Honest Abe

[quote name="ram0524" post="1388780" timestamp="1364264002"] [quote author=TEXASFUTURE2017 link=topic=110519.msg1388777#msg1388777 date=1364263276] The REAL TRUTH is that Nimtiz graduated all of their players and they were going into total rebuild mode,so he did what any smart player would do he left. Personally I see nothin wrong with it.The kid can play ball really good.  Let's see what he can bring to the team. [/quote] Isn't his dad the coach at Nimtiz? [/quote]yes

[quote name="TEXASFUTURE2017" post="1388777" timestamp="1364263276"] The REAL TRUTH is that Nimtiz graduated all of their players and they were going into total rebuild mode,so he did what any smart player would do he left. Personally I see nothin wrong with it.The kid can play ball really good.  Let's see what he can bring to the team. [/quote]Wrong!! Why are you making up stories you know nothing about? It is a personal and private matter for which this kid returned to Nederland, and nothing more should be discussed on this board regarding his reason(s) that he returned, PERIOD!!

[quote name="Aces_Full" post="1388696" timestamp="1364239796"] AAU does not develop talent...it showcases it. [/quote]That's the most spot on post I've seen in a while describing AAU. It's a great place for DV and others to find good players, and it's good as a high level of competition.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1388273" timestamp="1364061006"] The press only works against weak opponents. Good guard play will eat up a press. VCU needs to do something else. [/quote]Kinda like Yates has done during past 2 Championship games.

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1387607" timestamp="1363907270"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110333.msg1387604#msg1387604 date=1363907048] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=110333.msg1387556#msg1387556 date=1363902621] my under-seeded & undersized Ducks are beating those Goliaths from Oklahoma State like a drum right now. [b]So much for that 12 seed[/b]  ::) Sad part about it is if Oregon wins it wont even be an upset. [/quote]Since it happens so frequently, it's no longer an upset when a 12 seed beats a 5 seed. [/quote] hence the sarcasm...Oregon shouldnt have ever been a 12 seed, 6 seed at least especially if UCLA without a key player is a 6 seed. [/quote]gotcha! ;)

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1387556" timestamp="1363902621"] my under-seeded & undersized Ducks are beating those Goliaths from Oklahoma State like a drum right now. So much for that 12 seed  ::) Sad part about it is if Oregon wins it wont even be an upset. [/quote]Since it happens so frequently, it's no longer an upset when a 12 seed beats a 5 seed.

[quote name="PhatMack19" post="1387582" timestamp="1363905694"] The crowd and the refs on Southern's side now [/quote]The refs did everything possible to keep them in the game. There were some aweful calls in the last 5 minutes of that game.

BD3-I see where you replied to everyone's post but mine. Do you not have a comment or answer to my last two statements?

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1387433" timestamp="1363881704"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110076.msg1387430#msg1387430 date=1363881174] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110076.msg1387397#msg1387397 date=1363874750] Bottom line.... There aren't any major differences in Mumford and AAA Accept it and move on 1. They both educate their students as their mission 2. They both get students from a large geographic area 3. They both take a serious interest in their sports program 4. They both are 1-A and played and made it to State 5. They both in some circles are accused of stretching the rules [/quote]You forgot: both teams have 4 kids who will likely play at the next level. Oh wait, that's just ONE of the teams!! ::) [/quote] Come one Abe, that is PURELY coincidental.  [/quote]You're right. I 'm sure most 1A schools have MULTIPLE players who will play at the next level, right? What are the statistics: About 3.1% of HS Bball student-athletes play at the next level? Does that sound about right? Yet a school in the smallest classification in Texas (1A) has approx 35-40% of their team who will likely play at the next level? Interesting.... Over the last 10 years, I wonder how many (TOTAL) 1A kids from SETX played at the collegiate level?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1387397" timestamp="1363874750"] Bottom line.... There aren't any major differences in Mumford and AAA Accept it and move on 1. They both educate their students as their mission 2. They both get students from a large geographic area 3. They both take a serious interest in their sports program 4. They both are 1-A and played and made it to State 5. They both in some circles are accused of stretching the rules [/quote]You forgot: both teams have 4 kids who will likely play at the next level. Oh wait, that's just ONE of the teams!! ::)

[quote name="Aces_Full" post="1386042" timestamp="1363445712"] Joel LaFluer from PNG score 50 on Nederland in 1992.  Believe he was MVP of the District that year that included Lincoln and Silsbee. [/quote]That guy was legit. What ever happened to him? Did he play anywhere after HS?

