Honest Abe

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1424380" timestamp="1376542517"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1424358#msg1424358 date=1376534348] [quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1424343#msg1424343 date=1376530998] There is no way Nederland should ever be able to play Central/Ozen a Man 2 Man.  Hats off to Coach English, he has those kids believing & playing well above their levels at times.  I don't expect Nederland to be within 15 pts in either game this Season vs Central.  Although that's why they play the GAME. JMO [/quote]They've played a man D vs them for the past 4 years (at least). In those 4 years, Nederland is 11-7 vs Ozen and Central. Why should Nederland not be able to play man D against either Beaumont school? 15 points? When is the last time Central beat Nederland by 15? Hint: It's been at least 5 years. [/quote] Isn't Central 5-1 versus Nederland the last two seasons? [/quote][quote author=Yeoj link=topic=113177.msg1424380#msg1424380 date=1376542517] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1424358#msg1424358 date=1376534348] [quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1424343#msg1424343 date=1376530998] There is no way Nederland should ever be able to play Central/Ozen a Man 2 Man.  Hats off to Coach English, he has those kids believing & playing well above their levels at times.  I don't expect Nederland to be within 15 pts in either game this Season vs Central.  Although that's why they play the GAME. JMO [/quote]They've played a man D vs them for the past 4 years (at least). In those 4 years, Nederland is 11-7 vs Ozen and Central. Why should Nederland not be able to play man D against either Beaumont school? 15 points? When is the last time Central beat Nederland by 15? Hint: It's been at least 5 years. [/quote] Isn't Central 5-1 versus Nederland the last two seasons? [/quote]Yes. I forgot the tournament game from 2 years ago. So 11-8, not 11-7. 

[quote name="Bigcam2903" post="1424361" timestamp="1376535189"] Abe if you would have throughly read the post, that wasn't a JAB a Nederland by no means, but since you want to stick your Chest out.... I said there is no way they should be within 15pts with the caliber of players @ Central & Ozen. Again, not a knock on Coach English at all. He truly is Amazing, but let's not kid ourselves Abe. Trying to keep the gloves on Buddy. Mighty Bumblebees!!!! [/quote]Haha. If you knew me, you would know that I AM a fighter! I didn't see your post as knocking Coach E. I saw it as you don't think that kids in Nederland should be within 15 points of Bmt schools bc they are less talented or gifted. I did not see any supporting evidence in your post (or any from previous posts) which allude to your assessment. You have made many posts stating that the district crown is back in Bmt where it should be, etc. Nobody acknowledged Dogs1218 question the other day with any substance. The basketball talent in Nederland is no better than it was 10, 15, 20 years ago. The reason Bmt schools use to beat Nederland by 20, 30, 40 points easily is bc the kids didn't care enough to reach their potential. Kids in Bmt played bball year round while kids in Nederland only played for 4 months of the year. During the offseason, MANY kids never picked up a basketball more than once a month. That has now changed bc the bball kids in Nederland now play year round. JMHO

[quote name="Bigcam2903" post="1424343" timestamp="1376530998"] There is no way Nederland should ever be able to play Central/Ozen a Man 2 Man.  Hats off to Coach English, he has those kids believing & playing well above their levels at times.  I don't expect Nederland to be within 15 pts in either game this Season vs Central.  Although that's why they play the GAME. JMO [/quote]They've played a man D vs them for the past 4 years (at least). In those 4 years, Nederland is 11-7 vs Ozen and Central. Why should Nederland not be able to play man D against either Beaumont school? 15 points? When is the last time Central beat Nederland by 15? Hint: It's been at least 5 years.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1424316" timestamp="1376525379"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1424294#msg1424294 date=1376520509] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424184#msg1424184 date=1376499708] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1424167#msg1424167 date=1376497141] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424165#msg1424165 date=1376496668] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424116#msg1424116 date=1376486644] [quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1423980#msg1423980 date=1376433002] I really think who protects the basket & rebounds best wins both games. Toe will be a man amongst boys, Ozen's guards can score and penetrate with the best. It wlll be a great Chess match.  Go Panthers!!! [/quote]Good analysis! [/quote] 1. Central used their AGGRESSIVE offensive board play to get second and third shots to score. [/quote]Plus, Central does not take many low percentage shots (referring to 3-pointers). I would guess they attempted less than 5 (combined) in the two district games we played them. [/quote]So Honest Abe,[color=red] knowing[/color] that you are such an honest person  ::) , what game plan would you use if you were the coach? And if your plan don't work, I'll see in December to further our conversation.  ;) [/quote]How dare you question my character! ;D I would play a soft zone to force the Jags to shoot from outside, then use fundamentals and BLOCK OUT!! [/quote]2-3 zone? [/quote]Because of Central's size, a 2-3 SHOULD work best. But if the guards are able to penetrate it, go to a 1-2-2. However, if the kids don't rotate properly help, and block out, it could be a disaster. English rarely plays zone though. He prefers to play man.

