Honest Abe

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1110116" timestamp="1320877056"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91016.msg1110108#msg1110108 date=1320876567] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1110104#msg1110104 date=1320876268] Has to put in more time to be considered with the top dogs. But he has done very well. [/quote] Okay Dove, then who are the top dogs in your opinion? [/quote]Active, inactive, etc? [b]I don't know much about the high school coaches in this area [/b] but I think there should be specific parameters such as longevity being one. I would certainly list the HJ coach, Kountze, PAM, hmmm? [/quote] Yet you voice your opinion about 'the top dogs' ???

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1110116" timestamp="1320877056"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91016.msg1110108#msg1110108 date=1320876567] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1110104#msg1110104 date=1320876268] Has to put in more time to be considered with the top dogs. But he has done very well. [/quote] Okay Dove, then who are the top dogs in your opinion? [/quote]Active, inactive, etc I don't know much about the high school coaches in this area but I think there should be specific parameters such as longevity being one. I would certainly list the HJ coach, Kountze, PAM, hmmm? [/quote] Active coaches of course! HJ-ok. KOUNTZE-Ok. PAM-Why? What has he accomplished? Boutte Is not be coach there. Who else?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1110104" timestamp="1320876268"] Has to put in more time to be considered with the top dogs. But he has done very well. [/quote] Okay Dove, then who are the top dogs in your opinion?

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1109807" timestamp="1320814882"] [quote author=robanadana link=topic=91016.msg1109796#msg1109796 date=1320814281] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91016.msg1109687#msg1109687 date=1320808816] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=91016.msg1109562#msg1109562 date=1320804119] Also Nederland has tons of fans on here the last few years [/quote] Well, we've actually had something to talk about ever since English took over the program five/six years ago. It all turned around about 9 years ago when he and a few others started a little dribblers program in Nederland. As long as he is our head coach, we will continue to be competitive, and that will keep us active on this board. As I've said before, I don't expect Nederland to win district this season (as I expected them to win last year), but it will not surprise me if they win district again. With their 7th, 8th, 9th, JV, and Varsity teams all winning district last year, I expect Nederland will be very competitive for years to come... [/quote] HonestAbe, can't agree with you more about Brian English. I believe my Pirates would still be a force if he would have stayed. I still get sick at my stomach.....as long as he's in Nederland, you will be a power in basketball. [b]Best coach in the area and a great man[/b]. We miss him terribly. I honestly believe he could coach at the next level; perhaps Lamar should give him a chance given the clowns they've been through in the last couple of decades. [/quote] Great man??  Yes!!!  Best coach in the area???  No, but he is VERY good!!!!  And not far behind the best coaches in the area.  Got to get some hardware before you can be the best!!!! [/quote] Ok, Lazeek, then who are the best coaches in the area? Is that really how you judge who the best coaches are? Are John Stockton, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, and Charles Barkley not some of the best NBA players to have ever played the game? None of these players ever won a championship. Based on hardware, HJ coach has a state title and who else? Here are a few arguments which Coach English has accomplished which make him one of the best coaches in the area: 5 time coach of the year in district 20-4A (2 at Vidor, 3 at Nederland) 2 District Championships at Nederland (Last district championship was in 1955) 2 trips to the playoffs at Vidor-something that has never happened in Vidor history (vidor never even had a winning season above .500 until he arrived) and has not happened since he left. 3 Playoff trips at Nederland ( last was 1992, and before that was in 1955) 1 Regional appearance in 4A last season What other coaches around here have turned 2 programs completely around like he has in the past 10 years? I know, I know, HJ has way more playoff appearances and a few state championships. HJ has a strong history of excellence in Basketball. The statement made by Robanadana was that he is one of the best coaches in the area. If he's not, then who are the best-in your opinion? Who has the hardware that meets your requirements?

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1109562" timestamp="1320804119"] Also Nederland has tons of fans on here the last few years [/quote] Well, we've actually had something to talk about ever since English took over the program five/six years ago. It all turned around about 9 years ago when he and a few others started a little dribblers program in Nederland. As long as he is our head coach, we will continue to be competitive, and that will keep us active on this board. As I've said before, I don't expect Nederland to win district this season (as I expected them to win last year), but it will not surprise me if they win district again. With their 7th, 8th, 9th, JV, and Varsity teams all winning district last year, I expect Nederland will be very competitive for years to come...

