayer before a football game without it being some sort of discrimination against atheists, or Muslims, or Buddhists.