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1385633" timestamp="1363293674"] [quote author=ozensfinest link=topic=110159.msg1385625#msg1385625 date=1363292617] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=110159.msg1384779#msg1384779 date=1363064552] Ozen Brandon Chappell (sp) Kris Richards Kenna Young Kendrick Perkins David Green III [/quote]Soulja you really have David green over decarlos pnut etc? crazy smh [/quote] You know, I thought long and hard about P-Nut being on the list.  He was good, but I remember him being a really good 3 point shooter.  DeCarlos was good, but but had all the talents, but I only remember 1 game where he exploded big.  I think De Carlos and Trey can be flip flopped.  That's my opinion.  [/quote]Franks exploded against us a few years back. He was making shots from just inside the 1/2 court line (or so it seemed). I would put him on the list.

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1385529" timestamp="1363274811"] HJ: 1-Ryan Donahoe 2-Rocky Rocquemore 3-Kenyon Spears 4-Shannon Holmes 5-Sam Williams [/quote]What about Gene Isabell??

[quote name="fisherman2" post="1385399" timestamp="1363217531"] Ill make an attempt at a Kelly list. It may be a little off. Feel free to correct. This isn't a starting 5 just some players that come to mind: J'Covan Brown Taylor Mullenax Edward Persia Jude Messina Ryan Zummo Johnathon Brown Matthew Pace Keenan Simon Anyone who goes further back than me feel free to expand. [/quote]What about all of the Henry brothers?

[quote name="scapegoat" post="1385371" timestamp="1363210711"] How about Buddy Davis for Ned. list.I think he played for some pro. championship teams.  [/quote]He played at aTm. He played in the NBA for the Philadelphia Warriors, where he won a championship. I posted a article a while back about him being an Olympian. Here it is: [Hidden Content]

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1385357" timestamp="1363208027"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110159.msg1385356#msg1385356 date=1363207880] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=110159.msg1385338#msg1385338 date=1363205543] Since noone else has tried i'll do it [u][b]Vidor[/b][/u]: Jake McWilliams Noah Cole George Williamson Danny Riddick Jarred Williamson Feel free to correct me if i missed someone cuz i'm sure i did. [/quote]How about the kid who was the 3 point specialist from those years? I think his name was Trey? Also BJ Stankovich was one of Vidor's good players in the lasts 80's. He should be mentioned on the list, IMO. [/quote] Trey Jenkins was good but IMO he wasn't as good as cole or jarred. 4 guys on my list went on to play in the next level. The only one who didn't was danny and that was because of a senior year injury. Trey didn't make it. And okay abe in your opinion who should he replace? [/quote]Not saying he is better or not. He should be considered in the discussion. Also, Cody Reese was a great PG. Casey Baker was kinda like George. Could 'do it all' kinda player.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1385338" timestamp="1363205543"] Since noone else has tried i'll do it [u][b]Vidor[/b][/u]: Jake McWilliams Noah Cole George Williamson Danny Riddick Jarred Williamson Feel free to correct me if i missed someone cuz i'm sure i did. [/quote]How about the kid who was the 3 point specialist from those years? I think his name was Trey? Also BJ Stankovich was one of Vidor's good players in the late 80's. He should be mentioned on the list, IMO.

