Honest Abe

[quote name="tappedout" post="958253" timestamp="1296519813"] I watched G-Ball in the Nederland tournament and there is no way that Nederland can hang with them. They don't have the big's to contain their big's. Come on people, get real they barely beat PNG. 20-4A is extremely weak this year. [/quote] U can't base an entire season based on one (rivalry) game! Come on, get real! They can't hang with them??? That's funny b/c Ned beat Ball last summer in a tournament... I'll b laughing at all of you when they surprise everyone except me!

[quote name="bullets13" post="958142" timestamp="1296508604"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=79384.msg957232#msg957232 date=1296319226] [quote author=cornhusker link=topic=79384.msg957225#msg957225 date=1296318390] No [/quote] A rather weak support (or lack of) statement there. How many games have U seen them play this year, and [b]have U seen the other 'top Dawgs' in the state??[/b][/quote] Nederland sure hasn't, and when they do, they'll probably lose.  They're going to have to beat at least 4 teams better than any on their schedule up to this point in order to win state.  They're a very good team in this area, but this area is way down in 4A/5A basketball this year. [/quote] That's not my question ; I did not claim that they have faced an echelon team other than Christian Life. My question is; Have YOU seen these other teams play personally? If not, then how do U know how they will match up? For instance, I watched G. Ball play in the Nederland Classic. Nederland matches up very well with them-so it's not crazy to say they can get out of their region...

[quote name="Scalp'em" post="957842" timestamp="1296449861"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=79456.msg957671#msg957671 date=1296416471] [quote author=Scalp'em link=topic=79456.msg957603#msg957603 date=1296401327] [b]Adults[/b] were on the court and mouthing just like the kids from both sides. I said both sides behaved poorly after the game. Nederland fans didn't clear off of the court for about 30 minutes after the game. What I meant by this is the PNG administration were the only ones trying to get thier fans out of the gym. Nederland administrators should've made thier fans leave once the mouthing started. Remember the game was at PNG. Grant it, there were alot of fans on both sides which made it hard to get any thing accomplished. Two players punched? Are you sure on that because I was next to the officer working the game and nobody said anything about that. [/quote] I am positive!  I spoke to both of the kids myself. Just b/c it wasn't reported to the officer doesn't mean it didn't happen. [/quote] Come on now, let a 17 or 18 year kid punch another in the back. There would've been an all out riot in there. I think you may be stretching things .a little. There may have been some shoving, but I don't think any punches were thrown. I'll ask coach Abel to look at his video since his son was still filming after the game. Heck, it might of been a Nederland fan punching him because they let PNG hang with them into the final second of the game ;D [/quote] I am NOT a kid making this up-I'm an adult who spoke to both kids. Why would I make this up? I'm not trying to start anything, just giving the facts. It seems though that y'all don't want to hear the truth?? Do U find it impossible that this happened.  It happened to 2 players who are smart enough not to retaliate against angry fans (kids) b/c their court got 'stormed' by a bunch of other students.  BTW-The adults did not 'storm' the court. They waited until it calmed down a bit b4 going out to properly congratulate the kids-the Nederland fans do that every game (regardless of who it's against or where it's played).

