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HJ over WOS would be the biggest upset of the past three decades. WO-S hasn't lost to a school with a smaller enrollment in the regular season since 1986

Jasper would more than likely win 20-4A in my opinion as would WO-S. I think overall the district will be down this season. WO-S has either beaten the local 4A district champions or been the local 4A district champions 10 out of the past 11 years (with a 1 pt loss preventing it being 11 straight) so it would be pretty cool if Nederland does go on to win the district to keep the streak going! ;D 2007 Dayton 14, WO-S 22 2006 Dayton 9, WO-S 26 2005 Beaumont Central 12, WO-S 28 2004 Nederland 30, WO-S 32 2003 PN-G 20, WO-S 21 2002 Ozen 7, WO-S 6 2001 Pt Arthur Lincoln 8, WO-S 24 2000 WO-S (5-0-0 20-4A District Champs) 1999 PN-G 14, WO-S 21 1998 WO-S (7-0-0 20-4A District Champs) 1997 WO-S (7-0-0 20-4A District Champs)

Maybe not recently, but in the earlier years ('96 and '99 were the most recent) Vidor was notorious for coming out of nowhere and upsetting WO-S. Only 2 teams have beaten WO-S 7 times in their 31 year history... TJ ...and Vidor Opponents Against Whom WO-S Has the Worst Showing Most games won vs. WO-S (only 14 have won more than once) 1. 7 - Port Arthur Jefferson (7-9-1) 2. 7 - Vidor (7-15-0) 3. 6 - Port Neches-Groves (6-17-0) 4. 6 - Nederland (6-23-0) 5. 5 - Beaumont West Brook (5-5-0) 6. 5 - Jasper (5-17-0) 7. 4 - Beaumont French (4-5-0) 8. 4 - Bay City (4-8-0) 9(t). 3 - La Marque (3-1-0) 9(t). 3 - Houston C.E. King (3-1-0) 11. 3 - Beaumont Central (3-9-0) 12. 2 - Beaumont Ozen (2-2-0) 13. 2 - Silsbee (2-13-0) 14. 2 - Little Cypress-Mauriceville (2-22-0)

Top 15 Defenses in 3A 1. 20.13 West Orange-Stark 2. 19.55 Graham 3. 19.53 Celina 4. 19.24 Abilene Wylie 5. 18.37 Giddings 6. 18.07 Liberty Hill 7. 17.47 Brownwood 8. 17.27 Burkburnett 9. 17.18 Waco La Vega 10. 16.75 Vernon 11. 16.19 China Spring 12. 16.04 Robinson 13. 14.24 Sweetwater 14. 13.33 Crockett 15. 13.30 Liberty-Eylau

Not sure... I don't think Massey has ever done a preseason rating before... usually he doesn't start ranking teams until 3-4 weeks in to the season

Click here ---> Massey Ratings 5A 1. Euless Trinity 2. Southlake Carroll 3. Katy 4. Spring Westfield 5. Allen 6. Plano 7. Leander 8. Cedar Hill 9. Arlington Bowie 10. Odessa Permian 4A 1. Longview 2. Highland Park 3. Waco High 4. Lamar Consolidated 5. Wichita Falls Rider 6. Waxahachie 7. La Marque 8. Lake Travis 9. Stephenville 10. Dayton 3A 1. Liberty Hill 2. Celina 3. Abilene Wylie 4. Waco La Vega 5. Brownwood 6. Giddings 7. West Orange-Stark 8. Gilmer 9. China Spring 10. Robinson 2A 1. Idalou 2. Cisco 3. Kirbyville 4. Childress 5. Littlefield 6. Early 7. Muleshoe 8. Salado 9. Coleman 10. Boyd 1A 1. Canadian 2. Stratford 3. Mart 4. Alto 5. Windthorst 6. Munday 7. Seymour 8. Bremond 9. Granger 10. Roscoe

Here's the link to the complete set of rankings from 1982-2005 West Brook was also ranked #15 at the end of their State Championship season in 1982 yet were only the 3rd highest ranked team from Texas that year. TJ was #12 despite losing in the first round of the playoffs. Click here --->USA Today Final High School Rankings

