Honest Abe

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1393184" timestamp="1365599640"] Thrilled that you have graduated and moved on to the next level  ;D [color=pink]20-4A District Champs 2010-2012 Bi-District Champs 2010-2013 Area Champs 2010-2013 Regional Semi-Finalist 2011[/color] [/quote];D

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1392916" timestamp="1365548632"] How old are you? You in the same grade as him?  :-[ [/quote]She did quote Whitney AND Britney; two classy women! 8)

Congratulations to Zach English who accepted a full scholarship to play basketball at John Brown University in NW Arkansas!! JBU is a private school located in Siloam Springs, AR. JBU is an NAIA school which competes in the Sooner Athletic Conference. JBU won a National Championship in 2005, and has reached the National Championship tourney 7 times in the last 11 years! Zach was offered scholarships from 4 Universities from schools located in Texas, Florida, and Arkansas. JBU was the last school Zach visited, and he felt this was the best 'fit' for him.  [Hidden Content] 2013 Post-Season Quick Facts Set a program-record by notching 27 regular season victories en route to its first-ever Sooner Athletic Conference regular season championship...Featured in two NAIA National Game of the Week matchups against Oklahoma Baptist, finishing 1-1 against the Bison...Won an impressive five of seven contests against top-25 competition...Holds eight top-10 rankings in team categories including No. 1 in three-point field goal percentage (39.6), No. 3 in total three-point field goals made (335) and No. 3 in three-point field goals made per game (10.15)...Netted four All-Conference selections: Coleson Rakestraw (first team), Abel Galliguez (second team), E.J. McWoods (honorable mention) and Max Hopfgartner (honorable mention)...Features the 2013 SAC Freshman of the Year, Kofi Josephs, and SAC Coach of the Year, Clark Sheehy...Landed a winning streak of seven or more games three separate times, including an 8-0 start to the season... National Tournament History John Brown is making its third appearance in four years in Kansas City and its seventh all-time...Last season, the Golden Eagles were ousted in the first round by Montana - Western, losing 85-83 in overtime...In 2010, JBU earned wins over McKendree (Ill.) in the first round before bouncing Fresno Pacific (Calif.) in the second round, eventually falling to Southern Poly (Ga.) in the quarterfinals...In 2006, the Golden Eagles fell in the opening round to sixth-ranked Azusa Pacific (Calif.), one year after ousting the Cougars in the 2005 National Championship game...In 2005, John Brown pieced together an unprecedented five-game stretch en route to its only national championship, downing Union (Tenn.), Louisiana State at Shreveport, Biola (Calif.), Carroll (Mont.) and Azusa Pacific in consecutive fashion after winning five of its last six games entering the tournament with its only loss coming in the SAC tournament title game to Oklahoma Baptist...In 2004, JBU dispatched eventual NCAA I member Houston Baptist (Texas) in the first round only to come up short in the second round against Concordia - Irvine (Calif.)...The Golden Eagles won its first-ever game at Kansas City in 2003, besting seventh-seeded Azusa Pacific in the opening round before falling in a close contest to Olivet Nazarene (Ill.) in the second round...John Brown boasts a 10-6 all-time record in seven appearances at the National Tournament, holding a 62.5 win percentage and is the only institution from the state of Arkansas to win a title in Kansas City...

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1392383" timestamp="1365429734"] Were there any special "player acquisition programs" back then? [/quote]The article said that most of the team grew up together and went to middle school together. How times have changed...