[quote name="Scalp'em" post="957603" timestamp="1296401327"] [b]Adults[/b] were on the court and mouthing just like the kids from both sides. I said both sides behaved poorly after the game. Nederland fans didn't clear off of the court for about 30 minutes after the game. What I meant by this is the PNG administration were the only ones trying to get thier fans out of the gym. Nederland administrators should've made thier fans leave once the mouthing started. Remember the game was at PNG. Grant it, there were alot of fans on both sides which made it hard to get any thing accomplished. Two players punched? Are you sure on that because I was next to the officer working the game and nobody said anything about that. [/quote] I am positive!  I spoke to both of the kids myself. Just b/c it wasn't reported to the officer doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[quote name="Scalp'em" post="957566" timestamp="1296373052"] I was at the game and walking my young kids out of the gym after the game. Both sides were mouthing off at each other. I think the NDN fans took offense because of the heated game and then afterwards students from the visiting school staying on the court mouthing. I guess I'm going to be a homer and say that if you win a game at somebody else's house, take the win and move on. There was no need to linger around and play the mouthing game with the team that lost. It went both ways, and it was parents involved also. The PNG administrators had to grab several Ned students and pull them away from the PNG side, they may have had to do the same with the PNG students, but I didn't see it. Some of the conduct I seen from both sides was a depressing end of a great game. Good luck to the Dogs and NDNS for the rest of the season. [/quote] Two Nederland players were punched in the back by either NDN fans or NDN players. Don't b a Homer here and think it was a one-sided ordeal. It was an emotional game and an emotional victory. U r suggesting the kids just say yeah, we won and walk off the court, fans (kids flooded the court immediately,  not adults) too???

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="956685" timestamp="1296258777"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=79305.msg956639#msg956639 date=1296254989] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=79305.msg955204#msg955204 date=1296071344] Of 10 or more games: Nederland       14 Kountze          14 Silsbee           12 Teams that have had win streaks of 10 or more this season: Hardin-Jefferson      13 Vidor                     12 Woodville               10 Teams currently on good runs of 10 or more games: Kountze has won 22 of their last 24 Nederland has won 20 of their last 22 Silsbee has won 19 of their last 20 HJ has won 16 of their last 17 West Sabine has won 12 of their last 13 East Chambers has won 10 of last 12 On a side note; Nederland's 4 Losses have ALL been against 5A Teams. Vidor won 19 of the first 20 games this season, but has since gone 1-5. [/quote] [/quote] And on a side note, Silsbee's two losses have come to 4A schools. To then #17 Ozen and to then #1 Galveston Ball. ;) [/quote] So....Nederland beat Ozen, Ozen beat Silsbee, yet Silsbee is #1 in the area and Nederland is #2????? I'm just sayin'....

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="957301" timestamp="1296328367"] [quote author=ForeverADog link=topic=79456.msg957284#msg957284 date=1296324670] To answer your question Soulja I would much rather have the other team score with the clock not moving because then I would have time to score. PNG would have had no advantage in OT. The crowd was 50 50. And Ned made a great comeback to get it to OT so they had the momentum. Plus when you have the ball you have more control. By playing sound defense for that minute at least gives you the ball or time to win. You play to win. PNG played not to lose. Also #12 for PNG deserves great respect. He played the game of his life. Very small but a great stroke and used his ball fakes to perfection. Nobody played harder than him. Finally how about that atmosphere? Coach English has a tape he showed us and still shows his players before every Ned PNG from when he was playing. He scored at the buzzer to beat PNG much like Kelvin just did but the game was at the Dog Dome and about 500 more fans sto rmed the court than last night. Its great motivation and glad to see the rivalry is finally back to where it was 30 years ago. Its been a long time since a basketball game has been that relevant in this rivalry. [/quote]Excuse my last post as it was done from the Cell Phone with the misspelled letters and punctuation errors. I had completely forget that PN-G led the entire game and Nederland grabbed momentum late.  I'm assuming that Nedeland had the momentum.  Now I can see the argument.  I'm normally for letting your team play defense, but in this case, I see why you would have forced the issue, ForeverADog .  But I also see what PN-G's coach was doing and it may have worked if they would have carried out the play as instructed.  I'm willing to bet that the PN-G coach, one of his last words during the last dead ball, was to 'please box out!'  Had they boxed out, I'm sure the Nederland players would have still went for the offensive rebound and it would have been called over the back foul, probably putting PN-G on the line to win the game.  BTW, was Nederland in the penalty at the end of the game? [/quote] #12 was AMAZING last night. That kid played his heart out! Nederland was not in the penalty.  Abel COULD have fouled with 3 secs or so, and Ned would have had to take the ball out of bounds.

