Honest Abe

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1372408" timestamp="1360530643"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109118.msg1372404#msg1372404 date=1360529891] [quote author=Yeoj link=topic=109118.msg1372403#msg1372403 date=1360529663] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109118.msg1372400#msg1372400 date=1360529329] [quote author=Yeoj link=topic=109118.msg1372396#msg1372396 date=1360528195] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109118.msg1372395#msg1372395 date=1360527099] [quote author=Yeoj link=topic=109118.msg1372394#msg1372394 date=1360526673] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109118.msg1372393#msg1372393 date=1360526540] [quote author=Yeoj link=topic=109118.msg1372392#msg1372392 date=1360526434] [quote author=baddog link=topic=109118.msg1372331#msg1372331 date=1360512788] All the more proof why enrollment numbers alone should not determine the classification of magnet schools. When you can maneuver players from an entire city with enrollment enough for 3 high schools, playing against 4a schools seems a bit slanted now doesn't it? [/quote] What's the difference between a Beaumont eighth grader choosing to go to Ozen or Central and a Port Arthur eighth grader choosing to go to Nederland High School? [/quote]The PA kid has no choice. If he lives in PAISD, he goes to PAISD. If he lives in NISD, he goes there. Huge difference. [/quote] So no PA eighth grader ever transferred to NISD for highschool? [/quote]I never said that. However, in order to do so, one must show proof of living within the boundaries of NISD. One cannot live within PAISD and choose to attend NISD. There is no choice of which school they wish to attend as it is in Beaumont. [/quote] Well "legally" in Beaumont you don't get to choose either. You have to live in the high school's zone or qualify for the high school's magnet program. And yes "proof" is required. [/quote]I thought BISD had open enrollment? According to their website: BEAUMONT ISD STUDENT TRANSFER NOTIFICATION BEAUMONT INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMINISTRATION BUILDING DEPARTMENT OF STUDENT SERVICES 3395 HARRISON AVE.  77706 PHONE 617-5109 All parents/guardians of students attending schools in B.I.S.D. are afforded the opportunity to request transfer to the school of their choice. [/quote] And that's not the same as a kid transferring into NISD? [/quote]Which kid transferred to Nederland? [/quote] I'm not stating a specific kid. I'm talking about the statements of BISD being a open enrollment district where the kids get to choose what high school they want to go to. There are rules in place that have to be followed. Yes you can request a transfer but, the enrollment rules in BISD doesn't give any Beaumont high school an athletic advantage like some on here imply. [/quote]Everyone has an opinion on whether or not there is an advantage. That's an entire different topic, and that is not what we are discussing here. I answered your question on how the rules in BISD are different in NISD. You seemed to think they were equal, while clearly they are not. BISD has open enrollment while NISD does not have that luxury.

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1372403" timestamp="1360529663"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109118.msg1372400#msg1372400 date=1360529329] [quote author=Yeoj link=topic=109118.msg1372396#msg1372396 date=1360528195] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109118.msg1372395#msg1372395 date=1360527099] [quote author=Yeoj link=topic=109118.msg1372394#msg1372394 date=1360526673] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109118.msg1372393#msg1372393 date=1360526540] [quote author=Yeoj link=topic=109118.msg1372392#msg1372392 date=1360526434] [quote author=baddog link=topic=109118.msg1372331#msg1372331 date=1360512788] All the more proof why enrollment numbers alone should not determine the classification of magnet schools. When you can maneuver players from an entire city with enrollment enough for 3 high schools, playing against 4a schools seems a bit slanted now doesn't it? [/quote] What's the difference between a Beaumont eighth grader choosing to go to Ozen or Central and a Port Arthur eighth grader choosing to go to Nederland High School? [/quote]The PA kid has no choice. If he lives in PAISD, he goes to PAISD. If he lives in NISD, he goes there. Huge difference. [/quote] So no PA eighth grader ever transferred to NISD for highschool? [/quote]I never said that. However, in order to do so, one must show proof of living within the boundaries of NISD. One cannot live within PAISD and choose to attend NISD. There is no choice of which school they wish to attend as it is in Beaumont. [/quote] Well "legally" in Beaumont you don't get to choose either. You have to live in the high school's zone or qualify for the high school's magnet program. And yes "proof" is required. [/quote]I thought BISD had open enrollment? According to their website: BEAUMONT ISD STUDENT TRANSFER NOTIFICATION BEAUMONT INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMINISTRATION BUILDING DEPARTMENT OF STUDENT SERVICES 3395 HARRISON AVE.  77706 PHONE 617-5109 All parents/guardians of students attending schools in B.I.S.D. are afforded the opportunity to request transfer to the school of their choice. [/quote] And that's not the same as a kid transferring into NISD? [/quote]Which kid transferred to Nederland from PA?

