Honest Abe

Ok. Just makin' sure you know that I was not the person who made the initial comment. I know u said nothing about winning state, I was just trying to bring some perspective to the comments. I'm sure Matthews knows the limits and abilities of his team. If the passing game was a strength, i'm sure he would go to it. Since it's not, he's doing what most good coaches do by playing to the strength of his team, which is running the ball. [quote name="mytwocents" post="1084094" timestamp="1318704337"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=89853.msg1084073#msg1084073 date=1318703454] No, not me. I did not say a word about Matthews. I merely commented on 1954's comment about Vidor getting beat in the playoffs. I am commenting from a neutral perspective. As I mentioned, they are likely to lose at some point since only one team comes out of the playoffs undefeated, right? I think they will win 2-3 playoff games, depending on their draw. I wish Vidor the best, but I don't see them winning the state title this year. [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=89853.msg1084050#msg1084050 date=1318701903] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=89853.msg1083786#msg1083786 date=1318683928] Expect better from me? Look, I'm not a moderator. If you have an issue w/rinjt1954, then report the post to a moderator and let them decide if it is considering bashing. I'm just providing ONE view of this post. The post from 1954 does not personally attack coach Matthews in this post-imHo. [quote author=BWOOD link=topic=89853.msg1083768#msg1083768 date=1318682272] This is forum rule 18, or does this only apply to other coaches.  I would expect better from you! [b]18 ) The bashing of any particular coach, player, referee, etc will not be tolerated. This includes issues involving their personal lives, coaching/playing style or performance, past experiences, etc.[/b] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=89853.msg1083741#msg1083741 date=1318679782] [quote author=BWOOD link=topic=89853.msg1083614#msg1083614 date=1318654150] [quote author=rinjt1954 link=topic=89853.msg1082961#msg1082961 date=1318642239] Jeff Matthews is going to get beat in the playoffs, because he don't want to pass. You can't win the big ones just running in this league. [/quote] Would someone please delete this mess.  It's uncalled for. [/quote] Every team except one loses in the playoffs each year. I don't see this comment as slanderous against another person, it's merely an opinion of what will possibly happen b/c Vidor rely's on the run so much.with that said, I have to agree. Not many one dimensional teams make it very far in the playoffs these days. [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] No you didn't insult mathews directly but you did insult his coaching/playing style. And that is against the rules. Plain and simple. And to all of yall saying you can't make it too far in the playoffs with a run heavy offense check your stats. Liberty Hill won two state championships back to back in 2006 and 2007 while running the Slot T offense. [/quote] [/quote] I never said we would win state either and my comment wasn't directly meant towards you Abe. It was meant towards everyone that is saying Vidor's Slot T offense isn't good enough for the playoffs. [/quote]

No, not me. I did not say a word about Matthews. I merely commented on 1954's comment about Vidor getting beat in the playoffs. I am commenting from a neutral perspective. As I mentioned, they are likely to lose at some point since only one team comes out of the playoffs undefeated, right? I think they will win 2-3 playoff games, depending on their draw. I wish Vidor the best, but I don't see them winning the state title this year. [quote name="mytwocents" post="1084050" timestamp="1318701903"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=89853.msg1083786#msg1083786 date=1318683928] Expect better from me? Look, I'm not a moderator. If you have an issue w/rinjt1954, then report the post to a moderator and let them decide if it is considering bashing. I'm just providing ONE view of this post. The post from 1954 does not personally attack coach Matthews in this post-imHo. [quote author=BWOOD link=topic=89853.msg1083768#msg1083768 date=1318682272] This is forum rule 18, or does this only apply to other coaches.  I would expect better from you! [b]18 ) The bashing of any particular coach, player, referee, etc will not be tolerated. This includes issues involving their personal lives, coaching/playing style or performance, past experiences, etc.[/b] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=89853.msg1083741#msg1083741 date=1318679782] [quote author=BWOOD link=topic=89853.msg1083614#msg1083614 date=1318654150] [quote author=rinjt1954 link=topic=89853.msg1082961#msg1082961 date=1318642239] Jeff Matthews is going to get beat in the playoffs, because he don't want to pass. You can't win the big ones just running in this league. [/quote] Would someone please delete this mess.  It's uncalled for. [/quote] Every team except one loses in the playoffs each year. I don't see this comment as slanderous against another person, it's merely an opinion of what will possibly happen b/c Vidor rely's on the run so much.with that said, I have to agree. Not many one dimensional teams make it very far in the playoffs these days. [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] No you didn't insult mathews directly but you did insult his coaching/playing style. And that is against the rules. Plain and simple. And to all of yall saying you can't make it too far in the playoffs with a run heavy offense check your stats. Liberty Hill won two state championships back to back in 2006 and 2007 while running the Slot T offense. [/quote]

