Englebert

What do you think the Republicans should do with Obamacare. I realize it is hard to choose without knowing what a replacement plan would entail, or what modifications would be made to Obamacare. Choose based on the current public information (which is not much), and feel free to comment on what you would like to see as replacement items or modification items.

And that is what the fight is about...what to include in the new Government run monstrosity. And yes, it is not a mystery. You keep implying that the Republicans are having trouble repealing Obamacare. Again, it is no mystery...many have decided the repeal should coincide with the replace. The repeal is settled, the replace is being debated.

A standalone repeal bill would probably pass, just as it did earlier. For some mysterious reason, a few (and way too many) think that Obamacare should be replaced. But there is absolutely no disagreement on whether Obamacare should be repealed. I don't think it is possible to get this many Republicans in full agreement on any issue as they are on repeal.

Because now a replacement bill is attached. None of the GOP is fighting on whether Obamacare should be repealed...they are all in agreement on that. The disagreements are purely with the replacement bill.

Yeah, she ignores 99% of my questions.

The Republicans just followed the Biden rule. I forget, what letter does Biden have behind his name? Next they will follow the Reid rule. I forget on him too, what letter does Reid have behind his name? It seems the Democrats can change the rules at will but are the only ones with permission to follow them.

Or is it because the Administration has publically stated on multiple occasions that Saudi Arabia is not on the list because of their of cooperation with the U.S. on vetting and screening fliers. So whose sources can't be trusted now?

No wonder you voted for Hillary. Corruption is encouraged as long as it is against angry old white men?

What fantasyland comic book have you been reading?

When you say "properly vetted", what do you mean? What are the current vetting procedures, and are they proper? If Europeans started committing terroristic acts against Americans, or even threatening to, I would have no problem with banning those. Do you really think those who support the travel ban, including me, are in support of banning Muslims because we don't like Muslims? Or could it be we are just trying to protect ourselves using common sense? Please enlightened us as to how you think we feel. If white men (or black, or any other color...or religion) started committing terroristic acts in Middle Eastern countries, I would have no problem with those countries banning travel. In fact, I would be baffled as to why they wouldn't.

I could write volumes on the subject. The volume of examples has rendered this as common knowledge, sort of like 1 + 1 = 2. Just ask PamFam. He has already commented on the fact that this board is full of threads pointing out Liberal bad behavior. Just take some time to read some of the posts on here and maybe an epiphany will strike. But I have a feeling you will turn to your mental gymnastics tactic of convincing yourself that all of the examples of Liberal bad behavior is just lies or misinterpretations. You will then focus on the one or two examples of non-Liberal bad behavior and draw the equivalency line.

Name the lie. Is it fun making accusations you can't backup? After all, you seem to be outraged that Trump made an accusation with no proof, so you should be livid at yourself for emulating him.

No I do not. Do you feel this is a necessary question considering I've already stated on multiple occasions on multiple threads that I'm not in favor of Trumpcare or Obamacare Lite? Even though it is better than Obamacare, Trumpcare/RyanCare/Obamacare Lite is still government run socialized medicine that we all should be against.

Who doesn't? Are you making the statement because you think someone believes you might want dirty and dirty water, and you feel the need to clarify your stance? Are you making this statement because you think everyone else wants dirty air and dirty water and you want to differentiate yourself from those? And who are these doctors that would allow a kid to die because he is not on Medicaid? Have you reported them to anyone?

I agree with this post, but your post I responded to says something totally different.

The difference between the parties is when you get caught lying. You will be ousted from the Republican party, you will be promoted in the Liberal party. And the sheer volume of lies emanating from the Liberals is breath-taking, so much so that equivalency comparisons is just laughable. And the false accusations by the Liberals that Trump and the rest of the non-Liberals "lie on a daily basis" just shows how low one can go to defend their own wretched conduct.