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That charge called against Syracuse in the last minute was awful! Can't move in front of the offensive player after he starts his jump. Still can't figure out why Syracuse attempted a '2' after Michigan only made one FT. The Orange needed a '3', and there was not much time on the clock.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1391675" timestamp="1365183066"] [color=pink]Bi-District Champs 2010-2013 Area Champs 2010-2013 Regional Semi-Finalist 2011[/color] Just shaking my head. On a sinking ship and ain't willing to swim with the rats to fadeee away. [/quote]Wishful thinking. No sinking going on down here.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1391664" timestamp="1365181454"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110519.msg1391653#msg1391653 date=1365179902] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=110519.msg1391641#msg1391641 date=1365177568] Aaaah, yes.... Coaching... (how did I know that was coming up?) Abe, I was looking for him to answer, because my rebuttal would have been a follow up question,' does Vidor basketball have this X factor?' [/quote]Of course, Coach Lee looked like a genius against us this past year. Next year he won't be able to do the same. ;) [/quote]Oh Lawdy! One or two transfers and they think dey back in da hunt agin!!!smh [color=pink]20-4A District Champs 2010-2012 Bi-District Champs 2010-2013 Area Champs 2010-2013 Regional Semi-Finalist 2011[/color] [/quote]When wuz we ever out of da hunt? We just gonna reload. Plenty of Ballers who can go! That's how we will be different next year. Not just 2 guys who can score consistently. We will have more weapons.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1391641" timestamp="1365177568"] Aaaah, yes.... Coaching... (how did I know that was coming up?) Abe, I was looking for him to answer, because my rebuttal would have been a follow up question,' does Vidor basketball have this X factor?' [/quote]Of course, Coach Lee looked like a genius against us this past year. Next year he won't be able to do the same. ;)

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1391615" timestamp="1365172662"] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=110519.msg1391594#msg1391594 date=1365171174] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110519.msg1391348#msg1391348 date=1365098134] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=110519.msg1391344#msg1391344 date=1365097617] Still waiting bluedove. [/quote] So, you're saying Central won't win it all in 4-A? iF so, why do you feel this way? [/quote] Yes that's what I'm saying. And I feel that way cuz they just don't have the X factor.  8) [/quote] What's The X factor if you don't mind me asking? [/quote]If I had to guess at his response, I would say coaching. It seems to be what some Central fans believe, so maybe that is what he is referring to as the X Factor? ???

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1390707" timestamp="1364909877"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110733.msg1390705#msg1390705 date=1364909743] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110733.msg1390698#msg1390698 date=1364907324] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110733.msg1390665#msg1390665 date=1364872098] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110733.msg1390659#msg1390659 date=1364870548] Do players who play for Jim Boeheim not have the talent level to play man defense? They absolutely COULD play man, but they don't bc of his 'system'. Seems to be working pretty well for him. ;) [/quote] +1!! [/quote] You can take that plus away now  ;) [/quote]It was still a valid point. The original post did not specify HS 'systems' only. If it make you feel better, I'll give you a +1. [/quote]Thanks Abe, I can use all I can get.  8) [/quote];D

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1390698" timestamp="1364907324"] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110733.msg1390665#msg1390665 date=1364872098] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110733.msg1390659#msg1390659 date=1364870548] Do players who play for Jim Boeheim not have the talent level to play man defense? They absolutely COULD play man, but they don't bc of his 'system'. Seems to be working pretty well for him. ;) [/quote] +1!! [/quote] You can take that plus away now  ;) [/quote]It was still a valid point. The original post did not specify HS 'systems' only. If it make you feel better, I'll give you a +1.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1390669" timestamp="1364873135"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110733.msg1390659#msg1390659 date=1364870548] Do players who play for Jim Boeheim not have the talent level to play man defense? They absolutely COULD play man, but they don't bc of his 'system'. Seems to be working pretty well for him. ;) [/quote] I thought we were talking about high school basketball. Being able to recruit to a big time DI school like Syracuse will bring in loads of talent that can play any style. That is not the case with small high schools. [/quote]I thought he was referring to any system regardless of which level they play.

Do players who play for Jim Boeheim not have the talent level to play man defense? They absolutely COULD play man, but they don't bc of his 'system'. Seems to be working pretty well for him. ;)

[quote name="no-look" post="1390624" timestamp="1364863818"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110469.msg1390619#msg1390619 date=1364862893] [quote author=no-look link=topic=110469.msg1390614#msg1390614 date=1364861891] [quote author=usedtobe link=topic=110469.msg1390596#msg1390596 date=1364854296] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110469.msg1390489#msg1390489 date=1364829356] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110469.msg1390472#msg1390472 date=1364826189] Is the "capital establishment" comprised of bad people? [/quote] Greedy people who will stop at nothing to take your dollars for profit. [/quote] Dove, if you still sell cars, then you are a MAJOR hypocrite! :-X [/quote]It's 99% of those car salesmen that give the rest of them a bad name...  ;D  Just kidding, I sold cars for about six years. [/quote] Hmmm? Did I fire you? [/quote]Nah, I was always in the top three. It was those guys on or near the bottom that would get the axe...lol [/quote]Maybe those at the top should share their profits with those at the bottom so they don't get the axe? That should motivate...NOBODY!! ;D

Hard to believe such a violent injury occurred on a non-contact play.