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1424217" timestamp="1376502747"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424196#msg1424196 date=1376500749] [quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=113177.msg1424188#msg1424188 date=1376499941] I don't remember Central shooting well against Ned, they just got rebound after rebound after rebound. Central killed Ned on the boards. Their inability to shoot well probably led to their early departure in the playoffs. [/quote]The information that I was given from a very reliable contact is that Central was severely outcoached in that game...  Also, if I'm not mistaken, the team, Georgetown, made it pretty far in last years playoffs.  Didn't they make it to the regional simi's? [/quote] I think they did make it that far. Georgetown beat Central leaving them wondering how that happened. Then the next wk they beat Ned leaving us wondering how that happened. They were well coached and very disciplined. Played good defense. Georgetown proved you don't have to be the tallest or most athletic to win big games. They were VERY similar I thought to Ned with their players and coach. [/quote]They were well coached bc they had 4 assistant coaches! I think that's what made them so good.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1424184" timestamp="1376499708"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1424167#msg1424167 date=1376497141] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1424165#msg1424165 date=1376496668] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424116#msg1424116 date=1376486644] [quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1423980#msg1423980 date=1376433002] I really think who protects the basket & rebounds best wins both games. Toe will be a man amongst boys, Ozen's guards can score and penetrate with the best. It wlll be a great Chess match.  Go Panthers!!! [/quote]Good analysis! [/quote] 1. Central used their AGGRESSIVE offensive board play to get second and third shots to score. [/quote]Plus, Central does not take many low percentage shots (referring to 3-pointers). I would guess they attempted less than 5 (combined) in the two district games we played them. [/quote]So Honest Abe,[color=red] knowing[/color] that you are such an honest person  ::) , what game plan would you use if you were the coach? And if your plan don't work, I'll see in December to further our conversation.  ;) [/quote]How dare you question my character! ;D I would play a soft zone to force the Jags to shoot from outside, then use fundamentals and BLOCK OUT!!

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1424165" timestamp="1376496668"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1424116#msg1424116 date=1376486644] [quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1423980#msg1423980 date=1376433002] I really think who protects the basket & rebounds best wins both games. Toe will be a man amongst boys, Ozen's guards can score and penetrate with the best. It wlll be a great Chess match.  Go Panthers!!! [/quote]Good analysis! [/quote] 1. Central used their AGGRESSIVE offensive board play to get second and third shots to score. [/quote]Plus, Central does not take many low percentage shots (referring to 3-pointers). I would guess they attempted less than 5 (combined) in the two district games we played them.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1423914" timestamp="1376416835"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=113177.msg1423910#msg1423910 date=1376416667] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=113177.msg1423884#msg1423884 date=1376412241] [quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=113177.msg1423874#msg1423874 date=1376410381] I agree Central has good guard play, not in the same class as Ozen, sort of like comparing our Post to Toe  ::) 8) [b]JMO Soulja. To put my $$ where my mouth is, I'll owe you a hotdog and a juicebox from concessions @ first meeting[/b][/quote]No way you'll sucker me in.  When that Hunter kid gets going, it's hard for anyone to beat Ozen.  ;D [/quote] Will Central be adequate in the SWRJ area? [/quote]Don't know about SMRJ, but the Dunk -o- meter's readings will be off the charts, for whatever that's worth... [/quote]Last I checked, dunks are still only WORTH 2 points. ;D