[quote name="jacobmccandles" post="945331" timestamp="1294664436"] Can someone post career records of the above mentioned coaches.  Including trips to the playoffs. [/quote] English helped validate his elite status last night. Down the entire game to PN-G, English coached his team from a late 6 pt. Deficit (his son did help out a bit by draining back-to-back threes and a runner-8 strraight pts) to a last second put back by Kelvin Smith. Stalling the ball for 90 seconds was brilliant!! I say 90% of HS coaches lose that game-not English ...

[quote name="ballin4life" post="955984" timestamp="1296165589"] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=79163.msg955969#msg955969 date=1296164431] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=79163.msg955892#msg955892 date=1296158612] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=79163.msg954790#msg954790 date=1296014982] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=79163.msg954772#msg954772 date=1296013734] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=79163.msg953758#msg953758 date=1295881922] If you guys have not figured it out yet this is just a Silsbee fan looking to start more junk on this board.  SP is a great player and should be considered one of the best in the area and likely will be the best next season, but DC is the best player in the area this year, no questions about it. [/quote] K. Smith is in the top 5 in the area, and he deserves a mention. [/quote] I think if this kid would have played on the aau circuit he would be untouchable. Which one? I know 2 K-smith's.. Ned or Central? [/quote] Nederland. [/quote] Oh he is one of the best players in SETX easy  ;) Top 3 at least [/quote] [/quote] Kelvin Smith validated AGAIN last night that he is an echelon player in SETX! A game winning shot at the buzzer, 15 pts, 10 boards, and 3 blocks. Hands down MVP of district 20-4A!!

[quote name="cornhusker" post="957225" timestamp="1296318390"] No [/quote] A rather weak support (or lack of) statement there. How many games have U seen them play this year, and have U seen the other 'top Dawgs' in the state??

[quote name="pngpurple4ever" post="957208" timestamp="1296316429"] That was the most bone headed coaching decision I have ever seen. You have to go out and try to force a turnover, a bad shot, etc. Worst case is Ned. scores or shoots free throws. You still have plenty of time to score yourself. Letting Ned. get the last shot was plain STUPID!!!! [/quote] Have U ever coached at the High School level/or higher?? If not, then U have no right to comment on the coach. If U think U can do better, maybe U should get out there urself and see how 'easy' it is. I'm sure U would never make a 'bone headed coaching decision'. Come on man, how about some respect for the hard work and hours upon end coach Abel and others put in every season. Have U ever even played high school b-ball or higher??

[quote name="ispeakjive" post="957027" timestamp="1296276685"] I would love to see it, but state championship-caliber teams don't squeak out two point wins against PNG three weeks before the playoffs start.  They should make a nice run, but I don't think they are an elite team.  I can't see them beating the upper echelon teams from this region at this point.  Hopefully they prove me wrong. [/quote] I'm guessing U didn't see them play against Christian Life in the Nederland Classic?? If you've only seen a few games this year, you're missing the boat...

[quote name="badndn" post="957013" timestamp="1296275910"] After seeing them tonight, an emphatic NO!!!! Good team, not great. Great teams win state! Name the last good team to win state in Basketball. [/quote] Their entire season cannot be judged by ONE rivalry game!!!