[quote name="Sfajacks10" post="1390187" timestamp="1364662998"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110520.msg1390179#msg1390179 date=1364652138] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110520.msg1390161#msg1390161 date=1364617616] nice season for FGCU. Duke vs Louisville sunday. Hope Pitino can pull it out. [/quote]It was an impressive 6th season from the program. Wonder how they got so good so quick?? I expect an investigation soon on some sketchy recruiting possibly. I have ZERO proof, but something tells me something is just not right. Anyone else thought of this possibility? [/quote] I don't see it. All of those players look like your normal overlooked talent. A bunch of kids that probably had a couple of scholarship offers out of high school or JUCO. Now if they had a couple Rivals or ESPN top 100 players on the team. Maybe. I doubt there will be any recruiting violations there. Plus, have you seen their campus??? Can't blame them for wanting to go there. [/quote]Good points. No. I have not seen their campus. I will check it out.

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1390161" timestamp="1364617616"] nice season for FGCU. Duke vs Louisville sunday. Hope Pitino can pull it out. [/quote]It was an impressive 6th season from the program. Wonder how they got so good so quick?? I expect an investigation soon on some sketchy recruiting possibly. I have ZERO proof, but something tells me something is just not right. Anyone else thought of this possibility?

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1390061" timestamp="1364581094"] I dont bet against Tom Izzo. I've learned my lesson (and lost money) about that before. [/quote]Now you have learned your lesson to not bet against Coach K!! ;D ;D

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1389987" timestamp="1364566443"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110520.msg1389959#msg1389959 date=1364555291] My bracket is shredded. I picked Duke to win it all. Out of 30 people I play against every year, only 2 of us picked Duke this year, and my bracket is doing better than the other guy who picked Duke. ;D [/quote] Duke will make it to the final four. Maybe even the final two. Bet on it! [/quote]I did bet on it. Hope your right.

My bracket is shredded. I picked Duke to win it all. Out of 30 people I play against every year, only 2 of us picked Duke this year, and my bracket is doing better than the other guy who picked Duke. ;D

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1389802" timestamp="1364518655"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110520.msg1389796#msg1389796 date=1364518231] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110520.msg1389787#msg1389787 date=1364517175] my bracket is officially burned, thx Miami. smh  >:( [/quote]Mine too! I had Miami in the Final 4. The Hurricanes look horrible tonight. I'll give credit to Marquette, but Miami is not playing like the ACC Champs. [/quote]I had Miami playing Ohio State in the Final, Ohio State isnt playing well either. [/quote]They turning it on on the 2nd half.

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1389787" timestamp="1364517175"] my bracket is officially burned, thx Miami. smh  >:( [/quote]Mine too! I had Miami in the Final 4. The Hurricanes look horrible tonight. I'll give credit to Marquette, but Miami is not playing like the ACC Champs.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1389114" timestamp="1364346469"] So, I'd like an answer to my previous question: who / how develops the player.......hmmm? [/quote]Parents, coaches, siblings, friends, neighborhood kids, self (notice I did not mention government ;) ). It starts at a young age. From little dribblers to the driveway to middle school and high school. I don't think one person or entity can take credit for one's development. AAU is where kids can improve their in game skills and decisions, but I wouldn't give AAU credit in developing players per se.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1388835" timestamp="1364305016"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110499.msg1388744#msg1388744 date=1364249741] [quote author=Aces_Full link=topic=110499.msg1388696#msg1388696 date=1364239796] AAU does not develop talent...it showcases it. [/quote]That's the most spot on post I've seen in a while describing AAU. It's a great place for DV and others to find good players, and it's good as a high level of competition. [/quote]I've also been told by the 'powers that be" that summer ball is their best evaluation time  for players based on its the closest measurement to college ball, as far as speed of the game, defense, leadership and of course scoring. So yall can sit there and  knock summer ball all you want to, it is what it is!!!! I learned either you accept it and  deal with it or get left behind in the past. [/quote]I'm not knocking AAU at all. However, I know that it IS a place to showcase your talents, not develop them just as 'Aces Full' stated. MOST AAU coaches don't do any coaching whatsoever. If a kid wants to get noticed, I think playing AAU is all but a must.