That's not saying much Dove, since you don't think Nederland is going to be good this year.  ::) And since when is judging a summer JV basketball game ever considered a benchmark for success? Weak! [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1108761" timestamp="1320759472"] [quote author=2% Milk link=topic=91016.msg1108697#msg1108697 date=1320736216] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1107971#msg1107971 date=1320694247] [quote author=2% Milk link=topic=91016.msg1107961#msg1107961 date=1320693857] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1107856#msg1107856 date=1320689312] [quote author=2% Milk link=topic=91016.msg1107849#msg1107849 date=1320688819] Kelly vs Hamshire Fannett [/quote]Hmmm? Think you guys can handle HF? Gonna be a different team this year.  ;) [/quote] i just want to see what all the hypes about. Kelly is a young team they scrimmaged Vidor this weekend and had i believe 4 freshmen playing varsity and a sophomore. Lets just say they handled Vidor pretty well. It will be interesting to see this team grow up. [/quote]Kelly is young. I agree. Aggressive group with a will to win. Should be a good game. ;) [/quote]not sure if serious [/quote]I'm serious. They have some good guys who go after it. They beat Nederland's JV this summer pretty bad. ;) [/quote]

Deer Park PAM North Shore La Porte Vidor Nederland Barbers Hill PNG Chapel Hill Huffman Bullard Coldspring Kirbyville WOS Tatum CC Newton New Waverly Thrall Milano West Sabine Burton Beaumont Legacy Beaumont Kelly HFA

[quote name="ColdHardTRUTH" post="1108324" timestamp="1320713603"] Barbers Hill got in by winning one of the poorest districts around. Barbers Hill would be better off being in the district with houston yates, houston worthing, jones etc...take your pick. Ozen is by far the stronger team on both sides of the ball. God, Barbers Hill Fans get on my nerves too...everybody pray they get re-ailligned this year to a houston based district so we maybe wont have to deal with them anymore. Ozen by 4 TD's..no way Barbers Hill can keep up with Ozens speed. [/quote] I would not be surprised if Ozen wins, but 4TDs?? Don't think they've beat anyone by 4TDs all year. Lots of people also predicted Vidor would lose to Livingston and Ozen b/c of their speed, and Vidor proved them wrong. Speed is nice to have, but it only wins you games against weak teams, and BH is not weak! Should be a great game!

I say Nederland beats the Pats: Ned 41 GCM 21 Nederland's offense did not start clicking until after the midway point in the season, and they still scored 38 on GCM in the beginning of the season. Neds 'D' causes chaos for opposing offenses, and those two fumbles are a big reason the Dogs won. All year, many opponents fans said their team would have won, but they fumbled, or they threw Ints, or... TOs are huge in FB, and Nederland has created them all year in crucial moments of games. I believe their defense does it again! PNG wins over Dayton in a shootout Vidor wins over Crosby in a low scoring game BH wins over Ozen by containing Green and company

You are looking waaaay too deep into this one, Dove. The topic is Central Jaguar Basketball, right? There has been talk about Kristian Smith and that's it, so I did a bit of research-not that hard to do-and provided some names. The reason you do not have to look up anyone from 'my team' is because 5on5, dogs1218, #1 manager, EZDAWG, and myself have provided you (and others) with players names, etc. from 'my team' for the past 5-6 months. I'm trying to stay on topic here, and I don't see what is wrong with that! Anyway, this Central Jaguar team was up and down last year. They lost to WB early by a lot, then a few weeks later, they returned the favor. Ozen beat Central in the 1st game of district, then Central beat Ozen at home about 6 weeks later. Central also lost two district games to Nederland, and one more to LCM. Signs of a young team with their inconsistency. I see this team finishing anywhere from 1st-3rd in district and winning two playoff games (depending on their bracket).

Ha! You funny!  ;D ;D ;D Just haven't heard any other names from Central other than K. Smith, and I'm not 'nervous' about ONE player unless his initials are MJ! Other players from last year's team are: Robert Mitchell (Junior) Malec Fruge Joseph Allen (graduated) Craig Ferguson Cody Bertrand Markel Frelow (graduated) Dorasheo Thorton [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1107870" timestamp="1320689694"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91080.msg1107859#msg1107859 date=1320689364] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=91080.msg1107510#msg1107510 date=1320643933] By the way Central play, they will go as far as K.Smith takes them.. Ball is in his hands for every crucial play [/quote] What else does Central have? Did they lose much to graduation? I remember they were quick last year, but don't remember any 'Bigs'. I know their JV team was good last year too. K. Smith has been talked about, wondering what other talent they have? Obviously he can't do it all himself. Anyone have a roster or an idea who will start for them? Maybe some names, position, height? [/quote]Abe getting nervous. The pressure is getting to him :D [/quote]