[quote name="Baller 93" post="1372382" timestamp="1360524144"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=109118.msg1372347#msg1372347 date=1360516031] I hope I'm wrong, but this talk about recruiting sounds a little like an early excuse being concocted prior to a defeat.  Again, I hope that's not correct since my self personally have never said anything  the about the pa kids on the district championship teams... [/quote] Please enlighten me on these pa kids you speak of? [/quote]You won't get an answer Baller. As you know, we've had this debate for over 4 years, yet nobody seems to be able to show any evidence of any kids transferring to Ned from PA who played Bball for Nederland.

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1372396" timestamp="1360528195"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109118.msg1372395#msg1372395 date=1360527099] [quote author=Yeoj link=topic=109118.msg1372394#msg1372394 date=1360526673] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109118.msg1372393#msg1372393 date=1360526540] [quote author=Yeoj link=topic=109118.msg1372392#msg1372392 date=1360526434] [quote author=baddog link=topic=109118.msg1372331#msg1372331 date=1360512788] All the more proof why enrollment numbers alone should not determine the classification of magnet schools. When you can maneuver players from an entire city with enrollment enough for 3 high schools, playing against 4a schools seems a bit slanted now doesn't it? [/quote] What's the difference between a Beaumont eighth grader choosing to go to Ozen or Central and a Port Arthur eighth grader choosing to go to Nederland High School? [/quote]The PA kid has no choice. If he lives in PAISD, he goes to PAISD. If he lives in NISD, he goes there. Huge difference. [/quote] So no PA eighth grader ever transferred to NISD for highschool? [/quote]I never said that. However, in order to do so, one must show proof of living within the boundaries of NISD. One cannot live within PAISD and choose to attend NISD. There is no choice of which school they wish to attend as it is in Beaumont. [/quote] Well "legally" in Beaumont you don't get to choose either. You have to live in the high school's zone or qualify for the high school's magnet program. And yes "proof" is required. [/quote]I thought BISD had open enrollment? According to their website: BEAUMONT ISD STUDENT TRANSFER NOTIFICATION BEAUMONT INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMINISTRATION BUILDING DEPARTMENT OF STUDENT SERVICES 3395 HARRISON AVE.  77706 PHONE 617-5109 All parents/guardians of students attending schools in B.I.S.D. are afforded the opportunity to request transfer to the school of their choice. So according to their website, yes they must live within BISD boundaries, but they can choose which school to attend before they begin HS. Huge difference.

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1372394" timestamp="1360526673"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109118.msg1372393#msg1372393 date=1360526540] [quote author=Yeoj link=topic=109118.msg1372392#msg1372392 date=1360526434] [quote author=baddog link=topic=109118.msg1372331#msg1372331 date=1360512788] All the more proof why enrollment numbers alone should not determine the classification of magnet schools. When you can maneuver players from an entire city with enrollment enough for 3 high schools, playing against 4a schools seems a bit slanted now doesn't it? [/quote] What's the difference between a Beaumont eighth grader choosing to go to Ozen or Central and a Port Arthur eighth grader choosing to go to Nederland High School? [/quote]The PA kid has no choice. If he lives in PAISD, he goes to PAISD. If he lives in NISD, he goes there. Huge difference. [/quote] So no PA eighth grader ever transferred to NISD for highschool? [/quote]I never said that. However, in order to do so, one must show proof of living within the boundaries of NISD. One cannot live within PAISD and choose to attend NISD. There is no choice of which school they wish to attend as it is in Beaumont.

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1372392" timestamp="1360526434"] [quote author=baddog link=topic=109118.msg1372331#msg1372331 date=1360512788] All the more proof why enrollment numbers alone should not determine the classification of magnet schools. When you can maneuver players from an entire city with enrollment enough for 3 high schools, playing against 4a schools seems a bit slanted now doesn't it? [/quote] What's the difference between a Beaumont eighth grader choosing to go to Ozen or Central and a Port Arthur eighth grader choosing to go to Nederland High School? [/quote]The PA kid has no choice. If he lives in PAISD, he goes to PAISD. If he lives in NISD, he goes there. Huge difference.