Expect better from me? Look, I'm not a moderator. If you have an issue w/rinjt1954, then report the post to a moderator and let them decide if it is considering bashing. I'm just providing ONE view of this post. The post from 1954 does not personally attack coach Matthews in this post-imHo. [quote name="BWOOD" post="1083768" timestamp="1318682272"] This is forum rule 18, or does this only apply to other coaches.  I would expect better from you! [b]18 ) The bashing of any particular coach, player, referee, etc will not be tolerated. This includes issues involving their personal lives, coaching/playing style or performance, past experiences, etc.[/b] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=89853.msg1083741#msg1083741 date=1318679782] [quote author=BWOOD link=topic=89853.msg1083614#msg1083614 date=1318654150] [quote author=rinjt1954 link=topic=89853.msg1082961#msg1082961 date=1318642239] Jeff Matthews is going to get beat in the playoffs, because he don't want to pass. You can't win the big ones just running in this league. [/quote] Would someone please delete this mess.  It's uncalled for. [/quote] Every team except one loses in the playoffs each year. I don't see this comment as slanderous against another person, it's merely an opinion of what will possibly happen b/c Vidor rely's on the run so much.with that said, I have to agree. Not many one dimensional teams make it very far in the playoffs these days. [/quote] [/quote]

[quote name="BWOOD" post="1083614" timestamp="1318654150"] [quote author=rinjt1954 link=topic=89853.msg1082961#msg1082961 date=1318642239] Jeff Matthews is going to get beat in the playoffs, because he don't want to pass. You can't win the big ones just running in this league. [/quote] Would someone please delete this mess.  It's uncalled for. [/quote] Every team except one loses in the playoffs each year. I don't see this comment as slanderous against another person, it's merely an opinion of what will possibly happen b/c Vidor rely's on the run so much.with that said, I have to agree. Not many one dimensional teams make it very far in the playoffs these days.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1081656" timestamp="1318537012"] I don't see LaMarque opting to stay in 4A. They will probably be sent west in that West Columbia, Sweeny district and be in Region IV. But, if those 6 HISD schools finally decide to move down to 3A (they have all opted to stay 4A with 3A numbers for the last 3 realignments) then I could see LaMarque joining them in a Region III district. [/quote] Are you referring to Yates as being one of those 3? Would love to see them drop for the sake of Nederland BBall! I'm sure Silsbee an HJ don't want to see that happen though. Wonder how that would affect their recruiting...I mean they're wonderful science program?  ::) and regardless of numbers, LaMarque is always scary in FB (not bad in B-Ball either)!

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[quote name="ballin4life" post="1079561" timestamp="1318296577"] PAM will be fine trust me.....NED always beat PAM this time of the year bunch of guys playing football.Northshore will be good but i like our chances  ;) [/quote] Were they playing football this summer too when Ned beat them?  ??? North Shore is a power house this year, right Dove?

Good to hear about them beating PAM decisively. Surprised that they lost to Sterling though-not sure if they even won a district game last year?? Not too concerned though. A young team who will find their way as the season progresses. Watch out Dove! Mark January 17th on your calendar.