[quote name="badndn" post="957066" timestamp="1296278581"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=79456.msg957043#msg957043 date=1296277633]They r kids! If the fans acted that way and made fun of the kids, then shame on them. But I think it was the students (as U mentioned) who were inappropriate.  Welcome to a Ned/PN-G matchup. It's been like this for what 40 yrs?? [/quote] Same can be said about the "Fagot" comment by the PNG "KID" which is what started this all. Remember a Dog fan lumped all PNG fans in as "SORE LOOSERS" because of one kid. I agree with you, kids do stupid stuff all the time! And no Ned/PNG matchups have not been like this for 40 years...This may have been the first time ever that a PNG/Ned basketball game was relevent in the SE TX basketball scene. ;D I was referring to the rivalry in general- not just b-ball. Thhe kids have always been rude and obnoxious on both sides! I did not hear either side say anything rude, but then again, there were tons of peeps there and I was nowhere near the kiddos on either side. Sorry if ur dtr waswas offended. Remind her that they r just immature kids... [quote author=Nederland B-Dog Fan link=topic=79456.msg957056#msg957056 date=1296278347] Congrats dogs for the victory! I didn't hear what PNG fans said about our freshman but I was sitting next to our student section and they just chanted "West is Best" not Indianettes suck. Nederland vs PNG never seens to dissapoint in any sport [/quote] My daughter is an Indianette. She told me that they didn't chant it, but  many of them said it while they lined up. [/quote]

[quote name="badndn" post="957024" timestamp="1296276600"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=79456.msg957014#msg957014 date=1296276085]Wow! Sounds like someone's a sore loser. If PN-G would have won I bet U would not have mentioned that?? It WAS a great game, but let's not overshadow what happened by talking about what the kids did in the stands. How about let's stay focused on the kids on the floor?? [/quote] Wrong. Not a sore looser at all, the better team won. Nederland made big shots down the stretch, PNG didn't. Nothing to be sore about. Hade zero intentions of mentioning it until Nederland fans began calling PNG fans sore loosers. There is such a thing as a SORE WINNER. I got friends from Nederland who said the same thing about the end of the game antics by the students. [/quote] They r kids! If the fans acted that way and made fun of the kids, then shame on them. But I think it was the students (as U mentioned) who were inappropriate.  Welcome to a Ned/PN-G matchup. It's been like this for what 40 yrs??

[quote name="badndn" post="957001" timestamp="1296275530"] [quote author=juggie link=topic=79456.msg956941#msg956941 date=1296272319] The PNG fan show bad sportmanship calling our freshman a fagget.Sound like to me somebody jealous.Well look like to me that he put a good impression on them at least now they know who he is .He will make them pay for that. PNG will have 3 years of putting up with him.They are sore loser [/quote] Since you went there... But it was OK for Nederland fans (students) to chant "West is Best", "Indianettes Suck" and shout obsenities while our Indianettes did their halftime dance? How about rushing the PNG court after the game like they had just beaten Yates in the Regional title game? I mean come on already. It was a nice win over a big rival who is now 10-12 and 4-5. Be respectful and you will get respect!!!PERIOD. Great game! As someone else said, money well spent. Congrats to the Dogs. Wow! Sounds like someone's a sore loser. If PN-G would have won I bet U would not have mentioned that?? It WAS a great game, but let's not overshadow what happened by talking about what the kids did in the stands. How about let's stay focused on the kids on the floor?? [/quote]

[quote name="ShlyKBMT" post="956946" timestamp="1296272512"] Never right to call anybody that. But Ned used to chant that at Brandon Arceneaux back when I was in high school. Great game. I hate there's no shot clock in HS ball but PN-G did the right thing by staying back they just didn't box out. Dogs keep finding ways to win period. [/quote] WRONG!!! That was the worst coaching job i've seen in a while. Why would u wait to let the other team have the last shot? At worse, Ned scores, take the ball down and score urself or kill a 3 ball for the 'W'. Did they really just stand there for 90 secs and wait for Ned to attack? WOW!!!

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="956720" timestamp="1296261157"] 20-4A District Game [/quote] 13-8 PN-G after 1stQ

[quote name="jumpstop" post="956094" timestamp="1296174496"] IMHO, Tournament games- Casual (windsuits, jumpsuits, coaching gear) Non District- Coaching polo and khakis District - Dress up (Slacks, button ups, tie, vest, etc.) [/quote] although a 'jumpstop' is travelling (except in NBA rules), I think U nailed it. Show class, and be an example for Ur kids who U coach. It's not a bad idea for the kids to dress nicelt for district games too...

