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Others to consider from West Brook would be Royal Thomas and Javier De Jesus at PN-G.....Ben and Chris Weber......these guys were a great one two punch When you had Ben(PN-G) vs Royal(WB)........these were some of the best match ups in the area, of any time period..... BC....Steve Martin (92).....his team road him threw the playoffs, all one gamers, losing in the state finals [he did not (could not)pitch].......

Preseason tourney's (not scrimmages)......would you not like the competition to be against teams you are preparing to play in district or better.........or do you set it up against teams you think you have a better chance of getting wins against?? Grant it the talent pool has been drained at West Brook from '05 to last year......yet that does not change who their district foes are or what the ultimate reason for putting on the uniform is for.......everyone wants to be where Jasper is right now..........being put in an area tourney would not be the right step for West Brook to take...Point blank!!.... It would be better to struggle against the competition level you are set to play at then play down and struggle......you would lose the reality of where you are trying to get........ West Brook is not trying to be the best in Southeast Texas........they are trying to be the best "5a" team in the state!!!!!!! so, what would be great for Southeast Texas would not be great for West Brook high school.....

Being born in Mid-County......I think it would go against 'Religion'....oh I mean tradition, to vote against the MCM game........but for the district it's going to be Central vs. Dayton.... IMO

What was Joe Washington and Jamaal Charles numbers.....total yrd's and td's in High School......does anyone have this??

2001 was the second worst year as far as w's and l's go, for WO-S.........only the '83 season of 3-7(22-5a) was worst....but hey you won one.......

Ozen beat WO-S in 2001.........that WO-S team went 5-5.....3-2 in district

Ozen was getting the best football athletes when it opened........and the word from Ozen was "hay,we just leave the door open"...........The creation of Ozen is reeping what it created (district of choice)and having only 3 playoff wins since it's opening could not keep them 'the football talent' coming.......

how about all except central and dayton from the district??

That would be a great event but......JMO........Brook would be playing down and not benefit from it......even if they lost every game....it would not be any help for preparing them for district.........A good Jasper, a good BC, and a good Silsbee are still not Kingwood......the only way any of these games could be seen as meaning anything is if they were all in a district race......or everyone threw their one or two when they played....... (back when area teams played in all or one area tournament) I might be wrong but I don't remember the '92 BC team winning an area tournament that year (I know they didn't win all three) PN-G won the Nederland tourney and Nederland won the WO-S tourney I don't remember who won the PN-G tourney(could have been BC) but I do know BC went to the State Finals that year....... no doubt they were the better team when it counted.......

Humble down...... Channelview still finding it's way...... Memorial will still be Memorial...... Sterling with Cervanka only.... Lee middle of the pack...... Atascocita and Kingwood will be the teams to beat............West Brook will be in the top four playoff race........(and i agree wg is talking out of the rear about the jv thing........) I wouldn't count them out no matter who they lost!!

not true!! what happened that day was unfortunate but he was not taken out because he was getting ripped.............and you are talking about a scrimmage..........if we are going to talk about scrimmage's (and who cares) I think West Brook had their pay back on the bears in 07'

WB vs LC-M was not a scheduled game except a scrimmage........are you talking about a scrimmage??

WB on the 3A level??........ I agree they have an up hill climb but on that climb they have a 2 year all dist 3rd baseman (prob goes to short)......All dist Catcher........3 pitchers who got work in all year at the varsity level (one all-dist as a sophomore).........2nd and 3rd with guys who saw time as utility players...........two outfielders who did the same..........first basemen all come back with experience............ Offense will be the question....no 10 run a game average but they will always be competitive not as good as last year by far.........but...... they have as good a chance as any in a very tough "5a" district my pick..........LC-M,

I'll go with Frank Middleton and throw in Earl Dotson as well.........