Weights are a must IMO. Weights improve strength, power, explosiveness, and helps to prevent injuries. Too many b-ball coaches under emphasize their value. The only time I believe they are not of value is on game day. Definitely messes up your shot. Would love to see Nederland bulk up a bit and push other teams around (for a change).  :)

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[quote name="Trocket" post="1072108" timestamp="1317588475"] Livingston 48 Nederland 9 Ok, who's in line to be the #1 defense after Friday, Livingston will be out to prove a point!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D [/quote] Didn't u predict last week that PNG would beat Ned 42-21? I'm sure you'll redeem yourself with this prediction though!  ;)

[quote name="pngpurple4ever" post="1071571" timestamp="1317521383"] I predict after Livingston goes up 24-0 by halftime that Nederland's stands will be half empty. [/quote] Still upset about Friday? 24 by half? You may want to research a bit more. Ned allowed 21 pts against PNG (the most they've allowed all season, not to mention that last TD was during a prevent D). This Dawgs 'D' is the real deal, just like Livingston's 'O' is the real deal. Gonna be close just like every Ned game this year. Nederland 28 Livingston 27

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[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1069724" timestamp="1317407537"] I know it doesn't happen that way, Dove. It was a joke! Every time Ned (or MC Flight) plays in Houston, they always play 'weak opponents'-in your opinion. I find it comical, but not sure if everyone gets ur humor and Appreciates the entertainment you bring to this forum! [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=89026.msg1069683#msg1069683 date=1317403489] I don't think it happens this way.They look at the schools in this area as out of towners trying to play basketball. So they gives us a break in pool play. ;) quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=89026.msg1069621#msg1069621 date=1317398854] Of course! Every time Ned goes to Houston, coach E asks the tourney directors to take it easy on his team.  ;D [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=89026.msg1069608#msg1069608 date=1317398198] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=89026.msg1069581#msg1069581 date=1317396382] [quote author=no-look link=topic=89026.msg1069255#msg1069255 date=1317344922] Better bring their A game..... [/quote] They played this kind of talent all summer in Houston. They will do fine. They will use this kind of tourney to help them mesh together and get ready for the season. Gonna be a hard team to beat Dove!  ;) [/quote]i think you guys are coming into the tourney on an upside. St. Thomas & Kingwood in the past were more dominant but I feel Nederland was put into the weakest pool to give you guys a little hope to take back home ;D [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]

I know it doesn't happen that way, Dove. It was a joke! Every time Ned (or MC Flight) plays in Houston, they always play 'weak opponents'-in your opinion. I find it comical, but not sure if everyone gets ur humor and entertainment! [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1069683" timestamp="1317403489"] I don't think it happens this way.They look at the schools in this area as out of towners trying to play basketball. So they gives us a break in pool play. ;) quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=89026.msg1069621#msg1069621 date=1317398854] Of course! Every time Ned goes to Houston, coach E asks the tourney directors to take it easy on his team.  ;D [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=89026.msg1069608#msg1069608 date=1317398198] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=89026.msg1069581#msg1069581 date=1317396382] [quote author=no-look link=topic=89026.msg1069255#msg1069255 date=1317344922] Better bring their A game..... [/quote] They played this kind of talent all summer in Houston. They will do fine. They will use this kind of tourney to help them mesh together and get ready for the season. Gonna be a hard team to beat Dove!  ;) [/quote]i think you guys are coming into the tourney on an upside. St. Thomas & Kingwood in the past were more dominant but I feel Nederland was put into the weakest pool to give you guys a little hope to take back home ;D [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]

Don't hold your breath! Dove is just trying to stir the pot and poke some fun. Don't take him too seriously. He's just trying to cover up his insecurities about being a Lib!  :o A fair assessment Nash? [quote name="5 on 5" post="1069678" timestamp="1317403204"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=89026.msg1069608#msg1069608 date=1317398198] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=89026.msg1069581#msg1069581 date=1317396382] [quote author=no-look link=topic=89026.msg1069255#msg1069255 date=1317344922] Better bring their A game..... [/quote] They played this kind of talent all summer in Houston. They will do fine. They will use this kind of tourney to help them mesh together and get ready for the season. Gonna be a hard team to beat Dove!  ;) [/quote]i think you guys are coming into the tourney on an upside. St. Thomas & Kingwood in the past were more dominant but I feel Nederland was put into the weakest pool to give you guys a little hope to take back home ;D [/quote] Weakest pool?? I'm not so sure, wouldn't that be the pool with HF and Ozen ;D :o.......C'mon dove give the dogs a little credit will ya :D [/quote]