Look who is scared now, Dove!  ;) [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1108102" timestamp="1320701448"] [quote author=EZDawg link=topic=91016.msg1107996#msg1107996 date=1320695534] [quote author=FlexD33 link=topic=91016.msg1106047#msg1106047 date=1320519156] With most of the team schedules out, my question is what game or games are yall most looking forward to this season?? [/quote] I look forward to the following: 1. Nederland at hj monday before thanksgiving 2. Bulldog classic second weekend of december 3. Bulldogs 3 peat as district champions! [/quote]C'mon EZDOG, I was going along with you for 1& 2 and then you thrown in #3. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!! [/quote]

[quote name="dogs1218" post="1107510" timestamp="1320643933"] By the way Central play, they will go as far as K.Smith takes them.. Ball is in his hands for every crucial play [/quote] What else does Central have? Did they lose much to graduation? I remember they were quick last year, but don't remember any 'Bigs'. I know their JV team was good last year too. K. Smith has been talked about, wondering what other talent they have? Obviously he can't do it all himself. Anyone have a roster or an idea who will start for them? Maybe some names, position, height?

We know that's true!  ;D [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1105850" timestamp="1320509355"] [quote author=CATMAN link=topic=90821.msg1105846#msg1105846 date=1320509238] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=90821.msg1105802#msg1105802 date=1320506817] [quote author=utfan06 link=topic=90821.msg1105675#msg1105675 date=1320499349] I watched evadale in summer league ... they had one person that was decent ... [/quote]Finally! Someone on here with their own honest opinion. :D [/quote] Are u saying your opinion are not honest. :o :o :o :o :o [/quote]Not all the time ;) [/quote]

Good teams play down to the le_vel of competition all of the time.

PAM Barbers Hill Baytown Lee Dayton Vidor Nederland PNG Kirbyville Bridge City WOS Silsbee Coldspring E. Chambers Anahuac Newton Woodville San Augustine Hemphill W. Sabine Evadale Burkeville Bmt. Kelly Bmt. Legacy La Porte Bmt. Ozen

[quote name="Water Boy 21" post="1102936" timestamp="1320284138"] i wonder how they mke these picks since evadale won at home last year and H-D won at there house, and evadale lost 5 SR and i dont think H-D lost any but they still got evadale ahead of H-D but heck what do i know [/quote] I'm not a fan of pre-season rankings. If it were up to me, I would not release rankings until 10-15 games into the season. But they didn't ask me.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1102844" timestamp="1320276209"] No HJ is the best in the state! [/quote] You just keep throwing out that bait huh, BadSanta? I'm sure someone will go for it sooner or later!    ;D

Whipped up on who this summer, the Freshman team? It really doesn't matter Dove. Nederland's Varsity, JV, and Freshman all won district last year. If you want to make yourself feel better by trying to discredit them from an 8th grade game during the summer, then go for it! Their play on the court last year (combined record of 92-8) speaks for itself, and all evidence points towards another strong year for Big Ned Basketball! [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1102751" timestamp="1320269890"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=90821.msg1102735#msg1102735 date=1320268795] Since both mascots are Bulldogs, then I'll forgive you this time...  ::) [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=90821.msg1102617#msg1102617 date=1320262758] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=90821.msg1102591#msg1102591 date=1320260829] What??? They did NOT lose to HF last year! Nederland JV had a 32-1 record last year, with their only loss being to Bmt. Central. They also won all 3 tourneys they played in. I'll listen to Ur opinion all day, but get Ur facts straight 1st... [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=90821.msg1102369#msg1102369 date=1320251174] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=90821.msg1102254#msg1102254 date=1320243640] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=90821.msg1102185#msg1102185 date=1320238461] The lists are trash.  Nederland #2 after all those seniors gone?  West Brook #2?  Memorial #3?  Wow is all I have to say. [/quote] Hey Soulja-Have U seen Ned play this summer or in Houston this Fall? Remember their JV also won district last year, and their Freshman tied for district champs. They are young with fresh faces, I agree. But these kids can play some round ball, no doubt! [/quote]Your JV and freshmen class were killed by HF. So we already know the future :o [/quote] [/quote]OOOPS! yOU'RE RIGHT! tHAT was with Kelly players during the summer. Sorry! [/quote] [/quote]Nooooo! I meant Kelly whipped up on your beloved Nederland guys this summer [/quote]

