Honest Abe

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1023701" timestamp="1310356129"] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=84422.msg1023696#msg1023696 date=1310354336] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=84422.msg1023695#msg1023695 date=1310354255] [quote author=aDIDBAdad link=topic=84422.msg1023619#msg1023619 date=1310328654] I try not to pay any attention to Dove and his Nederland comments. He is still upset that HF's best freshman, from last yr, transferred to a real BB program. He just needs to wise up and move the Little Doves. That move would get his 2 further in the playoffs than any HF team will go.  :D [/quote] :D We would have killed Nederland Saturday. The time has arrived. Horn power baby-yyyyy!! [/quote] Which Nederland? You cant be talking about the varsity.. [/quote]Oh yeah! The varsity. I know its going to be hard for yall to get use to it ;) [/quote] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! Thanks for the early morning laugh Dove!

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1023601" timestamp="1310321781"] HF could have beaten the Nederland teams yesterday ;D [/quote] Not what I heard. Nederland won both games. One against a Beaumont team, the other against PAM! Nice try Dove. :-\

[quote name="texas2step4u" post="1023599" timestamp="1310321536"] Sterling is the guy. Just has to have board approval.  One returning starter and a total of 2 lettermen. One of those plays football, so he wont be practicing basketball for some time once football kicks off.  It will be a very young, small team.  In order for this years team to have any chance at a good record, the staff will have to find a way to motivate kids to work way harder to improve their skills and then learn to play as a team.  It wont be easy to do that in Vidor.  No community support for basketball. No Little Dribblers to help get the little kids learning fundamentals. Heck, Vidor doesnt even have a rec center or outdoor basketball court any longer.  Pretty sad, really. [/quote] That is very sad to hear. You think there is someone in Vidor who is passionate about kids and basketball. Implementing a Little Dribblers program is the 1st step to succes, but it will not happen overnight. Nederland began a LD program about 7-8 years ago (I believe?). It wasn't until a few years ago that their program became competitive. Without fundamentals, any team has a steep hill to climb. Sounds like it's gonna be a rough season for the Pirates.

[quote name="aDIDBAdad" post="1023414" timestamp="1310220861"] You are correct Dogs 1218. I should have clarified last yrs team will be the best English will ever coach in Nederland. After coach's 8th grader graduates he will be looking for something much bigger than Nederland and a district champion. Keeping it real, I just don't see a state appearance in the next 5 yrs for Ned. Unless we draw some fabulous transfers to go with the group we already have.    [/quote] Last years team may be the most ATHLETIC team which English will coach, but definitely NOT the best TEAM. I do agree that their maturity and Varsity experience will be their biggest obstacle, but they will be ready by seasons end to make a deep run in the playoffs. There will b inconsistency for the 1st 1/2 of the season, but they will be the best TEAM in the district by seasons end. They may not finish in 1st, but they will be the best team by the end of district. As far as English going on to bigger and better things after his youngest graduates, I believe Ur wrong there.He's invested way too much time to pack up and leave for more money, or a better chance to win a state championship. He's a Nederland guy who bleeds black and gold. Money doesn't motivate him. That's what makes him so special.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1022027" timestamp="1309608741"] That's it! Nederland will be on Dove's hit list along with HJ for the coming season. Its on! [/quote]   ;) ;) ;) ;)

Bring it Dove! [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1021962" timestamp="1309568368"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=84422.msg1021945#msg1021945 date=1309562509] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=84422.msg1021938#msg1021938 date=1309559492] Nederland ain't HJ [/quote] Not yet, but Ned is trending in that direction for sure! Ned would definitely run HF out of the gym  ;D [/quote] >:( Oh okay, Nederland better hope and pray HF doesn't get into the YMBL in the future. [/quote]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1021938" timestamp="1309559492"] Nederland ain't HJ [/quote] Not yet, but Ned is trending in that direction for sure! Ned would definitely run HF out of the gym  ;D

[quote name="ford15" post="1021933" timestamp="1309558845"] Don't worry Nederland fans. H-J lost alot and it was predicted by several that we would not go far last year or the year before or the year before, or................! ;D ;D ;) [/quote] Ya, that's what another HJ fan told me a few months ago. Y'all call it re-LOADING every yr instead of re-building...I like it!!