Of course! Every time Ned goes to Houston, coach E asks the tourney directors to take it easy on his team.  ;D [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1069608" timestamp="1317398198"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=89026.msg1069581#msg1069581 date=1317396382] [quote author=no-look link=topic=89026.msg1069255#msg1069255 date=1317344922] Better bring their A game..... [/quote] They played this kind of talent all summer in Houston. They will do fine. They will use this kind of tourney to help them mesh together and get ready for the season. Gonna be a hard team to beat Dove!  ;) [/quote]i think you guys are coming into the tourney on an upside. St. Thomas & Kingwood in the past were more dominant but I feel Nederland was put into the weakest pool to give you guys a little hope to take back home ;D [/quote]

We need more parents who have ur mentality! Good post! [quote name="pngfan1" post="1069580" timestamp="1317396012"] [quote author=Always Be Faithful link=topic=88772.msg1069532#msg1069532 date=1317392955] [quote author=akifan94 link=topic=88772.msg1069441#msg1069441 date=1317384504] [quote author=outanup link=topic=88772.msg1069422#msg1069422 date=1317378009] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=88772.msg1069325#msg1069325 date=1317349720] [quote author=akifan94 link=topic=88772.msg1069067#msg1069067 date=1317328924] [quote author=Ned11str8 link=topic=88772.msg1066434#msg1066434 date=1317031562] [quote author=td link=topic=88772.msg1066432#msg1066432 date=1317030915] This sounds like kids just being kids. I'm not sure why some people are making a big deal out of it. I for one am glad I didn't get caught doing all of the stupid things I did as a teen. Let them take their punishment and move on. [/quote] Amen td ! Amen  . They're children [/quote] Kids being kids would seem to apply when kids sit around someone's house and drank are at the local park. Being at a school event and drinking on campus is a whole other issue. [/quote] Be careful about throwing rocks at glass houses. [/quote]Well said Bigdog.... ;D ;D ;D [/quote] So you can confirm PN-G football players have been caught drinking at school organized functions on campus? If not there is no glass house. [/quote] There were several Indianette officers kicked off the squad for drinking at an [i]off campus [/i] school event when I was in high school, back in the day. If I remember correctly, they were in uniform. Does that count? Teenagers screw up, period - even teenagers from PN-G. Their brains are not fully formed, especially in the area of decision making... proven fact. As much as I like to give my Bulldog friends h*ell, to pretend that this issue is confined to their campus is ludicrous. Signed, proud Indian mom of 3 imperfect but still extremely awesome Indian boys. [move][b][color=purple]Scalp 'em Indians![/color][/b][/move] [/quote] Well , I was going to avoid this thread since I don't agree with news like this of a minor being aired publicly. But since it has kind of turned to underage drinking ( a subject I have strong feelings about) I will. And yes my post has nothing to do with the original title , I don't know any facts regarding that and don't want to know anything that is not my business. I believe a lot of regular PNG posters have stayed away from this  , yes some have took advantage to take a shot at our neighbors and it would be no different if it was the other way around. Good post by ALWAYS BE FAUTHFUL , yes it happens here. Too much, as a matter of fact. The shame is when I see it going on and adults are consenting and allowing it to happen at their home. All this just to make sure your child's social status is where you want it to be. Not a smart responsibility to take on. Most of the time nothing is hurt but sometimes a childs life is lost , unfortunately. And yet some are still willing to take that risk here as well as most other communities. OK , enough of my rant. I am looking forward to a great game tonight , hopefully we come out the winner. Go Indians!!! [/quote]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1069486" timestamp="1317389063"] [quote author=#1 Manager link=topic=89026.msg1069356#msg1069356 date=1317351616] [quote author=no-look link=topic=89026.msg1069295#msg1069295 date=1317348093] How many starters does Ned have coming back? [/quote] None, they had 5 seniors start last year. But they bring back 2 returners and a JV team that only lost 1 game last year [/quote]Weak JV ::) [/quote] ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Oh! You mean that same 'weak' group who has won 90+ games since 7th grade and lost less than 5? Ya, I wouldn't worry about them either.  ::)

