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[quote name="LAZEEK" post="911483" timestamp="1290018741"] BigRed360..........I am over the past issues!!!  And if you read I was VERY PLEASED with what I saw on the floor Friday night.  I also understand that it was against LYON COLLEGE who is terrible.  I am looking long term and against the competition that they will face in conference and realize that we cannot score in the half court offense very effectively and dont rebound well.  Lyon was smaller than us and we only won the rebounding contest on shear athletic ability.  That wont happen against Nichols, Sam, NW State, SFA, etc. Again, loved what I saw......just being realistic for conference and against better teams that we play in non-conference!!!! [/quote] Do yourself a favor and don't try to debate/reason with BigRed.  He is the master of spin and loves to hear himself talk/type.  You will never convince him that he was wrong about anything.

[quote name="bigred360" post="912005" timestamp="1290081804"] [quote author=AggiesWeAreNot link=topic=76054.msg911967#msg911967 date=1290058302] [quote author=bigred360 link=topic=76054.msg910675#msg910675 date=1289930328] AggiesWeAreNot, don't compare me and Raiders. I've been a Cardinal Club member. My ex-wife was on the Board of Directors for a few years. As for as IQ, if you are having a AMI and come in where I work you better hope my IQ is pretty good. Obviously, you and I have a difference of opinion abouth offensive football. I'm more of taking what the defense is giving. 8 men in the box throw the ball. 7 men in the box run the ball. Maybe you can say I'm more conservative. [b]As for a championships or league titles, for everyone you mention passing the ball. I have find one that runs the ball well. [/b] You mention SFA in one of your post. They have a two time All-SLC and POY QB in Moses. They are a Top 5 team in FCS and I bet you they will not win a national championship because they can't run the ball when they will need to. Once in the playoffs the defenses have guys who can cover. Do I wish they would win? Heck yes, because our loss to them would not look so bad. Now, back to the game with SD. I recall Prewitt and Ford making a great play on 3rd and 10 from our own endzone. Yes, he threw the ball about 20 yards on the play and I believe that was the last play of the 3rd quarter. The rest of the 98 yard drive was with the wind at our backs. I don't think Prewitt could have made the 53 yard pass to Kendrick Prejean on 3rd down against the wind to keep the drive alive. Then Prewitt hits Ford for a 14 yard pass play to win the game. Oh, I forgot to mention the drive SD took the lead was on about a 60 yard drive with 3 straight running plays with them scoring on a 37 yard run by Sims. Then Prewitt lead the Cards to victory on the next drive. Amazing! As for as the Coach Woodard show, what do you expect the man to say? [/quote] UGGH!!!!  (sound of me banging my head against the wal!!!!!!) Your arguments make no sense.  If I understand correctly, for my argument to be justified I am going to have to find a winning passing team that had a bad quarterback??!!!!!  The bottom line is, if your team has a better chance at success by passing the ball then they should pass it. [/quote] Looks like you have a reading problem. I clearly stated for every championship team you can mention I can find one that runs the ball well. No where in the post did it say anything about a BAD QUARTERBACK. Are now stating Prewitt is a bad QB? You're the one that isn't making sense. Agree with the point that you do mostly what your offense does well be that passing or running.  ::) ::) [/quote] NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  UGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!  Every time I mention a successful passing team you say some smart a comment like "well they had Tom Brady or Dan Marino" or "well, he was all conference for 2 years".  No chit Sherlock...if you are going to pass you better have a decent quarterback!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Your argument seems to be "well, yes they won by passing; that's because they had a really good quarterback."?  Forget it.  I give up.  YOu are right.  Passing teams are losers.  Run the ball eery down like SDSU.  Talking to you is like talking to my 5 year old.

[quote name="hipster" post="912086" timestamp="1290093210"] Ga St could loss a lot of players against Bama.  Hope all the money does not have to go to pay their medical bills.  Is it worth it or  not? [/quote] Absolutely!!!  Take the money and run!

[quote name="hipster" post="909558" timestamp="1289833505"] AAWN for head cheerleader.  Maybe even give you a shot at OC.  Where did you play again Vidor?? [/quote] No. I have all my teeth and can read.  Do you dsagree with my posts?

[quote name="hipster" post="909682" timestamp="1289839605"] Chill out Nick we are the people you need to please.  It only makes sense that LU would want to televise games it should win! [/quote] It only makes sense to televise road games and possibly home games that are sellouts.