I never said or tried to answer your post directly...........My intent was to say parents or what we are calling "friendly parents" would find a way.........My opinion is that it can happen and probably will.......I understand you think it wont stand but I think no matter how outlandish.....it could possibly be heard in the court.....OJ walked anything can happen.......lol {todays world it's always someone else's fault} In this case the Pan Am games= High School and missing the Olympics = College Tuesday, May 17, 2005 Swimmer Wins Lawsuit Against Vitamin Maker for Positive Drug Test A jury in California has awarded nearly $600,000 to a competitive swimmer who claims that a contaminated multivitamin led to a positive drug test and a suspension from the sport. Kicker Vencill tested positive for the prohibited substance 19-norandrosterone in an out-of-competition drug test in January 2003. He immediately suspected the vitamins might be to blame and a private lab confirmed the suspicion. But the US Anti-Doping Agency, which cannot always distinguish how a drug entered the body, has a zero-tolerance policy: athletes are responsible for everything that enters their bodies. Thus, it handed down a 2-year suspension which caused Vencill to miss the 2003 Pan-American Games and a shot at the 2004 Olympics. Vencill's suit Ultimate Nutrition, the maker of the multivitamin, is believed to be the first of its kind, but will not be the last. Officials say that otherwise benign supplements can be contaminated in several ways. Supplement manufacturers, who operate largely unregulated, might unknowingly buy tainted ingredients from overseas. Or they might make a range of products, including powders or drinks that feature steroid precursors. If the vats aren't thoroughly cleaned, residue from the previous muscle powder can taint the next batch of vitamins down the line. (Wharton, "Verdict for swimmer could be a test case," LA Times, 05/13/05). Now, the supplement manufacturers may have the incentives needed to ensure that only the proper ingredients make it into its products. This is good, because it should protect the consumer from ingesting drugs he does not know he is taking. But, this has introduced a new lawsuit to the world, and you can expect every athlete with a positive test to now find some supplement manufacturer (or several) to sue. The expense could prove too burdensome for the companies, some of which make valuable drugs for medical (and not athletic) purposes. -- Posted by Greg @ 5/17/2005 08:33:00 AM -- Comments (4) -- Post a Comment [Hidden Content]

For those who think suit's will not happen (tvc)...just type in words like lawsuit and drug testing then add athletes. took 2 minutes to find this one.......they are already happening..............this particular girl was excused from her team for simply not signing the consent form......................now........is she college material.........was she good enough to continue......... Again I'm all for the testing.........I'd test my own like some others have stated............reading some of this does raise questions about......."false positives"............I guess as I am for it I'm just playing Devils Advocate......... US OR: Suit Challenges Student Athlete Drug Testing URL: [Hidden Content] Newshawk: Terry Liittschwager Votes: 2 Pubdate: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 Source: Register-Guard, The (OR) Copyright: 2000 The Register-Guard Contact: [email protected] Address: PO Box 10188, Eugene, OR 97440-2188 Website: [Hidden Content] Author: Randi Bjornstad, The Register-Guard SUIT CHALLENGES STUDENT ATHLETE DRUG TESTING The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit in Lane County Circuit Court on Tuesday, seeking to prevent the Oakridge School District from requiring student athletes to submit to mandatory drug testing in order to participate in school sports. The suit, filed on behalf of 15-year-old Ginelle Weber, a sophomore at Oakridge High School, claims the district's drug-testing procedures "violate Ginelle's right to be free from unreasonable government searches" guaranteed by the Oregon Constitution. Weber began playing on her school's volleyball team this fall but said school officials dismissed her from the team two weeks ago after she and her parents, Shannon and John Weber, refused to sign consent forms for her to participate in the drug-testing program. The Oakridge district signed up earlier this year to participate in a three-year, $3.6 million study called SATURN - Student-Athlete Testing Using Random Notification - in which researchers at the Oregon Health Sciences University in Portland select student athletes at random and without notice and require them to provide urine samples to check for illegal drug or alcohol use. Curtis Dornath, chairman of the Oakridge School Board, said he knows of no students other than Weber who have refused to sign the consent forms. "From everything I've heard, 79 of 80 athletes at our school are participating," Dornath said. "We have no intention of discontinuing the program because of this lawsuit - the board is unanimous, behind this 100 percent." The SATURN project, which began this fall in about a dozen Oregon school districts, will try to determine scientifically whether random drug testing acts as a deterrent to the use of illegal drugs. The ACLU filed a lawsuit earlier against the Lincoln County School District, which also joined the program, but that action became moot after OHSU dropped the district from the program, citing as reasons inadequate and inaccurate student response to the initial questionnaire. Since then, at least one other district has asked to take Lincoln County's place in the program. Dr. Linn Goldberg, lead researcher on the project, couldn't be reached for comment Tuesday but has said previously that he and his colleagues "are not drug-testing advocates" but simply want to find out whether the "billions of dollars ( that ) have been spent on mandatory drug testing in government, business, sports and education ... really result in decreased drug use." The ACLU believes that the Oregon Constitution protects citizens of the state from "unwarranted search and seizure" of the type represented by mandatory testing of student athletes, said David Fidanque, the organization's state executive director. "The Constitution says the government can't search citizens without probable cause," Fidanque said at a news conference. "But this drug-testing program treats everyone as guilty. This search is very intrusive and very demanding to undergo - it's government requiring an invasive search of young students who haven't done anything wrong." The ACLU suit isn't the first time the courts have been asked to determine the constitutionality of mandatory drug testing of student athletes. A student in the Vernonia School District northwest of Portland sued on similar grounds after that district began random testing of its athletes in 1989. The case ultimately went to the U.S. Supreme Court, which ruled in 1995 that "deterring drug use by our nation's schoolchildren" justified the drug-testing program. Testing student athletes for drug use did not violate the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution because "school athletes have a reduced expectation of privacy" simply because they choose "to go out for the team," the high court said. "They voluntarily subject themselves to a degree of regulation even higher than that imposed on students generally." Fidanque said his lawsuit differs from the Vernonia case because it will be brought in state court and will test the strength of Oregon - not federal - constitutional protections. "We think the law in Oregon is very clear: Government can't do random searches on the basis that everyone is guilty," he said. "The specific wording ( in the Oregon Constitution ) is very similar to the federal Constitution, but it has been interpreted by Oregon courts to allow greater protection of citizens." Becoming the focal point of such a lawsuit doesn't come without its price, a nearly tearful Ginelle Weber acknowledged Tuesday. "I've been affected quite a bit already," she said. "I've played ( sports ) at school for years, and I feel that I could be an asset to my team. Now, I don't know what to do with myself anymore. I go home and do my homework while all my friends are playing sports." Nonetheless, she would make the same decision again, Weber said. "Sports are a big part of my life, but they're only sports," she said. "I feel it's important to stand up for what you think is right." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAP posted-by: Doc-Hawk