[quote name="no-look" post="1069255" timestamp="1317344922"] Better bring their A game..... [/quote] They played this kind of talent all summer in Houston. They will do fine. They will use this kind of tourney to help them mesh together and get ready for the season. Gonna be a hard team to beat Dove!  ;)

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That's what it's all about, good clean fun poking at each other. Some people just take it to the next level. I'm guessing they have never played the game??  ??? [quote name="PNGFan" post="1067674" timestamp="1317149106"] Some of my closest friends are from Nederland. This is the best week out of the year. We play jokes on each other all week. I woke up this morning with a Bulldog sign in my yard and my car. I have a special suprise for them come Friday morning!!! [/quote]

How is that relevant to THIS game? [quote name="Scalp'em" post="1067569" timestamp="1317144356"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=88766.msg1067565#msg1067565 date=1317144249] Interesting numbers, Nederland is 12-6 against PNG since Neuman took over. [/quote] But, but, but, Who has the better playoff record? [/quote]

Bandkid-U have to TRY to understand that most of the people who make such remarks don't have the maturity or respect for the other team/town. Not many college Freshman think like u do. U nailed it though, good post! [quote name="PN-G bamakid" post="1067101" timestamp="1317086944"] [quote author=GoDogs27 link=topic=88766.msg1066968#msg1066968 date=1317076320] I would like the png fans to list their excuses now. When nederland wins, what excuses are you going to give? We all know that you will all refuse to admit it when you get beat by a better Nederland team. So get them out of your system now because I will call every one of you out if you use excuses after the game... Most obnoxious people on earth=png fans.. I don't know why everyone says we are cool every week out of the year except this week. I hate everything about png and I hope they lose every week. Sorry, ill never show up at a png game in support if they are in the playoffs. Be ready for an 0-2 start purple people.. [/quote] You know, it's posts like these that make me lose faith in people. I don't know how many times I've said it, but I honestly believe that this is the fiercest rivalry of any school anywhere. PN-G elementary students are taught to hate black and gold and Nederland elementary students are taught to break purple crayons. Long-time friends and even family from both sides of the tracks constantly find themselves making fun of the rival schools and taking friendly shots at each other year round. At the game, the two sides are constantly trying to make more noise than the other and drown each other's fight songs out, sometimes even booing the opposing team or the other mascot. Even outside of the game, PN-G and Nederland students alike find themselves comparing their schools' accomplishments in any given field - not just sports. But beneath the constant one-upmanship and behind all of the fierce competition, there's a strong bond between these two communities. Most of the kids out on the field at MCM have grown up together, whether they be holding the football, an instrument or a pair of pom-poms. Heck, most of the people in the two crowds grew up together. Many people live in Nederland and go to church in Port Neches or Groves and vice versa. Many live in one community and work in another, and almost all interact with one another regularly. Things like Mid-County Kindness exemplify the strengths of the bond and the competitiveness is part of what keeps the schools - and the communities at large - performing so well. I know most people believe that and genuinely mean the jokes and the swipes in good fun; I joke about Nederland a lot too, maybe even a little too much, but I'm just doing it to rattle a few cages, just like most Nederland fans do it to ruffle a few feathers. And then I read posts like the one above, and I just have to sit back and wonder. Keep it in perspective, folks. Scalp 'em. [/quote]

Wrong! You're obviously not from Nederland, so U have no clue about what U are talking about. Tell us YOUR perspective from PNG, and let us tell you ours. PNG is just another game in my mind, but I can't speak for everyone. But I can guarantee you that the kids who play the game (and when iI played) want to win every game, not just against y'all. [quote name="PNGFan" post="1067595" timestamp="1317145450"] Nederlands whole season is about beating PNG, not winning a District Championship or going far in the playoffs. Faircloth is about getting better each week no matter who we're playing and if we do make the playoffs to be prepared.  For Nederland and there fans it is all about beating PNG. [/quote]