Have U seen the new kid play yet Nash or just speculating? [quote name="stevenash" post="1021877" timestamp="1309548511"] [quote author=Versey Ledbetter link=topic=84422.msg1021863#msg1021863 date=1309546843] [quote author=NHS1990 link=topic=84422.msg1021834#msg1021834 date=1309541323] I've seen the new big kid in action. He looks good, will be a great asset to the team, esp after losing so much size from last year. I don't think Nederland will miss a beat this season. [/quote] I hope you're right but I'll be very and pleasantly surprised if Nederland doesn't "miss a beat" next season. [/quote] My guess is the new big kid will be one of the top two or three posts in all classes in the area next year. [/quote]

Did some research, ur correct, Vidor made the playoffs 2 yrs in a row not three(my mistake). I really did not know the W-L record of Ozen and Central, so I was not attempting to be a smart-rear. I DO know, (and i'm sure English is well aware) of the talent at Central. It seems to me though that you think Nederland lacks talent b/c they lost so much from last yr. U seem to think they will be back to their losing ways to where they were before Fourney and Smith and Cunningham. I am just informing you that they have lots of talented kids, and Ned will be an elite team for years to come. [quote name="BMTJags" post="1021862" timestamp="1309546595"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=84422.msg1021852#msg1021852 date=1309543749] [quote author=BMTJags link=topic=84422.msg1021824#msg1021824 date=1309539627] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=84422.msg1021814#msg1021814 date=1309538609] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=84422.msg1021806#msg1021806 date=1309537743] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=84422.msg1021798#msg1021798 date=1309536153] I think this year is going to be much more competitive than last ;) at least this time you guys could have a chance at get a win against Nederland :D [/quote] :o Central gonna run all over Nederland. Nederland has no chance. Give up. Leave the district. Go 3-A,  you will have a better chance ;D [/quote] Can't wait to see Ur shocked reaction when Nederland wins district again! ::) [/quote]Just so you know, Coach English have taken many beatings at the hands of Central while at Vidor. That Vidor team (2006 I believe) that beat Ozen (still pretty dominant) 3 times in one year was taken down by double digits by Central.  That Vidor team was Coached by English.   [/quote] Remember now, Vidor never had a winning record before English arrived, and never made the playoffs. After he was there for a few years, they made the playoffs 3 yrs in a row! Since he left, they haven't been back! The same year Vidor beat Ozen 3 times, Vidor also split with Central (who cares if one game was lopsided). What's Ur point? U trying to discredit English? He has defeated Ozen 7 times in his career. Don't think any coach and/or team has accomplished that. Nice try... BTW-When was the last time Central beat Ozen? [/quote]Your information is inaccurate.  English's Vidor Pirates made the playoffs once, maybe twice.  They didn't make the playoffs 3 times.  I've just told you that Vidor Beat Ozen twice that year, so why even repeat it?  The lopsided victory shows you that there is talent at Central to beat a English coached team.  I'm not trying to discredit English.  I think he is a good coach.  I'm just informing you that Coach English knows who we are and know  he will have a battle when he plays Central.  I'm sure he don't think his team is all world beaters like you seem to think. BTW, Central have split with Ozen the last 2 years, just in case you didn't  know... [/quote]

[quote name="BMTJags" post="1021824" timestamp="1309539627"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=84422.msg1021814#msg1021814 date=1309538609] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=84422.msg1021806#msg1021806 date=1309537743] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=84422.msg1021798#msg1021798 date=1309536153] I think this year is going to be much more competitive than last ;) at least this time you guys could have a chance at get a win against Nederland :D [/quote] :o Central gonna run all over Nederland. Nederland has no chance. Give up. Leave the district. Go 3-A,  you will have a better chance ;D [/quote] Can't wait to see Ur shocked reaction when Nederland wins district again! ::) [/quote]Just so you know, Coach English have taken many beatings at the hands of Central while at Vidor. That Vidor team (2006 I believe) that beat Ozen (still pretty dominant) 3 times in one year was taken down by double digits by Central.  That Vidor team was Coached by English.   [/quote] Remember now, Vidor never had a winning record before English arrived, and never made the playoffs. After he was there for a few years, they made the playoffs 3 yrs in a row! Since he left, they haven't been back! The same year Vidor beat Ozen 3 times, Vidor also split with Central (who cares if one game was lopsided). What's Ur point? U trying to discredit English? He has defeated Ozen 7 times in his career. Don't think any coach and/or team has accomplished that. Nice try... BTW-When was the last time Central beat Ozen?

