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All I've seen is what-if scenarios. Like: If Surratt went to Sabine Pass could he beat the KC Chiefs? Now, I have to admit it does give me tremendous comic relief. Anyway, you are right, it would probably be a 6A school. Interesting, though, why he hasn't yet. The schools in this area will not get an established Elite coach. Of course, at the time, neither did Aledo, Carthage or Celina! They just hit the jackpot.

Bingo!

You could have started a subject on it or PM about it. So, yes, the rule was broken!

I was giving you credit for possibly being on to something. I was connecting the dots whether you were going there are not.

Rules, you are 100% correct. But rules are also made to be changed if needed. Aggie, you and I are breaking this rule right now. I doubt very seriously anyone has been put out because a topic has swerved off course. So, yes, it needs to go away. As always, that's my opinion!

Good One!

Interesting!

True! It just go broke twice by Old School and Garrett. This rule probably should get deleted. As long as it’s civil with no insults and vulgarity, talking about something else within a topic should not matter. Point is, what difference does it make?

Only in football! Lol!

Thanks!

What rules are broken by going off topic?

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Bold: Yes, against who they are set to compete against. School are set every two years against like-kind opponents. But let me correct one thing. Not any coach. It takes a coach with special talent to go any where and win. I've said in a previous post that I scrolled through pages and pages of the Texas Football History web site and and never see a school with a State Title. Then you might see one and then nothing. It's hard for me to believe that there is not 1 year that these schools ever had championship-type kids. I also stated that there was a coach at a school for 42 years. And no Titles. Again -- no kids at least once there?! Now we are starting to make a little sense. Previously, I've been laughing too hard at the questions like: Can Sabine Pass beat the KC Chiefs? LOL!! Anyway, first of all, we are talking about Sabine Pass and Mart in their present day condition. This is the reason why you used these 2 examples. But, before Mart won their first Title, what did it look like there? How about at Aledo? How about at Carthage? May not be able to compare 100%. But there was obviously something wrong because there were no Titles before Buchanan, Surratt and Lindloff arrived. I haven't studied much of their past. But, I have studied Stephenville when Art Briles was there. Stephenville was pretty bad. From 1909 to when Briles showed up, Stephenville never won more than 9 games. And they did that only 3 times. Brownwood was the big dog in their district. Stephenville had not won a DC since 1952. And they had not beaten Brownwood since 1963. That's 25 years before Briles got there. Briles shows up and institutes his program and in 6 years won his 1st Title. Went on the win 3 more. His 12 year record is 136-29. And yes, they beat Brownwood. Point being, up until Briles showed up, concerning beating Brownwood, and possibly other things, I'm sure people were saying the same thing there as being said about Sabine Pass. You know, they can't do this and they can't do that. But what happened to these different schools? The right coach came along. So, now back to Surratt and Sabine pass. My answer is absolutely he could. 7 years is a long time. That's enough time to institute his program. In 7 years Mart might not be the same and not have an Elite coach. But here's another caveat: What if they meet up and both teams have Elite coaches. Then what? Oh, and BTW, thanks for bringing up Mart. 5 coaches have won Titles there. And all 5 first Titles were won within my 7 year time frame!

AUSTIN REAGAN/NORTHEAST “Raiders” YEAR W-L-T PTS-OPP COACH 1965 5-4-0 174- 66 Travis Raven 1966 6-3-1 200-104 Travis Raven 1967 C-- 14-0-0 435- 95 Travis Raven 1968 C-- 15-0-0 394- 51 Travis Raven 1969 8-2-0 283- 51 Travis Raven 1970 C-- 14-1-0 496-116 Travis Raven Wow, look what else I found. Another Title within 7 years. What is amazing is how far you can scroll down through those pages and not find a team that has a Title. Every now and then you find one. But, you can go to the teams with Elite coaches and you see Titles galore. Amazing isn't it?!

ABILENE “Eagles” 1919 3-1-2 111- 27 Prince E. (Pete) Shotwell 1920 C 9-1-0 322- 77 Prince E. (Pete) Shotwell 1921 C-- 10-1-0 425- 85 Prince E. (Pete) Shotwell 1922 C 8-1-0 269- 19 Prince E. (Pete) Shotwell 1923 C-- 12-0-0 573- 7 Prince E. (Pete) Shotwell 1924 7-2-0 212- 29 Lee Jones 1925 6-2-1 143- 28 Lee Jones 1926 7-2-0 241- 19 Lee Jones 1927 C-- 11-1-0 492- 49 Dewey Mahyew 1928 C-- 12-0-1 410- 71 Dewey Mayhew 1929 8-2-0 169- 77 Dewey Mayhew 1930 7-2-2 208- 70 Dewey Mayhew 1931 C-- 11-0-1 300- 32 Dewey Mayhew 1953 7-2-1 300- 78 Charles (Chuck) Moser1954 C-- 12-1-0 420- 84 Charles (Chuck) Moser 1955 C-- 13-0-0 501- 90 Charles (Chuck) Moser 1956 C-- 14-0-0 496- 94 Charles (Chuck) Moser Came across another school that coaches won Titles wintin 7 years.

From the Texas History website: "Gordon Wood, G.A. Moore, Jr. and Tim Buchanan each copped state football trophies in four separate decades." If it's not about coaching then how did these coaches always get the championship-type kids for 4 decades?! Were they that lucky and everybody else was that unlucky?!

I just stopped laughing! I can you are still trying to perfect your silliness. I may need to start calling you the "Silly Perfecter!" First of all, my 7 year program is for teams to win State within their classifications. Therefore I never said anything like what you stated. No one has ever asked, say, Sabine Pass to compete with, say, Katy to win a Title. Not going to happen. So, if Surratt goes to Sabine Pass then yes, I can see him winning a Title in 7 years. Carthage never won a Title until he got there. Look, there are some here who blame the kids and there are some here that blame the coach. You talk about playoff runs, why is it that Carthage can and those in the same district can't. Sounds like coaching to me. It's always interested me why schools can never win a Title. But then a certain type of coach comes in and starts winning Titles. I not a firm believer in "the kids just started showing up when this coach did!" I just don't think the Vidor coach, if he was there, could have done the same thing as Dodge did at Southlake Carroll and Westlake. Then again, I think one poster actually said Dodge wasn't that good. He just had the right kids. But, it's all speculation anyway and my opinion!!

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Just came across another coach who won Titles within 7 years. I'd say 90% of the time a Championship-type coach will achieve this! TEDDY GRAY 12 years; 97-34-4; 6-6-21969 Refugio 6-4-01970 Refugio 14-0-1*1971 Refugio 10-2-0*1972 Freer 10-2-0*1973 Calallen 3-6-11974 Calallen 6-4-01975 Calallen 8-1-11976 Dickinson 10-1-0*1977 Dickinson 13-1-0*1978 Dickinson 5-5-01979 Refugio 9-1-1* —retired—1983 Bastrop 3-7-0