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Are coaches allowed to challenge calls during the state championship games? I mean, make a challenge during the game that requires a review, like in the pros. 

1 hour ago, Reagan said:

I was told by a friend on here that Nederland's coaching directed weight training program was basically non-existent.  This is part of the future of a potential elite coach.  It appears PNG has it right. Some laugh when I say there's no difference in the athletes at Ned and PNG. Then they say, well, how can you say there's no difference, look at them.  I said there is no difference in the athletes that "are available" to each team.  Now, how each coach develops what's available to them is the difference in what you see now between PNG and Nederland.  

100%. 

38 minutes ago, navydawg31 said:

Faircloth ran a great tremendous program at PNG! Won many many games for them, and his last year there he went to what round 4? Faircloth had a great winning culture, solid foundation was laid for Coach Joseph and company to come right in and get to work. It’s crazy to me the transition PNG had tho went from an offensive team we going to outscore you to a defensive team and limit positions. I mean look at that FBM Marshall game 7-0 win they had. But look how it has played out, offense will win you some games, but Defense wins championships!! 

I’m still a huge Faircloth fan. He certainly put a lot of fun teams together. And we were a better-than-average team most of the time, and we had a few great teams under him. Not to mention sending several qbs to play college ball. 

1 hour ago, dadofabulldog said:

Coaching is the clear difference. Look at WOS a few years ago vs now.  No culture change, just a different coaching staff. PNG under this coaching staff goes to state with at least one of R Johnson teams.  Joesph takes over a Faircloth team and goes to state the next season. I’d go as far as saying that this current PNG staff would have took one or two of the 2014, 2015 Nederland teams to state. 

Definitely the 2012 team 

12 minutes ago, glassjoe said:

And another coach 

 

What coaches and to where, or does anyone actually know? 

1 hour ago, PN-G bamatex said:

We keep having this debate over talent versus coaching. I personally think the right coaching is the most important factor in the success of any program, but I also think we shouldn't ignore the interplay between the two. As I stated in another thread, the best coaches find a way to get the most out of their kids, whether they've got a ton of talent or none. To be clear, I'm not just referring to motivation, or discipline, or execution, or community support and program culture, or adapting a system and a playbook around the personnel. I'm also referring to player development.

A strong strength and conditioning regimen is an important part of any successful football program. Some programs are much better at developing their talent than others. If we're being honest, that's Nick Saban's secret sauce. When Saban brought in Scott Cochran to revolutionize the Alabama weight room shortly after Saban arrived in Tuscaloosa, Alabama became a championship contender in two seasons. Kirby Smart lured Cochran to Georgia to do the same thing plus coach special teams, and then Georgia won back-to-back national championships in Cochran's second and third seasons in Athens. Many Alabama fans, myself included, felt Cochran's absence in Tuscaloosa was the missing factor during the last few seasons when we seemed to lose some of our intensity. Coach Joseph will be the first person to tell you PN-G's success under his tenure started in the Indians' weight room during spring training.

My point is, good coaching will develop talent to realize its full athletic potential. Granted, that relies upon some stock level of talent at the start of the process. Without that development, however, the potential is never reached, and that is almost entirely a factor of coaching.

The physical difference in PnG’s players after one off-season under Joseph was obvious. We went from being skinny high school kids to developed athletes. The progress only continued into year two. I don’t know if Faircloth just didn’t have a lot of faith in the weight room, or thought we were already doing enough, but it’s clear now there was another level to get the boys to. 

33 minutes ago, FrodoNDN said:

Based on how everything played out I believe Region 3 is a gauntlet. Better defenses it seems. Will probabl be that way again next year

We might have Liberty Hill in our region too

1 hour ago, purpleeagle said:

If winnie would win state championship, we or I would claim them as our area team. 

We already claim them, win or lose. But it would be weird if Winnie won and Houston tried to claim them. Like, “What part of this rice field says ‘Houston’ to you?” 

15 minutes ago, Reagan said:

We were talking about the PNG coach possibly moving on after the State win.  And someone asked what did Ethridge do?  That was answered.  But what wasn't stated, and I'm playing on memory, is that during Ethridge's run, they were in the big dog classification.  I think 4A was all it went to at that time.  Couldn't get any bigger than PNG vs Odessa Permian.  Now, I do recall that during this time Ethridge could have got the Lamar job.  Obviously he turned it down.  Not sure if any other college offers came his way.  So, obviously there is a bit of a difference between then and now.  Joseph has the "opportunity" to move up that Ethridge did not have.  But like I've said, Buchanan and Surratt stayed put.  And as I was reminded, Hooks and Thompson also.  So, hopefully for the Indian faithful he stays awhile!  

Hopefully, for Nederland too. I think the longer PNG has Joseph the greater the likelihood Nederland gets their ducks in a row and finds  a coach to match him. 

16 minutes ago, Matthew328 said:

The referee crew last year was a Fort Worth crew...SOC uses Dallas

Contrary to popular belief Fort Worth is its own thing

I said “Dallas area.” Fort Worth is definitely part of the “Dallas area.” 

13 minutes ago, PhatMack19 said:

 

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This is incredible. They had every opportunity to look at who was on the ref crew, and approved that crew anyway. How can there have been a lack of transparency when the ref bios were public information?
 

Also, that ref only even threw one flag the whole game, and that wasn’t the call they’re complaining about. That ref has no children attending PNG, which is the only violation possible. Wasn’t the ref crew from the Dallas area last year?
 

Not to mention, this sends the worst possible message to the students : That there’s no such thing as graceful defeat, that every disappointment must be appealed, that every failure is a robbery instead of just a failure.  