To date... NO 4A Texas team has ranked as highly as the 1987 Mustangs did in the Final USA Today Nationwide Rankings since it was first published starting in 1982.... no La Marque team, no Stephenville team, no Ennis team

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My mom told me about it.... here's the original clipping that I have... is this what they had in the paper? We were still 5A then I'm the only Junior amongst a group of Seniors in the pic I came out of nowhere and kicked butt in Number Sense that year

The entire 1987 Championship Game is now posted and accessible from the links above... 8)

No... I haven't heard of the tape.... The first part of the 4th Quarter is now up on YouTube... if you don't check out any other part of the game... check out this clip starting at the 8:54 time point as there is a short interview with a VERY young Todd Dodge commenting. He was the Quarterback Coach for Rockwall at the time.

Good luck against Navasota in their 1st playoff game this season.... ;D

It would only be fair to post the 17-0 non-district win in 1998 against the same team if I were to do that...

It IS a California based site... I didn't put it up there but another rather screwy ranking is that they have Southlake Carroll way down at #95

They've expanded the number of teams ranked. Here are all the local programs to make the top 200. There are quite a few actually... 1. 72.5 - Euless Trinity (5A) 2. 66.9 - Lake Travis (4A) 3. 60.1 - Wichita Falls Rider (4A) 4. 57.6 - Arlington Bowie (5A) 5. 56.2 - Liberty Hill (3A) 6. 54.8 - Allen (5A) 7. 54.5 - Plano (5A) 8. 53.7 - Round Rock Stony Point (5A) 9. 52.6 - Waco La Vega (3A) 10. 50.6 - Dallas Skyline (5A) 11. 49.0 - Dayton (4A) Click here --->Team Preview 12. 48.0 - Aldine Eisenhower (5A) 13. 48.0 - Everman (4A) 14. 47.3 - Canadian (2A) 15. 47.2 - Katy (5A) 16. 46.6 - Celina (3A) 17. 46.5 - Kerrville Tivy (4A) 18. 46.2 - Pflugerville (5A) 19. 45.5 - Navasota (3A) 20. 45.4 - Spring Westfield (5A) 21. 45.3 - Dallas St. Mark's (SWP I) 22. 45.2 - Cisco (2A) 23. 45.1 - Sulphur Springs (4A) 24. 44.7 - Converse Judson (5A) 25. 44.6 - China Spring (3A) #34 41.1 - Beaumont West Brook (5A) Click here --->Team Preview #36 40.8 - West Orange-Stark (3A) Click here --->Team Preview #42 39.3 - Galena Park North Shore (5A) Click here --->Team Preview #43 39.3 - Kirbyville (2A) Click here --->Team Preview #84 32.8 - Newton (2A) Click here --->Team Preview #127 - Beaumont Kelly #133 - Port Neches-Groves #149 - Livingston #155 - Nederland

Not quite... there were no State Championship games in the TCIL from 1990-1993 when Kelly won 2 of those titles. The "State Championship" those years was essentially the equivalent of a District Title as there were only 5 teams in TCIL 4A those years. The teams played a round-robin schedule against each other and the team with the best record in the 4A conference was declared "State Champs". Kelly won it in 1992 with a 4-0-0 conference record and were co-champs with Dallas Jesuit in 1993 (both with 3-1-0 conference records)

1. 72.5 - Euless Trinity (5A) 2. 66.9 - Lake Travis (4A) 3. 60.1 - Wichita Falls Rider (4A) 4. 57.6 - Arlington Bowie (5A) 5. 56.2 - Liberty Hill (3A) 6. 54.8 - Allen (5A) 7. 54.5 - Plano (5A) 8. 53.7 - Round Rock Stony Point (5A) 9. 52.6 - Waco La Vega (3A) 10. 50.6 - Dallas Skyline (5A) 11. 49.0 - Dayton (4A) Click here --->Team Preview 12. 48.0 - Aldine Eisenhower (5A) 13. 48.0 - Everman (4A) 14. 47.3 - Canadian (2A) 15. 47.2 - Katy (5A) 16. 46.6 - Celina (3A) 17. 46.5 - Kerrville Tivy (4A) 18. 46.2 - Pflugerville (5A) 19. 45.5 - Navasota (3A) 20. 45.4 - Spring Westfield (5A) 21. 45.3 - Dallas St. Mark's (SWP I) 22. 45.2 - Cisco (2A) 23. 45.1 - Sulphur Springs (4A) 24. 44.7 - Converse Judson (5A)

Click Here --->9th ranked preseason teams

Try the YouTube link above.... let me know if there's still a problem seeing it. You'll see a short clip with future Dallas Cowboy Kevin Smith in there...

