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Silsbee and more than likely West Orange are beating Nederland. 

I’ll be very sad to see him go. Few people dedicate themselves so well to something for so long, and make it their own. You can tell he loves the local athletes, and he is easily the biggest name in sports journalism in SETX. It will be weird not having him doing the coverage. Best of luck to Ashly! 

9 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

Understood, except you have no way to make your allegation other than simply sharing your opinion. LH coaches have been getting it done for many years (which is why they are currently ranked higher than PNG). No one is "out coaching" LH. I am assuming that you believe PNG was "outcoached" by SOC and PAM? 

Looking forward to PNG replicating their results from last year as LH has been doing for two decades. 

Png WAS outcoached by SOC and PAM

1 hour ago, 89Falcon said:

OK, here we go again. LH is the "first team that would not do better with their best two players". Because defenses "do not play teams differently who do not have their best two offensive players".

If you dont think LH minus their two best weapons, had anything to "where to run", you are not engaging in serious discussion. 

I didn’t say they wouldn’t have been better. It makes a difference to lose your two best running backs. I’m saying that runningback play wouldn’t have won them that game. It’s not like they had Bijan Robinson on the sidelines. 

On 6/26/2023 at 3:47 PM, 89Falcon said:

No is disputing that PNG could stop LH without LH two best players in one game last year. PNG nowhere to be found in any year prior. Maybe they can replicate it again this year and take a shot at LH at full strength (like when LH curb stomped superior teams that previously curb stomped PNG). 

Png won by beating the LH offensive and defensive lines. It wouldn’t have mattered if those two starters had been healthy. They wouldn’t have had anywhere to run. 

No way Melissa should be higher than SOC

4 hours ago, AledoAlumni said:

I know a front 7 just west of Cowtown that would disagree lol. But it’s always nice to be included in those conversations. 

I could qualify it to be “in 5a d2” - I’m more confident in that anyway. 

6 hours ago, Razor said:

You did not have similar talent to png last year...the fact that they had a good chance to win that game at the end, could it possibly have anythng to do with coaching?  If you are going to look at things, look at them in their entirety.

I don’t think it’s controversial at this point in time to say that PNG was the better team against Nederland last year - more talent, better-coached, more bought-in to the system, you name it. Yet, when we actually had to play (even taking into account the weather conditions), Nederland took us to the brink. You have to credit the coaching and the kids. Even with whatever the supposed problems are at Nederland right now, the coaches should get some credit for how Nederland stood up in a down season against the best version of PNG they’ve seen in a long time. On the other hand, the interception that allowed us to get the game winner was an inexcusably bad throw and a bad play call. That’s coaching too. So, yeah, Nederland had problems last year. But they had bright spots too. They’ll be better this year. 

2 hours ago, 1989NDN said:

PN-G has been blessed to have a good run of talented kids with size. The OLs and DLs over the past couple of years and continuing in 2023 have had kids with size and mobility. Mix-in some really good kids at QB, RB, WR, lots of high energy kids on defense that were great at tackling, and add-in the great coaching and conditioning and you will win a lot of games.  I have no idea what they are feeding kids in Port Neches or Groves, but the Indians have had the size to control the LOS. It's good times at PN-G.  Enjoy it and be thankful.  The good times and bad times can be cyclical in HS football. I agree with some of the other PN-G fans.  Anxious to see how our Indians will replace #2, 3, 6, 10, 11, 16, 18, 44, 45, 48, 64, 65, 68, 72...lots of really good kids on the 2022 team. In the playoffs, I'm not sure any team had better LBs that PN-G (3, 6, and 16)...tackling like their hair was on fire. Go Indians.

I think we had the best d-line and linebackers (as a unit) in the state. Nick Gardner had an incredible performance in the state game, and throughout the playoffs. 

On 6/12/2023 at 11:30 AM, AledoAlumni said:

How does the excitement and/or expectations compare to last year at this time? 

I’m excited. It’s sort of a “prove it” year in some ways. Was last year just a combination of great players, good coaching, and luck, or is there a proven, winning system being installed at PNG? I think we have an excellent coach, and it seems to me that the conditioning and mentality is better than it’s been in at least 30 years. 

On 6/22/2016 at 5:31 AM, Hagar said:

Only have one.

Vidor vs Nederland 

Sorry, the devil made me do it.

You’re going to hell 

46 minutes ago, spidersal said:

I do not know if any girls teams made the playoffs, however none of the major boys programs made it. When Neumann was there the athletes were hungry for success, now I am not so sure

I do know from watching football the past 2 seasons, there is not a lot of talent and the coaching at every position is lacking.

This past season was probably the most disappointing season in football that I have seen in Nederland in 20 to 30 years.