[quote name="Law Dog" post="1423199" timestamp="1376112990"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1422935#msg1422935 date=1376057508] [quote author=JRidge link=topic=113177.msg1422924#msg1422924 date=1376056598] Reliable sources says Toe-Toe will be a Jag this season! Good for Central's playoff run! They should be very good again this year! Ozen should also be very good and balanced with good ball handlers, shooters and deapth on the blocks! It's funny how now-a-days there would be a conversation of whether these schools could beat Nederland for a District Title? They have some good players and a good head Coach but has Central & Ozen kids/coaches fallin' off that much? When I played it was an automatic 20 to 30 point victory because we played hard, smart, did what we were told to do and simply refused to loose! Oh, I get it the rolls have reversed, it's not all about atheleticism because Central & Ozen definetly have that! Seriosly though, if these players mindset and work-ethic change the only conversation for 20-4a District would be who will be the 3rd & 4th playoff teams after Central & Ozen! Jumping doesn't assure rebounds as much as blocking-out! [/quote]If Toe-Toe stays, I predict that Central will run the table in district. If not, it's anybody's crown to win. Don't want it give ALL of the credit to Coach English, BUT he did the same thing in Vidor that he has done here in Nederland. Vidor never had a winning record before E arrived, and I don't believe they've had one since he left. Nederland's Bball program use to last 4-5 months. Now it's a 12 month program. The kids are motivated by him to practice/play year round. I don't think the kids are THAT much different/better/more talented than they use to be. They just believe they can win through his guidance, motivation, coaching, and leadership. Another strong class of kids (Sophomore group) will hopefully continue that competitiveness. They have the ability, but I'm not sure if they have the focus or drive, YET! It's too early to tell. [/quote] I'm not sure that I really understand your focus and drive comment.  The core of that group has played together almost year round for at least the past three to four years.  To call them gym rats would be an understatement.  Most of them don't even play other sports.  Plus this is the same group that routinely played and beat quality JV teams last season as freshmen.  Question their experience on varsity all you want, but I think it's misplaced to question their focus and drive.  And no, I do not have a kid in the program - I just don't understand your analysis. And I would give all of the credit for the current state of the program to Coach English.  The kids can take credit for their individual play, but Brian English is that program.  Ned basketball was an afterthought before he arrived.  He has cultivated and grown the talent base.  If / when he leaves it will likely wither to next to nothing again, just like Vidor did. [/quote]I'm aware of their accolades from last season. I'm aware that they have worked hard (up to this point). I've watched plenty of kids who were good ball players during their Freshman/Soph seasons, but they fizzled out. My point being, they must continue to stay focus and work hard throughout their time in HS. They have received a lot of praise in the community AND on this message board (I'm one of the praisers). In order for them to reach their maximum potential, they must stay hungry. They must continue working hard. Some kids have that drive, determination, and focus, but  others don't. A lot can happen in the next 3 years. We will only find out when their HS days are behind them. Hope that is more clear. 8)

[quote name="JRidge" post="1422924" timestamp="1376056598"] Reliable sources says Toe-Toe will be a Jag this season! Good for Central's playoff run! They should be very good again this year! Ozen should also be very good and balanced with good ball handlers, shooters and deapth on the blocks! It's funny how now-a-days there would be a conversation of whether these schools could beat Nederland for a District Title? They have some good players and a good head Coach but has Central & Ozen kids/coaches fallin' off that much? When I played it was an automatic 20 to 30 point victory because we played hard, smart, did what we were told to do and simply refused to loose! Oh, I get it the rolls have reversed, it's not all about atheleticism because Central & Ozen definetly have that! Seriosly though, if these players mindset and work-ethic change the only conversation for 20-4a District would be who will be the 3rd & 4th playoff teams after Central & Ozen! Jumping doesn't assure rebounds as much as blocking-out! [/quote]If Toe-Toe stays, I predict that Central will run the table in district. If not, it's anybody's crown to win. Don't want it give ALL of the credit to Coach English, BUT he did the same thing in Vidor that he has done here in Nederland. Vidor never had a winning record before E arrived, and I don't believe they've had one since he left. Nederland's Bball program use to last 4-5 months. Now it's a 12 month program. The kids are motivated by him to practice/play year round. I don't think the kids are THAT much different/better/more talented than they use to be. They just believe they can win through his guidance, motivation, coaching, and leadership. Another strong class of kids (Sophomore group) will hopefully continue that competitiveness. They have the ability, but I'm not sure if they have the focus or drive, YET! It's too early to tell.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1422137" timestamp="1375889949"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1422125#msg1422125 date=1375888801] [quote author=BEARCAT link=topic=113177.msg1422121#msg1422121 date=1375888107] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1422109#msg1422109 date=1375886903] [quote author=BEARCAT link=topic=113177.msg1422084#msg1422084 date=1375882309] LCM is returning 3 all district players and 6 to 7 seniors.  They should be the favorite for the 4th spot.  If they can take care of the ball and cut down on the turnovers I think they could suprise some people and maybe finish in 3rd. [/quote] You meant 4th, right?  Or do you seriously expect to beat out Nederland this year? Didn't realize you guys had 6-7 seniors this year. It could be possible. [/quote] Does that mean you have Central and Ozen automatically sloted for 1 and 2?  :) Getting a win against Ned. at home would be an upset but I think we have a shot.  Got to have goals right? [/quote]Over the past few seasons, LCM has come close to defeating both Ned and Central. The Bear Den is no easy place to win. Having so much experience should help even more. Ned will be young this year as far as varsity Experience goes. Only one starter, and I believe 4 or 5 returning Lettermen. [/quote] ::) Beginning to sound like " those people " over in Sour Lake. Setting it up for the excuses in case expectations are not met. Good strategy. [/quote]Learned that from an Ozen supporter from last season. If I remember correctly, I remember this Ozen supporter stating that Ozen was young, inexperienced, and had a lot to prove. Now...who could that poster from Ozen be?? ;D