I finally found my copy of the game that was televised... It's converted completely to DVD format and I'm in the process of converting it to a format that I can post... Here's the introduction! ---> Here's the first 10 minutes of the 1st Quarter on YouTube---> Here's the second 10 minutes of the 1st Quarter on YouTube---> Here's the third part of the 1st Quarter on YouTube---> Here's the first 10 minutes of the 2nd Quarter on YouTube---> Here's the second 10 minutes of the 2nd Quarter on YouTube---> Here's the third 10 minutes of the 2nd Quarter on YouTube---> Here's the Halftime on YouTube--> Here's the first 10 minutes of the 3rd Quarter on YouTube--> Here's the second 10 minutes of the 3rd Quarter on YouTube--> Here's the final part of the 3rd Quarter on YouTube--> Here's the first part of the 4th Quarter on YouTube--> Here's the second part of the 4th Quarter on YouTube--> Here's the final part of the 4th Quarter on YouTube-->

Are you sure it's 1937 you're talking about?? Cuz Port Arthur won that game over Amarillo 33-0, beating the 3-time defending state champs for the first time in 28 games. October 1937

All programs ever to qualify for the playoffs are ranked below by furthest playoff advancement. Ch= # of Championships Fn= # of LOSSES in Finals Sm= # of LOSSES in Semifinals Qu= # of LOSSES in Quarterfinals 16 = # of LOSSES in rounds of 16 32 = # of LOSSES in rounds of 32 64 = # of LOSSES in rounds of 64 The first 318 listed are every school ever to play in at least 1 State Final. Click here --->The 1146 All-Time UIL 11-man Playoff Qualifiers 1920-2007 (Note: Click the left side of your screen if your browser shrinks the image down where it's too small to read and it should zoom back out to normal size)

The answer would be: PN-G (#21 below) with 6 state finals appearances... although some purists would argue PN-G was just Port Neches up until 1956 followed by: TJ (#30) with 5 Newton (#38) and WO-S (#52) with 4 each Burkeville (#69) and Nederland (#89) with 3 each not on the list below: Bridge City, Barbers Hill, Hull-Daisetta and Corrigan-Camden with 2 each West Brook, French, Hebert, Jasper, Crosby, Coldspring, High Island and old Beaumont High with 1 each The table below can be found in the Historical Forum of this site under the "Statewide Football Records" thread... along with tons more information All-Time State Championship Game Appearances Years in BOLD indicate Championships This includes 6-man, 8-man and 11-man football Ch=Total # of Championships Ru=Total # of times as runnerup

This may open another whole can of worms but my parents had the choice of sending me to private or public school and there was no question that I would get the better education at WO-S back in the 1980's. I'm very proud to be an alumnus of the school and as the #1 graduate from the 1987 Class I feel I was more than prepared to enter the real world from the education I received there. In 1987 the superintendent may have been different but the vast majority of the administration was pretty much the same. Teachers were just as underpaid then as they are now. The football program was just as jealously regarded then by the academic departments (if not more so) than it is now. In my opinion the #1 reason WO-S has lost enrollment is plain old simple "white flight". As someone very astutely figured out several posts ago, the amount WO-S has lost in the past 20 years almost exactly equals the amount LC-M, OF and BC have gained over the same period. The City of Orange may have lost population but if you look at the actual US Census Population figures, Orange County has continuously INCREASED in population. The school had it's peak enrollment in its very first year (1977) and has steadily decreased in size ever since. With 4 school districts being so close geographically I imagine many of the old West Orange opponents to the merger gradually moved over to the BC and OF school districts while quite a bit of the remainder of the city (including all 3 of my siblings) moved up to Little Cypress. All sad, but true!