Honest Abe

[quote name="Scooter!" post="984195" timestamp="1300368224"] final polls are always a joke unless your crowned #1. [/quote] I know it's not going to matter (to us) 9 months from now, but those kids and Coach English deserve the recognition. And Bobcat, they beat Ozen (who was not ranked all season in top 25 until final poll) twice in district convincingly, made it one round deeper, beat Humble (who won their district). Ozen lost to KW Park (who finished 2nd in that same district). Points don't matter. Kimball beat LaMarque by 15 or so in the final...so what? You didn't see them slip 6 or more spots like Nederland did, yet Ozen jumps (at least 14 spots)????

[quote name="Bobcat05" post="984150" timestamp="1300364248"] I'm surprised about Nederland, but they did lose pretty bad in regionals, but I thought they'd make the Top 25.  I figured Silsbee wouldn't stay Top 25, I doubt there are any teams that lose in the 2nd round to make the final ranking list. [/quote] Keep in mind that they lost to the (apparent) 3rd ranked team in the state. Does point differential really matter? Again, read my post above, allow it to sink in, and tell me how it's possible that anyone could come to that conclusion?

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="984074" timestamp="1300329365"] I have to question some these myself. [/quote] Who votes on these rankings? Coaches? AP?

Where the €£^#¥? Is Nederland? Ozen, #12, really? Let's review: Nederland ranked 18, 19th most of the season. Ozen not ranked in top 25 all season (unless it was early). Nederland beat Ozen TWICE! Nederland beat Humble who finished 1st in their district. Ozen lost to Kingwood Park who was 2nd in that same district. Nederland makes Reg tourney, makes it to 'Sweet 16'. Ozen loses one round earlier in round of 32. Can ANYONE please explain this absurdity? Who votes on this? Coaches? UIL? AP?

This is a COMPLETE joke! Ozen ranked and Nederland NOT????? They beat Ozen twice AND made it further in the playoffs! Who comes up with this ranking anyway?

[quote name="Scooter!" post="983178" timestamp="1300227373"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=81681.msg983154#msg983154 date=1300226504] What will Memorial look like next year? Do they have much coming back? [/quote]the freshman guard will be back. got a couple of Jrs coming back but i dont expect much next season from what was told to me. (meaning playoffs yet again but no deep run) [/quote] What happened to all of the PA talent that use to dominate SETX year after year after year? (and don't say they transferred to Nederland.) I miss the days of The Lincoln Bumblebees!  :-\

Great 'Header' Wagner!!!

Great 'Header' Wagner!!!

What will Memorial look like next year? Do they have much coming back?

Maybe Nederland will ACTUALLY get a  student/athlete transfer. It will be their 1st!  :o

[quote name="Scooter!" post="982644" timestamp="1300142833"] If Nederland slides some more money under the table to some of these Memorial kids heck yeah they win district back to back to back  :D :D :D :D [/quote] Oh wow, not this discussion again!!! ??? ???

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="982623" timestamp="1300139941"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=81681.msg982604#msg982604 date=1300138188] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=81681.msg982539#msg982539 date=1300130448] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=81681.msg982515#msg982515 date=1300127615] [quote author=ForeverADog link=topic=81681.msg982512#msg982512 date=1300126565] I predict Ned finds a way to win district again! [/quote]Not gonna hap'n, cap'n!  No Forney, Smith, or Cunninham = no district championship...   ;D ;D [/quote] [u]Not gonna happen[/u] or [b][u]You dont want it to happen[/u][/b]? ;) [/quote] After years and years of bad teams, it's difficult for anyone outside of Nederland who understand what is happening with Nederland basketball. Soulja doesn't realize the impact Coach E has on these kids. If they don't win district, they'll be a close 2nd. Does he think his Jags will win district...Ha! [/quote]I never said Central will win district.  But I just don't think Nederland will be wining either... ;) [/quote] I'm guessing U didn't think they would win district two years ago or last year either, correct? Something to consider...This Sophomore group has only lost 4 games in 4 years, while winning more than 90 games...not too shabby! I wouldn't count them out until you see them play.

[quote name="dogs1218" post="982539" timestamp="1300130448"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=81681.msg982515#msg982515 date=1300127615] [quote author=ForeverADog link=topic=81681.msg982512#msg982512 date=1300126565] I predict Ned finds a way to win district again! [/quote]Not gonna hap'n, cap'n!  No Forney, Smith, or Cunninham = no district championship...   ;D ;D [/quote] [u]Not gonna happen[/u] or [b][u]You dont want it to happen[/u][/b]? ;) [/quote] After years and years of bad teams, it's difficult for anyone outside of Nederland who understand what is happening with Nederland basketball. Soulja doesn't realize the impact Coach E has on these kids. If they don't win district, they'll be a close 2nd. Does he think his Jags will win district...Ha!