IMO, as I watched them, they looked like an HISD program. They were soundly beaten in just about every game and honestly appeared to have no desire to win. The prime example for me to say this is the way they got beat by the annual doormat SF

They balled out against png. Rain helped them, but they brought it all game. 

1 hour ago, navydawg31 said:

A known Crosby fan on Twitter said administration ran another one off… 

What does that mean? Not enough money? Dumb policies? 

On 4/11/2023 at 9:25 AM, RidinTheRange said:

Oh, I'm sorry.  I didn't know you had spoken to every single LH fan.  Thanks for clearing it up.

 

It is also true that fans know the result of the game before they're played.

Hate to have to be the one that explains to you how “opinions” work, but here goes: I saw postings from *some* Liberty Hill fans who stated emphatically that PNG would have won the game even with the two starters missing. Those fans might be wrong. They might be right. The world keeps spinning. Sorry you’re butthurt about it, either way. 

8 hours ago, RidinTheRange said:

This is true, but both starting running backs in the slot t tore their ACLs the week prior to playing PNG.  That made a significant impact on limiting their offensive production.

According to Liberty Hill fans, it would have been the same outcome. 

What are PNG’s realistic prospects next year? I don’t mean the assumptions that we’ll recreate last year just because we have Coach Joseph. With who we have coming back are we looking like a deep playoff run again? 

8 minutes ago, Past Pirate said:

If DuBois runs the offense like he did when he was OC, it will be somewhat of improvement. Week to week the scheme was different with him as OC. The last several years we seem stuck on one page of the playbook. 

Vidor’s playbook has pages? 

What if we modified 7-Year Rule? In 7 years, you only learn about a coach’s ability to make THAT school good. It’s possible that same coach goes to a different school and wins state. It’s also possible an elite, winning coach at one program goes to a different school and doesn’t do as well (example: Westerberg from Allen to BH. BH got better under him, but didn’t ever get past the 3rd round). But, when a school board evaluates a coach’s performance, they only have to care what the coach is doing at THAT school. So, in 7 years you’ll have a full picture of what the likely ceiling of that coach is at that school, and if the ceiling isn’t high enough after 7 years it’s appropriate to think about trying something different. 

I agree with Reagan’s 7-year principle, but I would modify it. Actually winning a state championship is often out of the hands of even the greatest coaches. Under Reagan’s approach, taken to the extreme, if a coach made it to state 7 years in a row but lost all of them, that coach should be fired. No one in the state would want that coach fired. So apply the 7 year rule more broadly : If a coach doesn’t get you to at least the 4th round within 7 years, you can reasonably assume his ceiling doesn’t go that high. In other words, you can know in 7 years if a coach has the ability to get that team in the range of a state championship. If you can get in that range, anything can happen, but it’s not always in the coach’s control. 

You don’t get the success west orange had (/will continue to have if they right the ship) on talent alone. You just can’t reliably have enough talent in such a small sample size for so long and across so many generations to build an entire program on genetics. Coaching and system have so much more to do with it than just “let’s hope we get a good crop this year.” 

2 minutes ago, BigEnosBurdette said:

Why does it matter to you?

I’m a part of nefarious conspiracy to get Vidor to have a good football team. 

55 minutes ago, vhs said:

So how soon should we expect to see him leading BC to state?  Sounds like he’s the one

Why is it harder to believe that Vidor has capable kids than it is to believe that the coaching could be better ? 

4 hours ago, BigEnosBurdette said:

Your thinking is…. If Surratt came to Vidor, he’d have Vidor hoisting the state championship in 7 yrs? Same can be said for let’s say BC, OF, and a few other area schools…. Is that what you are saying?

If that is was you’re saying…. Please let my buy a little of what you are smoking! 

If Surratt came to Vidor, Vidor would immediately do things it has never done in its history. Nearly all of Vidor’s problems can be solved with coaching. Instead, everyone blames the kids. As if there’s some big genetic difference between Vidor and PNG and Nederland (and when Vidor was in our district, except for the last few years they had the same size school as PNG). Before Hurricane Harvey, Vidor was sitting right at around 1400 kids. All respect to Coach Matthews, but I think Vidor runs their gimmick offense because Coach Matthews doesn’t know how to teach the skills necessary to run anything else. Vidor kids can run whatever their coach can or will teach them to run. Vidor players could blow everyone’s minds if their leadership believed they could. 

47 minutes ago, Reagan said:

I'm a little disappointed in that all we can come up with so far is that in the past 47 years Groves is the answer for why there is a difference in the two football cities!   Would like to hear other opinions!

I agree. Groves and Port Neches don’t exactly have a genetic wall erected between them. 

3 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

You must have saw different Vidor kids on the field than me. I think there is a significant difference in the speed and size of the PNG kids vs the Vidor kids. I agree they could learn to throw and catch, but are they going to out run people in open space or be able to block in the interior one on one being outsized?

yes