[quote name="BMTJags" post="1021797" timestamp="1309535953"] And as far as I can remember, you guys don't have anyone that can guard Kristion Smith, who will be in his senior campagn as a 4 year starter. [/quote] I also can't seem to remember anyone being able to hold Lebron James, but he still doesn't have a ring! :o

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1021806" timestamp="1309537743"] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=84422.msg1021798#msg1021798 date=1309536153] I think this year is going to be much more competitive than last ;) at least this time you guys could have a chance at get a win against Nederland :D [/quote] :o Central gonna run all over Nederland. Nederland has no chance. Give up. Leave the district. Go 3-A,  you will have a better chance ;D [/quote] Can't wait to see Ur shocked reaction when Nederland wins district again! ::)

[quote name="BMTJags" post="1021779" timestamp="1309533624"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=84422.msg1021761#msg1021761 date=1309530470] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=84422.msg1021754#msg1021754 date=1309529386] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=84422.msg1021750#msg1021750 date=1309528644] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=84422.msg1021744#msg1021744 date=1309527693] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=84422.msg1021645#msg1021645 date=1309484695] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=84422.msg1021604#msg1021604 date=1309470840] [quote author=ShlyKBMT link=topic=84422.msg1021585#msg1021585 date=1309466719] Whitesboro is 3A. [/quote]Yep, beating up on the little fellas, huh! [/quote They've also whipped up on Bmt. Central a few times this summer. [/quote]Enjoy your summer ;) [/quote]  So...U think Central is going to defeat Nederland this season in district? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D [/quote]I think Nederland will get the third spot in their district. ;) [/quote] Ok. I predict they get 2nd (at worse). If U are predicting 3rd, then should I assume that u believe Central will finish ahead of them? Quick history of last year: Nederland swept Central last year on Varsity, JV, and Freshman... [/quote]Quick history.  Before the last 2 years (before the 2 bigs from PA come over), what was Big Ned's record against Central?  And may I remind you that those 2 bigs are gone now.  Summer ball do not equate to  anything that will happen  in district, where it means everything.  Please don't tell me that you will rely on the services on the big 'baseball' freshmen player from last year... [/quote] If U want to go back, let's do it! Nederland was NOTHING before coach English took over. This is now an elite program in the area (as long as he is coaching). You can either accept it now or continue denying it. Speaking of the PA transfers...oh U mean when they transferred back in the 6th grade? Do U really consider. That a transfer? And, btw, who cares where they came from. They r (were) HS kids who beat Central the past 2 yearss, and split with them the year before. BTW-Have U seen Ned's sophomore center play? I guess U also didn't hear about the new (actual) transfer who is also 6'5". So we basically replaced two bigs with 2 new bigs. Get ready for more defeats this season! :o

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1021754" timestamp="1309529386"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=84422.msg1021750#msg1021750 date=1309528644] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=84422.msg1021744#msg1021744 date=1309527693] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=84422.msg1021645#msg1021645 date=1309484695] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=84422.msg1021604#msg1021604 date=1309470840] [quote author=ShlyKBMT link=topic=84422.msg1021585#msg1021585 date=1309466719] Whitesboro is 3A. [/quote]Yep, beating up on the little fellas, huh! [/quote] They've also whipped up on Bmt. Central a few times this summer. [/quote]Enjoy your summer ;) [/quote]  So...U think Central is going to defeat Nederland this season in district? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D [/quote]I think Nederland will get the third spot in their district. ;) [/quote] Ok. I predict they get 2nd (at worse). If U are predicting 3rd, then should I assume that u believe Central will finish ahead of them? Quick history of last year: Nederland swept Central last year on Varsity, JV, and Freshman...