[quote name="bigred360" post="910675" timestamp="1289930328"] AggiesWeAreNot, don't compare me and Raiders. I've been a Cardinal Club member. My ex-wife was on the Board of Directors for a few years. As for as IQ, if you are having a AMI and come in where I work you better hope my IQ is pretty good. Obviously, you and I have a difference of opinion abouth offensive football. I'm more of taking what the defense is giving. 8 men in the box throw the ball. 7 men in the box run the ball. Maybe you can say I'm more conservative. As for a championships or league titles, for everyone you mention passing the ball. I have find one that runs the ball well. You mention SFA in one of your post. They have a two time All-SLC and POY QB in Moses. They are a Top 5 team in FCS and I bet you they will not win a national championship because they can't run the ball when they will need to. Once in the playoffs the defenses have guys who can cover. Do I wish they would win? Heck yes, because our loss to them would not look so bad. Now, back to the game with SD. I recall Prewitt and Ford making a great play on 3rd and 10 from our own endzone. Yes, he threw the ball about 20 yards on the play and I believe that was the last play of the 3rd quarter. The rest of the 98 yard drive was with the wind at our backs. I don't think Prewitt could have made the 53 yard pass to Kendrick Prejean on 3rd down against the wind to keep the drive alive. Then Prewitt hits Ford for a 14 yard pass play to win the game. Oh, I forgot to mention the drive SD took the lead was on about a 60 yard drive with 3 straight running plays with them scoring on a 37 yard run by Sims. Then Prewitt lead the Cards to victory on the next drive. Amazing! As for as the Coach Woodard show, what do you expect the man to say? [/quote] UGGH!!!!  (sound of me banging my head against the wal!!!!!!) Your arguments make no sense.  If I understand correctly, for my argument to be justified I am going to have to find a winning passing team that had a bad quarterback??!!!!!  The bottom line is, if your team has a better chance at success by passing the ball then they should pass it.

[quote name="KFDM KERRY COOPER" post="911579" timestamp="1290026216"] [Hidden Content] [/quote] Duh

[quote name="puddin tane" post="910398" timestamp="1289884113"] I am willing to buy Raider boy a ticket to the game.....come watch [color=red]BIG RED[/color] in person...enjoy the atmosphere.....may help your dreary outlook on life... [/quote] Please don't

[quote name="JJWooten" post="910704" timestamp="1289931550"] [quote author=bigred360 link=topic=76152.msg910629#msg910629 date=1289928023] Great post LumberCard as I heard Coach Woodard address a person asking about recruiting. He said, Lineman, lineman and more lineman; then the best athletes available. We are small for a FCS level school on the OL and DL. I heard one of the DL for Lamar was outweighed by over 100 lbs by a SD O-Lineman. [/quote] The game is always won in the trenches. If you can't establish that area then a few things happen: You can't run the ball, you won't have a dynamic passing attack, sacks will happen too many times, and fumbles will happen because the defense is getting to the ball right on the snap On the defensive side, you'll give up huge rushing yards to opponents and big pass plays because they have time to throw [/quote] Odd.  I could have sworn we just beat south dakota and their giant offensive line.  Allo these posts about how outmanned we are after a win.

[quote name="puddin tane" post="910103" timestamp="1289867039"] OPSU is pumped--6-4, first winning season in 6 yrs that said LU 24-0 [/quote] In honor of bigred and raider - Lamar REFUSES to pass the ball and rushes for 79 yards and no td's. OPSU - 10 LU - 0

[quote name="bigred360" post="909759" timestamp="1289843129"] Man, there are a ton of post about this game and most make a lot of sense (not since) haha. A couple of guys really know how to push the buttoms of other people. Here is my take on the game. Lamar played with a lot of heart during this game and never gave up once behind. If you noticed Lamar played better offensively when the wind was at their backs; like in the 4th quarter. Our third string QB played great as he was something like 24-29 passing. The WR's made some great plays. Raiders, I don't care about them (SD) losing their starting QB when we lost Kevin Smith to injury early in the season and Andre Bevil couldn't get the job done. So we are starting a freshman QB who is 5-11, 170 and he lead the team to a victory. Now, there were a couple of plays that were questionable calls. One the first TD and the second the possible safety. Raiders, there are plays like that in every game. Heck, even at the pro level and FBS level they have people in the booth to review the plays and the calls made. It isn't like this game was the only one to have a couple. Still not impressed with the special teams nor the running game of Lamar. It was funny to read some of the opinions of teams that didn't run much having won titles. So, I guess we are comparing LU with NE and Tom Brady, Miami and Dan Marino, the Colts and Peyton Manning? Even the SLC was funny because they had a few 1,000 yard rushers in their program. One went on and played baseball at Rice and the other was Tre Newton who is now at UT. I don't know if it is the OC, the OL or the RB's but Lamar will not be successful next season with that schedule and playing in the SLC and not having a running game or a rushing TD. Defense played hard but gave up way too many yards to SD rushing the ball. I know they were a lot bigger than us as their OL average about 300 per man. All said, I am happy we beat SD and hope to improve versus Oklahoma Panhandle State. [/quote] HAHAHAHA...I just went and checked the SLC site.  The team (LU is NOT included) with the WORST rushing offense by far is...wait for it.....wait for it.....STEPHEN F. AUSTIN!!!  Suck on that!!!  hahahahaha

