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Wait, so we lost an effective coach because of over-celebration? That sounds like something that should be more of a, “Hey, don’t do that anymore,” situation. Unless there’s more to it than is public.

Dang. That’s a loss for PnG

Is this confirmed?

So, this wasn’t “retirement.” It was “resignation.” I wonder if he’ll put his name in the hat for coaching jobs elsewhere?

Now, the question becomes, what process will NISD follow to select the new coach? Will they follow PNG’s and try to get a handpicked young guy with pedigree? Will they simply open it up statewide see who shows up? Or will they go in-house again?

Congratulations to him on a long and effective career, all at the same school. He was a part of the most consistent era of success against PNG, as well as several good playoff runs. Good luck to Coach Barrow in whatever he does after.

I’m not sure what you mean by “perception is reality.” Are you trying to be profound, or simply be rude in some way? It doesn’t land as hard as you seem to think it does.

The question still hinges on what the coaches knew. Because if the coaches had access to the full information and still agreed to the contest, under the rules you shared above, the coaches have agreed to and therefore waived the restrictions. I have a hard time thinking the coaches didn’t get the refs’ bios.

Does a ref have a duty to recuse himself? I haven’t seen the rules of personal conduct, if any exist, for refs. Or, is his job to present himself for work and it’s up to the coaches to properly review the material in front of them? If Coach Todd had done his homework, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. It’s Coach Todd’s job to strike refs, not the refs’ job to strike themselves. Todd had the same information available to him as any other coach. There’s been no allegation that the refs’ identity was concealed from one or both coaches. Coach Todd just didn’t do his job. In fact, based on his own description of the events, HE is the one who wanted the Houston chapter.

Todd didn’t use those words. In fact, he comes off quite reasonable in that interview, for the most part. The word “rigged” is in the title of the video. It’s not my reputation at stake, but if I was the Houston ref chapter, I’d consider hitting that YouTuber with a defamation suit.

Well, a few of us would.

SETX would travel with them

If North Shore would have us, I would love for PNG to play them. It would be a great way to see size and speed far superior to what we’ll face in the playoffs. But, I’m going to surprise myself and echo Coach Izzy - I don’t know that North Shore benefits that much from playing us, in terms of playoff prep. We have our own significant size on the line, and we’re going to be well-coached, so we can help them get ready for the regular season, but I don’t think we’d help them get ready for Duncanville. But, let’s pretend it can happen and schedule: PAM North Shore Summer Creek

Half the people questioning the culture of Nederland are from Nederland. Most of the PNG posts are in support of Nederland. It’s the weirdest thing - We want our rival to be better. That kind of makes us Nederland fans - And, as fans, we want to figure out what’s missing. Something is definitely missing. I don’t know exactly what it is, but I’d rather blame culture than blame the kids.

This thread was started by a Nederland guy

Missing Jeff Joseph. And Samples has 2 now.

That’s out of more than 1,500 high schools in Texas.

After watching Coach Todd in this, he mostly has a reasonable take. He seems to be more focused on whether there were procedural errors that need to be corrected, not on challenging the results of the game. He basically says, “It’s not the reason we lost, but it’s not a good look for the game.” Mostly, we all agree with that (leaving out the fact that he should have been the one to police which refs are playing in the game). He doesn’t allege any wrongdoing by PNG, he simply ascribes the situation to the fact that ref crews really, really want to coach in the state championship. Again, I think he should take more responsibility for not doing his own, or sufficient, diligence on the ref crew. Of course, he says he disagreed with the call but it’s his job to disagree with the call. I don’t expect him to like it. I wish he would get it right that the ref from SETX isn’t the one who made “the” call. And he even admits that the kid who had the call against him had been warned at least two times by the ref. Overall, a pretty reasonable discussion, even I don’t totally agree with all of his perspectives. He may be cocky but he’s not dumb, and I don’t think he’s behaving maliciously against PNG or being a bad sport. There might be someone else at DISD stirring up a storm just for the optics or out of bitterness or something, but Coach Todd comes off looking pretty fair here.

This!

This matches my feelings. Even as a png fan, I don’t like the idea of a guy so connected being on the crew. Did it affect the outcome? No. But it should have been avoided. That being said - All of the things the “disqualify” him can be waived by the coaches’ agreement, and beginning the game with that ref crew constitutes agreement. That means, once they start the game they lose the opportunity to have an opinion on the choice of ref. So, it could be that the coaches asked them to do the game, information was provided, none of the coaches said anything, and at that point they assumed the members they put forward had been approved. It’s not the ref’s job to do their research for them when the information has been provided equally to both sides. Still, I think it would have been better for him to have been left off.

Who says he has kids that go to PNG? Not arguing - I don’t have any personal knowledge, but I heard he had no kids at PNG.

This won’t go anywhere. Even if the complaint wasn’t ludicrous, what is the result they think will happen? Overturn every other moment in the game and give the championship to SOC? I would very much like to see every email and other written communication exchanged between the teams, and between the teams and the ref crew, as well as all of the information that was made available to both sides. SOC is claiming a “lack of transparency,” but I think this is going to more a case of, “you tricked me by me not reading what I was supposed to read.” I AM curious how a guy with “Port Neches” in his bio ended up on the crew. It seems like something he should have recused himself from. On the other hand, if both sides agree, what harm has been done? None of this changes the fact that everyone has to deal with bad, even heart-breaking calls. All of us remember games, even in the playoffs, where a ref didn’t call a penalty - or did call a penalty - that we disagreed with. There were several such instances against PNG in this playoffs. If PNG had lost, SOC wouldn’t be complaining about the non-call on PI in the end zone (by the same guy who did the PI that later got called) that stopped a PNG touchdown. They are teaching their kids and community a horrible lesson.

Man, Nick Gardiner was so good.

For PNG: PAM FBM West Orange Stark

I wasn’t aware of that at all. Terrible.