[quote name="BEARCAT" post="1422121" timestamp="1375888107"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1422109#msg1422109 date=1375886903] [quote author=BEARCAT link=topic=113177.msg1422084#msg1422084 date=1375882309] LCM is returning 3 all district players and 6 to 7 seniors.  They should be the favorite for the 4th spot.  If they can take care of the ball and cut down on the turnovers I think they could suprise some people and maybe finish in 3rd. [/quote] You meant 4th, right?  Or do you seriously expect to beat out Nederland this year? Didn't realize you guys had 6-7 seniors this year. It could be possible. [/quote] Does that mean you have Central and Ozen automatically sloted for 1 and 2?  :) Getting a win against Ned. at home would be an upset but I think we have a shot.  Got to have goals right? [/quote]Over the past few seasons, LCM has come close to defeating both Ned and Central. The Bear Den is no easy place to win. Having so much experience should help even more. Ned will be young this year as far as varsity Experience goes. Only one starter, and I believe 4 or 5 returning Lettermen.

[quote name="BIG SHOW" post="1421833" timestamp="1375809774"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1421828#msg1421828 date=1375809226] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1421811#msg1421811 date=1375806963] All the schools mentioned will do fine. They will all have winning records. They will all make playoffs. The real question is, do these teams have what it take to make it to regionals and be successful??? [/quote]Agree. Not sure how stacked the region is this year, but I would guess that it's not too stacked to where one of these teams makes the Regional Tourney. Will any of them advance and go to state? Depends on the matchups in the playoffs. We don't know who each team will face in the post season. The post season is too far away, and there is too many 'unknowns' out there to discuss who will make it to state from this region. This thread is mainly for bragging purposes. It will be another close race to see who wins the district title. I don't think there is much question of the top three teams. Is there any other teams in the district who may make some noise? [/quote] I think it could be a battle for the 4th spot between LCM,Lumberton and Vidor.  I think Lumberton will end up with the final spot in the playoffs. [/quote]PNG has made the playoffs 2 of the past 3 years. I wouldn't count them out.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1421811" timestamp="1375806963"] All the schools mentioned will do fine. They will all have winning records. They will all make playoffs. The real question is, do these teams have what it take to make it to regionals and be successful??? [/quote]Agree. Not sure how stacked the region is this year, but I would guess that it's not too stacked to where one of these teams makes the Regional Tourney. Will any of them advance and go to state? Depends on the matchups in the playoffs. We don't know who each team will face in the post season. The post season is too far away, and there is too many 'unknowns' out there to discuss who will make it to state from this region. This thread is mainly for bragging purposes. It will be another close race to see who wins the district title. I don't think there is much question of the top three teams. Is there any other teams in the district who may make some noise?