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="955686" timestamp="1296140589"] [quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=78647.msg946995#msg946995 date=1294867651] Why cant the Silsbee HJ rivalry be called.....Hardin County Havok...... ;D....it is turning out to be that passionate...let me hear your ideas [/quote]I predict it may soon come to past. HF is coming up ;) [/quote] anyone know how many people will fit in Nederland or PN-G's gyms? The Reservation should be SRO tonight since Ned is in 1st and PN-G is in 4t in district play.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="955204" timestamp="1296071344"] Of 10 or more games: Nederland       14 Kountze          14 Silsbee           12 Teams that have had win streaks of 10 or more this season: Hardin-Jefferson      13 Vidor                     12 Woodville               10 Teams currently on good runs of 10 or more games: Kountze has won 22 of their last 24 Nederland has won 20 of their last 22 Silsbee has won 19 of their last 20 HJ has won 16 of their last 17 West Sabine has won 12 of their last 13 East Chambers has won 10 of last 12 On a side note; Nederland's 4 Losses have ALL been against 5A Teams. Vidor won 19 of the first 20 games this season, but has since gone 1-5. [/quote]

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="956558" timestamp="1296246079"] Do you see what having dominant bigs in the middle will do for you?  Both are 6'5" and both have moves down low and play good defense.  If you can consistant medeocre games from the guards, this team will not go down easy for Yates, Ball (they know who Nederland is already), or LaMarque... [/quote] I said it a couple of months ago: 'Bigs' win District Championships, guards win U state titles! I agree w/Ur remarks about the matchup not being in favor of Nederland. The guards for Yates r too quick for Nederland's guards. I will disagree with U regarding Ball. I watched Ball play twice this year. They're impressive,  but beatable. Ball and Nederland played the same team (Houston Christian Life) in the Ned Tourney. Ball beat them by 3, and Nederland lost by 8. Christian Life is 'STACKED'! Nederland matches up better w/Ball than they do w/Yates. I have not seen LaMarque play yet. What is their strenghts??

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="956178" timestamp="1296185465"] [quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=79359.msg956163#msg956163 date=1296182372] If a kid is good, or thinks he is good, he needs to participate in the AAU circuit. Maybe he will find out he is not as good as he thinks. If he is good in AAU he will get recognition. College scouts attend many of the AAU tournaments, and many of the younger kids are followed by college scouts throughout their AAU years. A kid has to consistently compete against the best to be considered as one of the best. AAU provides this forum. [/quote]Yep! But I gotta give it to English, he brings his boys to the Big Dogs and let them get their feet wet on the circuit. [/quote] you are correct! He finds tournaments for his kids to compete in all summer long. His season does not start in August when school starts. It starts the day after the end of the season and he doesn't stop. The reason recruiters now about his kids is b/c he brings them to places where they can be seen. He also brought in MAJOR competition to the Nederland Classic this yr.

[quote name="dogs1218" post="956302" timestamp="1296226239"] If they make it out of Region 3, then they have a great chance.. But Nederland will have to go through LaMarque and/or G-ball and/or Yates... Tough road to get there, but it can be done.. They a better chance than a lot of other 4A teams out there, not just our region  :D [/quote] you nailed it! That will be their toughest road. Can they do it?? YES! Will they do it?? It will take a lot of good fortune and playing really good together- which they are obviously doing right now...

[quote name="dogs1218" post="954790" timestamp="1296014982"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=79163.msg954772#msg954772 date=1296013734] [quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=79163.msg953758#msg953758 date=1295881922] If you guys have not figured it out yet this is just a Silsbee fan looking to start more junk on this board.  SP is a great player and should be considered one of the best in the area and likely will be the best next season, but DC is the best player in the area this year, no questions about it. [/quote] K. Smith is in the top 5 in the area, and he deserves a mention. [/quote] Which one? I know 2 K-smith's.. Ned or Central? [/quote] Nederland.