He is referring to this year's Varsity squad not being as good as those players mentioned, I believe? Not the Ned Freshman team from last year. But the Ned freshman team only lost two games last year. One in the Championship game of the Ned tourney, and the other in OT against Ozen. They accomplished that w/o their best freshman (Weisbrod). Say what you want Dove, but you need to give credit where it is due. [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1102623" timestamp="1320262932"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=90821.msg1102609#msg1102609 date=1320262221] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=90821.msg1102280#msg1102280 date=1320245029] No, [b]I have not seen them, but I know they won't be as good as [/b] players like Cunningham, Forney, or Smith who was lost to graduation.  Maybe I'm wrong, but i just don't think it'll happen. [/quote] If you haven't seen them play, then what are you basing your assessment on? Presumption? Only time will tell if they are "as good", but how is that even measured? Success? A good time to assess this team will be in HJ the Monday before Thanksgiving. Should be a great game like it was last year. [/quote]Abe, been seeing the same team from 5th grade thru 10th grade. ;) [/quote]

Since both mascots are Bulldogs, then I'll forgive you this time...  ::) [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1102617" timestamp="1320262758"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=90821.msg1102591#msg1102591 date=1320260829] What??? They did NOT lose to HF last year! Nederland JV had a 32-1 record last year, with their only loss being to Bmt. Central. They also won all 3 tourneys they played in. I'll listen to Ur opinion all day, but get Ur facts straight 1st... [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=90821.msg1102369#msg1102369 date=1320251174] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=90821.msg1102254#msg1102254 date=1320243640] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=90821.msg1102185#msg1102185 date=1320238461] The lists are trash.  Nederland #2 after all those seniors gone?  West Brook #2?  Memorial #3?  Wow is all I have to say. [/quote] Hey Soulja-Have U seen Ned play this summer or in Houston this Fall? Remember their JV also won district last year, and their Freshman tied for district champs. They are young with fresh faces, I agree. But these kids can play some round ball, no doubt! [/quote]Your JV and freshmen class were killed by HF. So we already know the future :o [/quote] [/quote]OOOPS! yOU'RE RIGHT! tHAT was with Kelly players during the summer. Sorry! [/quote]

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1102280" timestamp="1320245029"] No, [b]I have not seen them, but I know they won't be as good as [/b] players like Cunningham, Forney, or Smith who was lost to graduation.  Maybe I'm wrong, but i just don't think it'll happen. [/quote] If you haven't seen them play, then what are you basing your assessment on? Presumption? Only time will tell if they are "as good", but how is that even measured? Success? A good time to assess this team will be in HJ the Monday before Thanksgiving. Should be a great game like it was last year.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1102368" timestamp="1320251081"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=90821.msg1102254#msg1102254 date=1320243640] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=90821.msg1102185#msg1102185 date=1320238461] The lists are trash.  Nederland #2 after all those seniors gone?  West Brook #2?  Memorial #3?  Wow is all I have to say. [/quote] Hey Soulja-Have U seen Ned play this summer or in Houston this Fall? Remember their JV also won district last year, and their Freshman tied for district champs. They are young with fresh faces, I agree. But these kids can play some round ball, no doubt! [/quote]Abe, your JV will get killed this year. If Central freshmen play JV (and not varsity) this year, they will kill Nederland. :o [/quote] Don't know how good the JV team will be this year. The team will be missing their best Freshman player (Kolton Kimler (not Weisbrod)) from last year's team who will be on Varsity this year. He is currently playing both ways on Nederland's varsity FB team. In addition, the Ned Freshman team tied with Ozen last year for the district title, and they only lost 2 games all year, and they won 2 of their 3 tournaments. I wouldn't say Nederland's run is over just yet!  ;)

What??? They did NOT lose to HF last year! Nederland JV had a 32-1 record last year, with their only loss being to Bmt. Central. They also won all 3 tourneys they played in. I'll listen to Ur opinion all day, but get Ur facts straight 1st... [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1102369" timestamp="1320251174"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=90821.msg1102254#msg1102254 date=1320243640] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=90821.msg1102185#msg1102185 date=1320238461] The lists are trash.  Nederland #2 after all those seniors gone?  West Brook #2?  Memorial #3?  Wow is all I have to say. [/quote] Hey Soulja-Have U seen Ned play this summer or in Houston this Fall? Remember their JV also won district last year, and their Freshman tied for district champs. They are young with fresh faces, I agree. But these kids can play some round ball, no doubt! [/quote]Your JV and freshmen class were killed by HF. So we already know the future :o [/quote]

I'm sure tears are flowing from your eyes b/c of this, right Nash? :'(  :'(  :'( [quote name="stevenash" post="1102393" timestamp="1320252070"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=90821.msg1102370#msg1102370 date=1320251240] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=90821.msg1102280#msg1102280 date=1320245029] No, I have not seen them, but I know they won't be as good as players like Cunningham, Forney, or Smith who was lost to graduation.  Maybe I'm wrong, but i just don't think it'll happen. [/quote]Nederland had a nice run for awhile. Good while it lasted. [/quote] Looks like Dove has shifted his attention from HJ to Nederland [/quote]