[quote name="bigred360" post="909759" timestamp="1289843129"] Man, there are a ton of post about this game and most make a lot of sense (not since) haha. A couple of guys really know how to push the buttoms of other people. Here is my take on the game. Lamar played with a lot of heart during this game and never gave up once behind. If you noticed Lamar played better offensively when the wind was at their backs; like in the 4th quarter. Our third string QB played great as he was something like 24-29 passing. The WR's made some great plays. Raiders, I don't care about them (SD) losing their starting QB when we lost Kevin Smith to injury early in the season and Andre Bevil couldn't get the job done. So we are starting a freshman QB who is 5-11, 170 and he lead the team to a victory. Now, there were a couple of plays that were questionable calls. One the first TD and the second the possible safety. Raiders, there are plays like that in every game. Heck, even at the pro level and FBS level they have people in the booth to review the plays and the calls made. It isn't like this game was the only one to have a couple. Still not impressed with the special teams nor the running game of Lamar. It was funny to read some of the opinions of teams that didn't run much having won titles. So, I guess we are comparing LU with NE and Tom Brady, Miami and Dan Marino, the Colts and Peyton Manning? Even the SLC was funny because they had a few 1,000 yard rushers in their program. One went on and played baseball at Rice and the other was Tre Newton who is now at UT. I don't know if it is the OC, the OL or the RB's but Lamar will not be successful next season with that schedule and playing in the SLC and not having a running game or a rushing TD. Defense played hard but gave up way too many yards to SD rushing the ball. I know they were a lot bigger than us as their OL average about 300 per man. All said, I am happy we beat SD and hope to improve versus Oklahoma Panhandle State. [/quote] Your iq is right up there with raider.  You think I mention those teams because I'm trying to compare anyone to Brady or Marino or whomever?  NO!!!  The comment was made that you cannot win championships without a running game.  That is just wrong.  If you'd like, I will go find some FCS schools that have won championships with qb's that weren't named Brady or Marino.  there have been a lot of schools win a lot of games with passing the ball as their focus. You say that we played better with the wind at our backs.  The first drive where Prewitt was 7-8 was into the wind.  The big third down pass play towards the end of the third quarter was thrown INTO the wind.  Woodard admitted on the coaches show that they were intentionally conservative in the 3rd quarter because of the wind so you are partially right.  But, it was because of coaching.  Prewitt wasn't having any problems throwing into the wind the times he was allowed to do so. If you watched the coaches show last night someone asked about not scoring any touchdowns running the ball and if Woodard was upset that we didn't score any rushing touchdowns when we got down close.  Basically he said that they tried but what he really wanted to make sure and do is to score a touchdown.  So, I took it as 'who cares as long as we score'?! Oh, and you say the defense gave up too many yards rushing.  I agree with that but you should also remember that our sorry play calling caused them to be on the field way too much.  Also, we continually gave them great field position with our subpar special teams play AND about 80 of their yards were on 2 rushing plays late in the 4th quarter.  Given the situations they were continually put in I thought they played EXTREMELY well except for that one drive in the 4th quarter.

[quote name="bigred360" post="909872" timestamp="1289851526"] He's teams have not produced very good numbers on the ground and that goes back to his days at SHSU. Ask one of their fan's that frequent the forum. I don't care if yards per sack are entered into the total number per rush attempts because it is the same for all DI schools. Less than 30 yards rushing and another game without a rushing TD says there is something missing be it the OC schemes, the OL, the RB's or all the above. We have to fix this problem in the offseason or next year will be a long one as SHSU is better, then there is SFA, McNeese, Texas State for a year and the rest of the SLC. We have to manage the game using our run game which keeps the clock moving and the defense off the field. Passing the ball, the clock stops with every incompletion or the player runs out of bounds or he makes a first down and the clock stops til the chains are moved. [/quote] You can use a short passing game in lieu of a running game.  And, in college, the clock only stops temporarily on out of bounds plays if I recall correctly.  I think this was a fairly recent rules change to speed the game up a bit.