[quote name="txbuick69" post="1421804" timestamp="1375806180"] CENTRAL WILL BE GOOD...NIJAL PEARSON IS A BEAST....THEY WILL BE FINE[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1421788#msg1421788 date=1375804769] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=113177.msg1421744#msg1421744 date=1375801076] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1421727#msg1421727 date=1375797346] Going into this season, I believe MOST of us would have agreed that Central would repeat as district champs. However, with Wileridge leaving (presumably), I think the district is wide open for either Ozen or Nederland to win the crown. I think Central is still the favorite, but Toe-Toe will be hard to replace. What do you think? [/quote]First thing first:  [color=pink] 20-4A District Champs 2010-2012 Bi-District Champs 2010-2013 Area Champs 2010-2013 Regional Semi-Finalist 2011[/color]    [/quote]::) can we not EVER have a half-way serious conversation!! ;D [/quote] [/quote]I agree; Pearson IS a beast, and I believe Central will be fine too. But I don't think Central will dominate as they would have if Toe-Toe was still there. Again, I don't know for sure if he is leaving. If he stays a Jag, then Central is the clear favorite to repeat as district champs. If not, I think it is wide open for the taking.

[quote name="BIG SHOW" post="1421750" timestamp="1375801478"] This is the first i've heard of Wileridge leaving... I am guessing he's going to a big private school like Oak Hill Acedemy? Is this True? If so, good for him.  I think that's the same road Steven Jackson (PA) took and it worked out pretty well for him.  There's not doubt Central will be a different team without Wileridge and it would bring Nederland and Ozen in the mix to compete for district.... Only time will tell. [/quote]there was a thread about it, but it may have been erased with the recent issues with the server that SETXSPORTS uses.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1421744" timestamp="1375801076"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1421727#msg1421727 date=1375797346] Going into this season, I believe MOST of us would have agreed that Central would repeat as district champs. However, with Wileridge leaving (presumably), I think the district is wide open for either Ozen or Nederland to win the crown. I think Central is still the favorite, but Toe-Toe will be hard to replace. What do you think? [/quote]First thing first:  [color=pink] 20-4A District Champs 2010-2012 Bi-District Champs 2010-2013 Area Champs 2010-2013 Regional Semi-Finalist 2011[/color]    [/quote]::) can we not EVER have a half-way serious conversation!! ;D

[quote name="$MTC-28$" post="1421749" timestamp="1375801434"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=113177.msg1421738#msg1421738 date=1375800504] [quote author=$MTC-28$ link=topic=113177.msg1421729#msg1421729 date=1375798174] Vidor wins it all and goes to state!!!!!!!!! 8) [/quote]You DO know that this is NOT the football forum, right? ;) [/quote] yes i do thank you abe.  8) [/quote]just messin witcha.

[quote name="$MTC-28$" post="1421729" timestamp="1375798174"] Vidor wins it all and goes to state!!!!!!!!! 8) [/quote]You DO know that this is NOT the football forum, right? ;)

Going into this season, I believe MOST of us would have agreed that Central would repeat as district champs. However, with Wileridge leaving (presumably), I think the district is wide open for either Ozen or Nederland to win the crown. I think Central is still the favorite, but Toe-Toe will be hard to replace. What do you think?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1421454" timestamp="1375721401"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=112733.msg1421404#msg1421404 date=1375715129] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=112733.msg1421402#msg1421402 date=1375714960] Sure, every pre-season we hear the same ol' song/dance routine about how yall don't expect the team to be good this year. 'We'll be lucky if we can beat Bridge City this year!"  ;D [/quote] And that is what you consider "cocky"? [/quote]For you people? Yes!!!  ;) [/quote]Oh no, not 'you people' again!

WO-S 1987 Defense was legit! 79 total points allowed, only two teams scored double digits, 5 shutouts. 15-0 State Champs. [Hidden Content]

[quote name="smooth" post="1416611" timestamp="1372342098"] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=112733.msg1416567#msg1416567 date=1372305150] Given the district they are in, they always get to contend ;) [/quote] Nederland would have finished 4th in that 3A district last year :) [/quote]Interesting assessment. Here are the facts: HJ beat Ned last year. Ned went 2-0 against WOS. Ned went 2-0 against Silsbee. ;) Back on topic: HJ (as always) will be fine next year. They will definitely make the playoffs, and I don't think anyone would be surprised if they finish 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. An OLD friend (BD3) once said-it doesn't matter where you finish in district, it's what happens in THE REAL SEASON (playoffs)!

No!

[quote name="PaBees" post="1414462" timestamp="1371616516"] Nederland guys...your world's greatest coach had the ball with 2 seconds left, calls timeout, draws up a play, and manages to lose in regulation?  That would NEVER happen to Coach Lee at Central. [/quote]You're right PaBees. It's his fault that a bad pass was made, and Jakobi stole the pass, and was falling out of bounds when he threw up a prayer that was answered. Completely the coach's fault. ::)