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1021744" timestamp="1309527693"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=84422.msg1021645#msg1021645 date=1309484695] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=84422.msg1021604#msg1021604 date=1309470840] [quote author=ShlyKBMT link=topic=84422.msg1021585#msg1021585 date=1309466719] Whitesboro is 3A. [/quote]Yep, beating up on the little fellas, huh! [/quote] They've also whipped up on Bmt. Central a few times this summer. [/quote]Enjoy your summer ;) [/quote] So...U think Central is going to defeat Nederland this season in district? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1021604" timestamp="1309470840"] [quote author=ShlyKBMT link=topic=84422.msg1021585#msg1021585 date=1309466719] Whitesboro is 3A. [/quote]Yep, beating up on the little fellas, huh! [/quote] They've also whipped up on Bmt. Central a few times this summer.

[quote name="dogs1218" post="1020740" timestamp="1309030160"] I love the groups coming up too, but Nederland cant win in Austin unless they get size! Talent is there to be great but Height wins you state ;) The varsity group for next year is learning that at Texas A&M this weekend for the team camp. Playing pretty well from what I have been told, but the teams they are going against are huge [/quote] The 6'5" transfer (not from PAM) should help with size.

[quote name="I dont play well with Jaguars" post="1020763" timestamp="1309037001"] [quote author=BMTJags link=topic=84422.msg1020605#msg1020605 date=1308943393] [quote author=rykerx144 link=topic=84422.msg1020602#msg1020602 date=1308941027] Nederland will be in the top 5 in state for the next four or five years with a State Title within the next 5 years! [/quote] ::) ::) ::) ::) [/quote]they would have to recruit P.A. Memorial much harder for that to happen.  ;) [/quote] When did they start recruiting from there (or anywhere for that matter)? Surely we're not gonna have this debate again!

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1020625" timestamp="1308951640"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=85128.msg1020594#msg1020594 date=1308933266] Come on Dove, answer Nash's post about your boys earning everything, and nothing was given to them. Have they not worked hard to earn the respect they deserve, or did they open the mail and receive 'basketball talent' from someone (government maybe)? [/quote]Okay Abe, I did apply for a government grant and received assistance to attend a very private and exclusive basketball academy in Florida that cater to the haves. As a have-not, I thank the tax paying citizens frm our great country. [/quote] ;D ;D ;D ;D

Come on Dove, answer Nash's post about your boys earning everything, and nothing was given to them. Have they not worked hard to earn the respect they deserve, or did they open the mail and receive 'basketball talent' from someone (government maybe)?

[quote name="ballin4life" post="1019278" timestamp="1308410516"] PAM look good so far, so does NED. Heard that NED will have two new move-ins that should make them real good. [/quote] Move-ins from where?

Not even close. MJ without a doubt. Lebron doesn't want it bad enough.

Not gonna happen. Why would he leave Nederland? His program is thriving, and he is coaching his own kids. 19-1 looks good on paper, but Vidor played against sub-par competition. [quote name="incognito" post="1017826" timestamp="1307803453"] [quote author=tjcfan08 link=topic=84805.msg1017398#msg1017398 date=1307639517] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=84805.msg1017004#msg1017004 date=1307468730] [quote author=emptybucket link=topic=84805.msg1016985#msg1016985 date=1307464764] Anyone know about this position? [/quote] It is open. Zach Quinn has left his head coaching position to be AP at Vidor Middle School. [/quote] Zach Quinn will be missed....I've enjoyed watching him Coach the past 5 or 6 years and I consider him one of the best in our area....Not easy to come in and start a new program and be successful, but would have liked the opportunity to see what he could have done with a talented group of kids that put basketball first....Good Luck Mr. Quinn!!!!  [/quote] Maybe they could talk Brian English, who is currently the head coach at Nederland into comming back to Vidor. You know Quinn led the Pirates to a 23-9 record this season, including a 19-1 start....not bad. [/quote]

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