Why do you think it is the government's job to improve your life? You should personally work on improving your life without government assistance and/or interference. The government's job is to protect individuals from other individuals/groups, not provide you a pampered lifestyle. And why do you feel the need to say you care about elderly folks and the working poor? Are you suggesting you are somehow in the minority or unique in this line of thinking? Can you name anyone that doesn't mind helping these groups? And why do feel the need to add the third statement? Do you feel unique in that line of thinking also, or do you have some stereotypical and fallacy driven mindset that anyone who wants to stop waste, fraud, and abuse in government programs believes we should leave those on government assistance out in the streets to die? I agree with your views on politicians, but for very different reasons. I believe most politicians are out to help the people, but frankly are not bright enough or don't put much thought into the real role of government. They will help people in order to garner votes, and wouldn't dare eliminate or even reduce a government program that has the slightest illusion of helping people, no matter how fraught with corruption that program might be. They don't give a second thought to the consequences of their actions. They steal from the haves to give to the havenots without ever thinking of what consequences these actions have on the working people. And I have no idea what you are trying to convey in that last sentence.

Nobody is losing anything. Anyone and everyone can go buy their own health insurance. Saying someone is being prevented from (losing) buying health insurance is ludicrous and a indicator of a dominant sheeple gene. And if you think it is a few bucks then you are living in a typical Liberal fantasy world. The deductibles have gone up so much that health insurance for most people has been rendered as catastrophic only. My insurance premiums and deductibles have went up over 200% since Obamacare, to the point of being useless. And I could not keep my old plan....but thank God I have birth control, maternity and pediatrics, substance abuse and mental health covered in my new plan. By your definition of "losing", I along with millions upon millions of others have essentially lost our healthcare, although we are still paying the premiums. And for what?

What are the current vetting procedures? I've tried to find this information, but have come up empty. Can you answer this question? And by all means, look it up.

Denying people from getting insurance because of a pre-existing condition can be remedied by an executive order, or simply by a slim majority of Congressmen writing a bill. No need to destroy our healthcare system for something that can accomplished in a simple manner. And you are oh so wrong about my family. But what's insulting is that you think I would condone destroying the greatest healthcare system in the world because I have a loved one who can't get coverage. I'm not that selfish. Only a scumbag would advocate for millions to suffer so that one might not.

There's where you go off the deep end. It's not that too many people like the benefits, it's that the politicians don't have the balls to stand up to the bad publicity the Liberal media will surely spin. I'm puzzled that you think there are "benefits" to Obamacare, unless you consider people paying for other people's healthcare as a benefit. Most people have realized, through thought or wallet, that their payments have skyrocketed to support those that can't or won't support themselves...which is socialized medicine. Many have realized that they are paying more and receiving less to support those that can't or won't. Some realize that socialized medicine will kill the greatest healthcare system this world has ever seen.

I agree 100%. Just repeal it already, then fight over the replacement (which I think should never materialize).

And the middle class wasn't burdened with 20 trillion dollars in debt. Let's spell that out for you: $20,000,000,000,000,000.00 in debt. That is a whole bunch of wasted zeroes. And we are paying $264,000,000,000,000.00 in yearly interest payments. Just think of what you could do with 264 billion dollars, which is just thrown away. And who do you think is saddled with paying this money back, the poor? Now I will grant you that some of this debt was accumulated under Bush, but Obama injected steroids into the insane and reckless spending.

Liar in Chief would be the former President. The current president is the one that has to deal with petty attacks, false attacks, fake news and fake outrage. They are not hard to distinguish, but you still seem to always get them confused. About the article...a quote from westend1 would be fitting: Ha!

Who do you think starts all of the ridiculing in their opening remarks? I'll give you a hint, it isn't the ones on the conservative side on here. Since this became standard practice for the Left, some, especially me, have adopted the same tactic and start the garbage from the outset. If you would like us to refrain from this and have rational discussions, I'm all for it. But you will have to convince the ones on the Left to comply also. And this will be a practically impossible task since that seems to be their only way of "debating". And your last sentence is just laughable. Do you actually think Trump is not getting the same treatment as Obama? Have you ever even heard of the Obama surveillance of journalists before today? Have you ever even heard of Dennis Kucinich being wiretapped before today? The Liberal press ignored it because it was the Obama administration. Now that Trump is in office, the kid gloves have come off and everything is fair game, even his family. So we have zero need to rethink who's been brainwashed.