[quote name="PaBees" post="1385280" timestamp="1363197589"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110159.msg1385202#msg1385202 date=1363179055] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=110159.msg1385200#msg1385200 date=1363176933] [quote author=Nederland B-Dog Fan link=topic=110159.msg1385194#msg1385194 date=1363168716] Nederland: There was individual talented players at Nederland, but most of them played on teams that were not very good overall. That's one reason many of the players i chose are from more recent years. Most people (including myself) don't remember them so well bc they played on subpar teams. And trust me, we had our fair share of subpar teams! ;D You guys got it all wrong!  The talent in the area has been way down for a long time now.  A lot of those teams from Mid-County weren't "sub-par" or "unremarkable", they just didn't make the playoffs.  The top teams were just that good back then.  Also, half the district didn't get in.  For example, I think the group Nederland had in Lincoln's last year was better than the Nederland group this year.  With that said, it seems like the talent is starting to come back to the area.  Port Arthur and the BMT schools should all be very good in the near future. [/quote]Five of the people I put on my list never played in a playoff game while playing at Nederland. Weaver, English, and Hefner all played on good teams in the 80's when only one or two teams played in the post season. I grew up and played in the era when only one or two teams played in the post season, so I know what you are saying about good players not making the playoffs. Three teams made the playoffs during the last year of Lincoln's existence, yet Nederland was not one of them.  Sorry, but that Bulldog team was NOT better than any of the Ned teams from this year or the past 4 seasons. ::)

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1385200" timestamp="1363176933"] [quote author=Nederland B-Dog Fan link=topic=110159.msg1385194#msg1385194 date=1363168716] Nederland: Weaver Brian and/or Zach English Chris Hammond Wiesbrod Kelvin Smith [/quote] No Cunningham? [/quote]I would place him on a team of top players over the last decade, but not over past 30+ years. There was individual talented players at Nederland, but most of them played on teams that were not very good overall. That's one reason many of the players i chose are from more recent years. Most people (including myself) don't remember them so well bc they played on subpar teams. And trust me, we had our fair share of subpar teams! ;D NHS 83LU87 may be able to provide a few more from the early 80's. I remember Greg Macon being a great shooter but can't remember his overall game/skills.

[quote name="jackyateshoops" post="1383043" timestamp="1362543838"] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=109991.msg1382706#msg1382706 date=1362486908] I have searched far and wide but I find no Yates grads as news achor, field reporter, or column writer. What does their communication program produce? TSU, PV,, or U of H dont have stellar communication programs. DV speak up money! [/quote] Did  you use google.  Roland Martin is one. You can find him on CNN.  He also has his own show, "Washington Watch with Roland Martin" on TV1.  He has a segment also on The TJM morning show Majic 102.1.  He's also an author. [/quote]Did this young man play basketball while attending Yates?

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1384992" timestamp="1363132833"] No wasnt it like 1991 or so? Maybe Im wrong. Usetobe its past ur bed time! Go to sleep and count goats! [/quote]Joel LeFluer was their stud in 90-92, but he wasn't an exchange student. He and Bobby Straface definitely on the all-time starting 5 from PNG, IMO.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1384971" timestamp="1363130312"] For schools like Lincoln, Silsbee, Kountze, and Hebert you could form 4 different starting 5 and still be close to right. Lots of talent in the school sysystems. Who was that exchange student back in the day for PNG that.shot 3's like layupz? [/quote]Yao Ming?

Nederland: Jamie Weaver Brian Hefner Brian English Corey Loupe Francis Torres Kelvin Smith Dionte Forney Zach English Colton Weisbrod Yes. I realize many are from recent years, mostly bc (as we all know) Nederland does not have a rich history of talented basketball players.

[quote name="rayray1968" post="1384950" timestamp="1363124156"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=110159.msg1384873#msg1384873 date=1363108281] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=110159.msg1384864#msg1384864 date=1363107054] PA Lincoln BJ Tyler Earl Evans Stephen Jackson [pre][/pre] Leonard Allen Keith Harris The post from the 90/91 team.  Bryan Sallier was 86-90. Allen was 82-86. [/quote]That would be Kelvin McKyer. Anthony Allen was another great post player from 86-88? [/quote] [/quote]Don't know how I forgot Bryan Sallier.

[quote name="Aces_Full" post="1384892" timestamp="1363110881"] Jaime Weaver from Nederland???  Didn't he go to the University of Houston and play with Phi Slamma Jamma?  [/quote]I will come up with a list for you later today. Weaver will definitely be on the list.