[quote name="dogs1218" post="980580" timestamp="1299777210"] [quote author=Pupmom link=topic=81364.msg980564#msg980564 date=1299776615] [[quote]color=red]I'm sorry, but I haven't seen one person blame Nederland's loss to Ball on anything other than that Ball was the better team.  Can someone [quote]point to any of these alleged posts that claim otherwise. The gripes about the assistant coaches all seemed to claim "Nederland would be even better if...."; Not "Nederland would have beat Ball if....".[/color][/quote][/quote]Then you obviously did not read the pages of the Final Nederland game where the Assistant Coach was blamed for the loss because he did not tell Coach the Smith had 3 fouls.  My posting was meant to say that Coach Kilchrist knows basketball and works hard for the program. I too would like to see coaches that are hired just for basketball.  Our Varsity football program has 13 coaches, as many as college teams have.  It is outrageous the amount of money and emphasis that is placed on football.  But, my point of the post was to say that Coach Kilchrist is a great man, and he does a great job.   Also, how do we have a STACKED freshmen team.  You have boys that have played basketball for years, and work great together. How does that become a stacked team?  You can not win unless you have a Coach that teaches them to respect one another, not to be ball hogs, and how to run the plays, and that is what Coach Kilchrist did.  Plus he helped coach Varsity, while teaching and Coaching at the Middle School as well. [/quote] With all respect to Kilchrist, That freshman team was the best in area before he started coaching them ;) Not saying he isnt a good coach, but he could have sat in his chair the whole game and told them to play 5-on-5 and man-to-man defense at the start, then not a another word except for subs when they got tired :D They still would win about as many games [/quote] Not true at all. Come on man, give credit where it is due! Did U forget the best Freshman player (Weisbrod) was on Varsity. Losing only one game to Ozen w/Ur best player on Varsity means the coach obviously did his job.

Isn't this post about 'PLAYER OF THE YEAR'? This is not about the 'Team of theYear' or 'MVP' of a team or district. There may be (as someone said) 20 players from the area who are better than any Evadale player. Doesn't mean that a player from Evadale can't be 'The Player of the Year'. I honestly don't know how 'Player of the Year' is defined. I don't know who deserves it, b/c I don't know what it means.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="979756" timestamp="1299633171"] Player of the years team had a 30-3 record and a 1st round bye. He averaged a double double. Who else did that? [/quote] Kelvin Smith-Nederland

[quote name="Versey Ledbetter" post="978843" timestamp="1299467361"] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=81275.msg978789#msg978789 date=1299459828] Well, now I'm confused.  Coach Neumann hired Coach English, but he doesn't want him to be successful?  That makes no sense.  And since he's been around, the baseball team has turned into a powerhouse (how long, btw, has he been AD.... I honestly don't know). And the comment about dictatorship, you will always ruffle feathers when you call the shots.  You got to come up with something more solid than "he's raised some hackles because of his dictatorship".  I'm sure Patton and Eisenhower managed to piss people off....... [/quote] Neumann hired English because had to.  English was a hometown kid, lived in Nederland, his wife and mother were employed by NISD, and English was the best young coach in the area.  English's success at Vidor and Nederland's complete lack of success in basketball was making Neumann look bad.  Everyone knew English wanted to come to Nederland and Neumann finally had to hire him.  But yes, even though he hired him, Neumann wanted English to fail.  Neumann does not want any other Nederland athletic team to outshine his football team.  The Nederland Athletic Dept succeeds in spite of Neumann not because of him. [/quote] U nailed it!

Trust me, it's more than just 'a few hackles'. Anyone who works in NISD or knows someone who does, they know exactly what I'm talking about. It's nothing new, this has been going on for years...

I just hope coach English sticks around long enough to coach my kid on varsity. 8) I doubt he will go anywhere, but you never know...

[quote name="football04" post="978712" timestamp="1299439735"] If you havn't noticed baseball has been making a name for itself since the mid ninety's when they where regular's in the region finals and had state tournament appearances, basketball is starting to because of Coach English who I believe was hired by our current AD. While we may disagree on some of the smaller issues I think our athletic department as a whole is in better shape than most of our district and is in the top tier of the region over all, but nothing is ever perfect and let's be glad Brian English is in charge of our basketball program, I know I am.  I also know that our football program was in the toilet when Coach Neumann got here and it is now one of the more respected programs in region 3, as is our AD. [/quote] I'm glad he's our coach too! Without him, Nederland would NOT have made the playoffs two years ago, they prob would have finished 3rd/4th last season in district, and prob 3rd this year-IMO. Since he IS the coach, we actually have a chance at district next year too-and that's with 0 returning starters and (most likely) only one senior starting next year. I know Nederland has been successful in baseball, soccer, track as well, but coaches from every sport (boys and girls) have constant issues with our AD. He may be respected in the region (from the outside), but he is a constant thorn in the side for the Nederland faithful. There seems to always be a contraversy, and I always hear people complain about his dictatorship.

We'll have a young (but talented) team for sure. Fontenot will probably be the only senior starting next year. English and Weisbrod will start too, leaving two positions up for grabs. IMO-Jameer and Jared are prob the other two who are likely to win the other two spots. Of course it also depends on who grows and develops between now and then-and who WANTS it! My biggest concern for the future is lack of height. Hopefully one of these kids will grow a few inches over the summer.

With so many seniors graduating, will Nederland still be the team to beat in district 20-4A for the 3rd year in a row?

Is this the official coaches' All-District team?

[quote name="football04" post="978560" timestamp="1299388287"] That was a shot at bulldogbacker for saying our assistant coach was mindless and stareing into space and another one at you abe for saying our AD was insecure and didn't want any other sports at Nederland to do good, I disagree with both statements, however I do agree we didn't play our best and Ball was better. [/quote] U can disagree w/me all day, but I'm not the only person who has this opinion. Not many peoplein Nederland are very fond of our AD mostly b/c he does what's best for football, not what's best for the overall athletic program. This has been obvious with just about every sport.

I would have never thought that possible at the HS level. I would not think it would ever happen in 4A or 5A though.