The future looks bright at PNG, but I tell you we’re going to feel the loss of Nyugen and Shea Adams - Few RBs in PNG history have had the vision, timing, and balance of Nyugen. And there might may not have ever been a do-it-all player as clutch across so many games as Adams in PNG history. These two took us to two state championships and one trophy, and they did it by repeatedly showing up in huge moments when inches mattered. There’s a lot more we’ll miss - #28 (I forget his name, but he’s been huge on offense and defense) is one. 
 

Next man up. 2024 is going to be huge for PNG. But, we’ll definitely miss those guys. 

1 hour ago, purpleeagle said:

It is a suburb of Dallas and in the Dallas area. 

Not really a suburb , but definitely in the “area.” Aledo’s weird. Kind of like Sulphur Springs or the Tyler area. I’m betting if you’re in Aledo (I’ve never been) it doesn’t feel like you’re in the Dallas area, and it’s not super convenient to get to Dallas. Similar to living in Winnie - is Winnie a Houston suburb? I wouldn’t say it is. What is it - 1.5 hours from Aledo to Dallas, depending on traffic? Same as Golden triangle to Houston. I don’t know what region I’d put Aledo in, though. They’re closest to the DFW region. 

1 hour ago, navydawg31 said:

How could he get the Nederland RB he would have to sit out his senior season? That’s not happening. No one in there right mind would do that. 

I think he meant “like” the Nederland rb. But, while we’re talking about it, if Thomas just happened to visit PNG, I’m sure we’d be happy to find our way to a uniform fitting room , and if a ball just happens to fall into his hands and he starts scoring touchdowns I wouldn’t complain. 

1 minute ago, Matthew328 said:

There are a lot more open enrollment ISDs than you think that are out there as well....Dallas ISD is far from unique in that regard

I do believe TX should consider doing like Louisiana and creating classifications and seperating out open enrollment ISD's vs non-open enrollment ISD's 

I think Vidor is open enrollment , proving it’s not a magic button for being world beaters. 

3 minutes ago, Matthew328 said:

I mean you cant really do that because what if the other team wears white or has the same team colors as you? Refs dont need to be fashion police IMO

I’d be ok with it happening because of the incidental fact that two teams have similar or same colors. It’s more fishy when it’s obviously not your colors and the deliberate choice is based on what the other team is wearing. It’s purposeful interference with the referees. The only reason to do it is if you’re planning to hold AND to obstruct the refs’ view of the penalty. If that’s ok, why not also shine a light in the refs’ eyes so they can’t see? (An admittedly more extreme example, but both are in the same spirit of interference with the administration of the game). 

8 minutes ago, Matthew328 said:

I'm not the world's biggest fan of open enrollment myself, but we can thank the Texas legislature for that along with charter schools et al..it is what it is and the UIL does the best they can with the resources alloted. The kids that play for SOC are all eligible under UIL rules, the open enrollment/recruiting conversation to me is just as moot IMO as SOC people complaining about some close calls that didnt go their way

I’m not arguing they aren’t eligible. I’d just like to understand why we don’t recruit as openly as they do. Why can’t png just declare itself and open enrollment school and build a super team? 

7 minutes ago, Lamar1996 said:

I'm loving all of this.  We beat the defending champs from the last two seasons and they now are trying to find ways to satisfy themselves mentally to why they loss.  Couldn't have happened to a better team from the recruiting Mecca.  Just think of the team we could have if we were able to recruit.

I’m going to need someone to explain the recruiting to me. Why are they able to do it, but everyone else isn’t? And, it’s clear they can’t recruit on an unlimited basis, otherwise they would have had a better quarterback and some better secondary. But you don’t get the best stacked 2022 team in the country just from the coincidence of guys being born there. 

I like the defense having no name. Let the words “PNG defense” be scary enough. At the current rate, they will be. 

2 hours ago, Reagan said:

How about the “Chain Gang?”  I understand it’s not in use anymore!  😏

I’d take it 

1 hour ago, Reagan said:

Little Dodge has never won a State Championship.  Anyone can correct me if I’m wrong.

@Rez Ipsa

As far as I know he never has. I watched him lose to his dad a couple years ago. He might have won one as a coordinator somewhere else. 

3 minutes ago, Reagan said:

You are probably right.  But, IMHO, this Dodge will not win a State Title.  Joseph did in his second year.  Dodge is a good coach.  But does he have what it takes to win a Title?  Once they realize this will they then make a move?  Only time will tell.  
PS — they think he an do what his Dad did:  not gonna happen!  Again, my opinion!  

Why can’t he? He was only stopped by his own dad a few years ago. 

36 minutes ago, Reagan said:

I believe you are right.  Well, 99% right.  I think there is a caveat:  As I’ve stated before, if Westlake or South Lake Carrol wants him bad enough and makes offers worth his while I think that might sway him.  Other than that I think he’s staying.
Or if Nederland, well, never mind!  LOL!  Thoughts?!

If he tried to go to Nederland, PNG fans would form a human wall at the train tracks. He would need the CIA to smuggle him across the border. 

1 hour ago, Eazy said:

I guess there isn’t any rule on that.  I would think that gloves would normally have to be school colors or black, white, or gray.  But, whatever.  

I think there should be a rule on that. It’s evidencing an intention to interfere with the referee’s administration of the game. It’s saying, “We intend to cheat and we are taking action to obstruct the referees’ ability to observe and punish our cheating.” 

15 minutes ago, Davidp0403 said:

Did anyone else see SOC defenders all wear purple gloves so they can blend in with our jerseys so they could get away with holding. Especially #2 with the purple sleeves.  They had light blue gloves last week against Emerson. But we're being called cheaters and have an asterisk because the refs gave us the title

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