[quote name="geezer" post="910319" timestamp="1289877097"] They might need an OC, might steal ours----------Hope [/quote] They are two peas in a pod.  Dumb and dumber.  Beavis and Butthead.

[quote name="ForeverADog" post="909270" timestamp="1289787250"] I don't mind if they don't show up much as long as they keep buying the tickets! Attendance was announced as over 15k. I'll take that every game. After a win I expect a better crowd to show next week with better weather. [/quote] I can understand that ticket sales are what really matter but that crowd sucked!  Yes it was a little bit cold but isn't it supposed to be for football?  The season is almost over and we had that many empty seats??  Obviously a bunch of the season ticket holders are definite fair weather fans....pathetic.  I will be disappointed if we don't sell out next week.  Also, [size=14pt]DO NOT PUT THE DAMN HOME GAMES ON TV!!!  THAT IS FRIGGIN STUPID!!![/size]  You MIGHT be able to convince me to show it on tv in the event of a sellout but given how many people didn't show up last night I'd argue that we shouldn't do that. As for what we need...I vote for a new offensive coordinator!!!  And, defensive ends that will play their  responsibility (don't bite on bootlegs).  I thought our receivers were great last night.  And I love how JJ Hayes runs after the catch.  That young man runs with an attitude!!  Oh, and I noticed him throwing some nice blocks for other receivers and the running backs.  He plays hard.  For that matter, I thought all the kids played hard.  I bet we were outweighed by at least 250 lbs on the line and our kids kept battling all night!  And I was impressed with Prewitt's composure and his attitude.  Not once did you see him bitching out his linemen or receivers.  Nor did you see him limping around and whining/whimpering on the sidelines.  that kid must have some serious toughness about him.  I mean think about it...a walk on wide receiver and he's moved his way up to the starting QB??!! Anyway, we need support.  We need attendance.  We need the seats full!!!

[quote name="NorthoftheBorder" post="909062" timestamp="1289776702"] [quote author=JJWooten link=topic=76038.msg907121#msg907121 date=1289676720] Woodard must want to put together the Golden Triangle All-Star team. [/quote] I'm talking all sports.  Football signing is not till February so the list was for boys & girls baskeball, baseball, volleyball etc. [/quote] I just counted, we have 42 Houston/Houston area kids on all of our athletic rosters combined.  And I didn't include Crosby as Houston area.  that would bump it up closer to 50.

[quote name="NorthoftheBorder" post="909060" timestamp="1289776633"] [quote author=AggiesWeAreNot link=topic=76038.msg907075#msg907075 date=1289674783] [quote author=NorthoftheBorder link=topic=76038.msg906949#msg906949 date=1289669184] Just saw a list of all Houston area kids (boys & girls) from all sports who have signed in the November signing period so far.  Lamar has not signed one kid from Houston for any sport so far.  Saw lots of other SLC schools with Houston area signings.  Would think that LU would work the Houston area hard.  Don't get it why they aren't? [/quote] Screw houston.  Although I seriously doubt that we don’t recruit houston. [/quote] The reality check is that Houston is more than 10 times the size of the Golden Triangle.  Its a numbers game.  They are just going to have more talent in all sports.  Because it is out of town by 1 1/2 hrs it is like going off to school but yet close enough for parents to follow their kids.  It should be the second priority in recruiting behind the GT for every sport. [/quote] The other reality check is we aren't the only school in the state.  And, we do recruit houston.  Look at our current football roster.

[quote name="talkcougar" post="908606" timestamp="1289748373"] [quote author=AggiesWeAreNot link=topic=76038.msg907075#msg907075 date=1289674783] [quote author=NorthoftheBorder link=topic=76038.msg906949#msg906949 date=1289669184] Just saw a list of all Houston area kids (boys & girls) from all sports who have signed in the November signing period so far.  Lamar has not signed one kid from Houston for any sport so far.  Saw lots of other SLC schools with Houston area signings.  Would think that LU would work the Houston area hard.  Don't get it why they aren't? [/quote] Screw houston.  Although I seriously doubt that we don’t recruit houston. [/quote] Uhhhh ok .... USD write up: Junior running back Chris Ganious (Houston, Texas) notched 91 rushing yards on 23 attempts [/quote] So, what's your point?

