Yes, I am sure PAM had more college level talent on the field that night. They lost. Many, many upsets occur across the country every week, at all levels of the game. I guess I am missing the point your trying to make. There is without question Crosby has better personnel, at least from a next level talent perspective, than Vidor. That can be proven my the # of players going to the next level for Crosby compared to the # of players going to the next level for Vidor. Not a knock on Vidor. They had a tremendous season, and with three quality runners, I was not that surprised. But it is not a "perceived notion" and it is not "debatable", both PAM and Crosby have players going to play at D1 colleges.