Coop has a post about a law suit against a little league coach (posted on the little league thread).......a parent has a sute on the coach and the league because the son broke his leg sliding into second base.............reason..........parent said the son was not properly trained on how to slide into second base.........why would they not find a reason to sue for this..........and yes i think it's ridicules

643 "a local college coach said"............how did you miss......are we to guess who your talking about?? and since neither one of us know the other who asked?? ohhhhh.......I forget you have to post what........ and who you know on every post also.............now i remember............here is my pat on your back.................you are the greatest!!! Congrats BR and i'll move on

hahaha .......that's your response??.........hahaha...........wow.....im going to go cry now........sm..sm..... :

Does mud fly out of your mouth every time you post...............your like that lady on Saturday Night Live that makes everyone depressed...........lol........... Congrats on all our local players skilled enough to be given this high honer.......may you reach past the next few steps!!

Suggs + the drop to 4a was a help........Central never met expectations in 5a...........JMO.........

I never said a law suit like this would stick........I'm just sure there will be some idiot parents that go that route for their "star-roid son"............In today's world it's someone else's fault not their own.........lol I'm for testing ALL athletes also........random.....shmandom...........get the water boy.......UIL's here again.......LOL

"I agree with the theory but part of the man's job is to help his players beyond the HS baseball field. Compare and contrast his efforts to what Coach Griff does over at LCM. " from MIF04 Just to clarify...........no coaching contract for High School states you have to help players beyond the HS baseball field ( the best player agent a high school athlete has is his parents.....you know that probably from experience MIF)...........I think that's a coaches personal choice.......(my personal choice would be to help...not helping would be a bad choice in my opinion)........Coach Griff and Coach Anderson(WO-S) are probably the best (Anderson would still help a kid if he felt he could)...........I think wins and scholarships go hand in hand.....if your kids are going to College for baseball you probably have a successful program.........But you can caravan an eighteen wheeler full of kids a summer all across camps in Texas........but if your not winning your probably not going to be around long..........

Jasper take it................

some will never get it........it takes more than just a lineup card............I'm not from BC but talent or not he win's..........until that changes.......I don't understand why he gets all of this from people that should be supporting him (in his own town)..................guess you have to live there...........not sure i would want to?? It would be nice if coaches had a list of employment of each one of their players parents.......then after a night of taking it in the ear from a parent or after sitting through listening of how little jonny is the best player ever but cant hit a fair ball in BP........you could take that list look up their place of employment make a surprise visit ( with your lawn chair of course).....sit and critique every decision that they make throughout a 4 hour period............. ;D what a dream....................lol