[quote name="puddin tane" post="909203" timestamp="1289782053"] [Hidden Content] when we played em, i was wondering about this.....in this kumbaya, group hug world, how were they geting by with "The Fighting Sioux" watch out, PNG [/quote] Idiotic.

[quote name="Raiders99LHS80" post="908411" timestamp="1289712608"] [quote author=AJ25 link=topic=76054.msg908391#msg908391 date=1289712108] Who won this game? Oh, LU. Doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile.. A [b]W[/b] is a [b]W[/b]. No one will look back at this season if the Cards go .500 and go "Yeah man, they were .500, but they had a couple calls go there was against SD." WHO CARES. They won, quit coming on here and talking down because they didn't lose like you thought they would. [/quote]that's where you're missing the point of a forum. this is where people who "know" what's up come to talk about the good, and the not so good. without all the bs. but if you want to be the guy who opens up the paper the next morning and say, "well dang, lamar won" and just have an imagination of what really happened, then that's fine, but don't get on a forum thread talking about, "oh, a W is a W" that's weak. and you bring nothing to this discussion at all. so stay off the thread if you can't even accept the facts for what they really are. no one is talking about support??? HELLO? [/quote] The problem is your hatred of Lamar distorts your point of view so much you DON'T know what you are talkiing about.  Go back and look at your idiotic posts!  Lamar made a ton of great plays.  This game was exciting as hell.  Ok, the second and third quarters were a little slow but damn, you can't find a better fourth quarter ANYWHERE!!!  That was fun as hell!!!

[quote name="NorthoftheBorder" post="909068" timestamp="1289776946"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=76054.msg908115#msg908115 date=1289704784] [quote author=coachacola link=topic=76054.msg908080#msg908080 date=1289704333] And the streak is still intact...no rushing TDs for Lamar! [/quote] Who cares if they win the game!!!!!! [/quote] . Actually I do because the truth is you will not win championships if you can't run the ball.  I do not know of one example in Pro, College or HS who did not run the ball effectively and win a championship.  Nice win and much needed, but they have got to establish a running game.  Maybe they will make it a priority next week against arguably the weakest opponent of the season.  But it is a very concerning statistic that speaks volumes about where this team is.  And so you don't misunderstand me, I'm talking about championships in the future.  The offensive philosophy will have to include a running game and they are going to have to get O-linemen who can move people and open up holes. [/quote] Isn't our O-line full of freshmen?  18 yr olds playing vs 20-22 yr olds.  I think they've done very well with pass protection.  They'll get bigger and better and be fine.

[quote name="NorthoftheBorder" post="909068" timestamp="1289776946"] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=76054.msg908115#msg908115 date=1289704784] [quote author=coachacola link=topic=76054.msg908080#msg908080 date=1289704333] And the streak is still intact...no rushing TDs for Lamar! [/quote] Who cares if they win the game!!!!!! [/quote] . Actually I do because the truth is you will not win championships if you can't run the ball.  I do not know of one example in Pro, College or HS who did not run the ball effectively and win a championship.  Nice win and much needed, but they have got to establish a running game.  Maybe they will make it a priority next week against arguably the weakest opponent of the season.  But it is a very concerning statistic that speaks volumes about where this team is.  And so you don't misunderstand me, I'm talking about championships in the future.  The offensive philosophy will have to include a running game and they are going to have to get O-linemen who can move people and open up holes. [/quote] Inidanapolis colts, New England Patriots, Southlake Carrol, Stephenville, UH & Hawaii (have won conference championships with virtually no running), SFA, Warren Moon Houston Oilers teams won passing only (no super bowl but they still were extremely successful).  Dolphins and Redskins with the Smurfs.  Granted most teams that win Super Bowls and National Championships can run too but I'll be happy winning a conference championship first.

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="908166" timestamp="1289705541"] [quote author=AJ25 link=topic=76054.msg908156#msg908156 date=1289705406] Prewitt played outstanding apparently. 24/29 for 286 yds.. Averaged 10 yds/catch.. 3 TD. LU found their quarterback. [/quote] For the rest of this year......... ;) ;) ;) [/quote] And the next 3 years.

[quote name="JJWooten" post="908108" timestamp="1289704695"] Helluva come back after a sloppy first half. [/quote] After a slow second and third quarter.  LU wasn't really sloppy except on two plays.  One where our running back went the wrong way on a 3rd and short option call.  And again on an option where Prewitt made a bad pitch.