No apologies necessary. 8) Unfortunately, about 1/2 of all meaningful threads on the Bball forum turn into a discussions about recruiting. In order to win Tuesday, Dawgs must slow Wileridge, limit TOs, and control the boards better. We can't get down by double digits again and have to play catch up all game. We got as close as two points last game with about 2 min remaining, then TOs killed us in the end.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1372357" timestamp="1360517673"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109118.msg1372349#msg1372349 date=1360516586] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=109118.msg1372347#msg1372347 date=1360516031] I hope I'm wrong, but this talk about recruiting sounds a little like an early excuse being concocted prior to a defeat.  Again, I hope that's not correct since my self personally have never said anything  the about the pa kids on the district championship teams... [/quote]Soulja-Please stop with that! We've gone through this 100 times on here. Any kid who lives in the designated areas of Pt. Neches or Pt. Arthur have attended NISD for 30+ years. ::) The kids who were on that team attended Ned schools most of their lives. The two kids who started attending Ned in the 9th grade transferred from PNG, and they didn't have a lick of basketball skills until their Jr or Sr seasons. I guess you also assume the same about Jamiere Rogers? I'm not the one who brought up the recruiting, and you will not hear me using recruiting as an excuse. Can we not get back on topic? 8) [/quote]  Like I said, I hope I'm wrong.  ...and why was out poof topic when I rebuttals but wasn't when Nederland fans were the ones that swayed the topic?  Wouldn't that be considered 'typical'? [/quote]Never said you were off topic. I'm talking about everyone who is turning this thread into a discussion about recruiting (again). Not sure i understand what you mean with 'typical'? 

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1372347" timestamp="1360516031"] I hope I'm wrong, but this talk about recruiting sounds a little like an early excuse being concocted prior to a defeat.  Again, I hope that's not correct since my self personally have never said anything  the about the pa kids on the district championship teams... [/quote]Soulja-Please stop with that! We've gone through this 100 times on here. Any kid who lives in the designated areas of Pt. Neches or Pt. Arthur have attended NISD for 30+ years. ::) The kids who were on that team attended Ned schools most of their lives. The two kids who started attending Ned in the 9th grade transferred from PNG, and they didn't have a lick of basketball skills until their Jr or Sr seasons. I guess you also assume the same about Jamiere Rogers? I'm not the one who brought up the recruiting, and you will not hear me using recruiting as an excuse. Can we not get back on topic? 8)

[quote name="OvieDotson" post="1372332" timestamp="1360513291"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=109118.msg1372327#msg1372327 date=1360512006] [quote author=OvieDotson link=topic=109118.msg1372324#msg1372324 date=1360510810] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=109118.msg1372180#msg1372180 date=1360457553] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=109118.msg1372111#msg1372111 date=1360446091] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=109118.msg1372099#msg1372099 date=1360445218] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=109118.msg1372088#msg1372088 date=1360444130] I predict if NED plays Central on [b]3/12/2013[/b] it will be a pick-up game on the northside of BMT.  :P i'll take Central by 15 before the cops are called.  ;D [/quote] ACTUALLY, Central is located in the Historical District, aka old town aka Central Beaumont (Central is located only a few blocks from the center point of Beaumont, hence the  the name).  So, they do NOT play in the North end.  8) [/quote] majority of those bball players i bet are from the north end.  ;) [/quote] And several of those players were originally going to go to Ozen ;) [/quote] And Ozen has some players that were originally going to HF.... [/quote] Not true.  One player originally went to HF High & transferred. The other was originally recruited by a prep school but decided  not to attend.  The Central soph. players I was referencing had verbally said they were attending Ozen and changed their minds that summer before entering as Frosh. ;) [/quote] Beaumont is a district of choice, so until school starts those freshmen are free to chose where they want to go.  And what is the difference in being recruited by a prep school and deciding not to attend, and being recruited by Ozen and deciding not to attend? [/quote]That's easy: one is a private school, one is a public school. Prep schools are allowed to recruit bc they are privately funded. Public schools should not have that option.

[quote name="Bigcam2903" post="1372285" timestamp="1360473080"] First, I want to say I'm not new to the site, just new to posting on the forum. Hope I don't offend anyone. Central's center should dominate Weisbrod everytime. Too long & athletic, not knocking Weisbrod cuz he's a Coaches dream. That kid plays with his heart & soul, sacrifices his body. If better talent throughout the district played as hard, many Colleges would be calling(not saying any names). For Nederland to even be mentioned for a Championship in basketball is a Credit to the Coach. English gets every ounce of talent & skill out of his players. Central & Ozen are both very talented & athletic. Nederland guys are very fundamental & disciplined. Call me crazy but I'll take latter of the two cuz the last I checked, this not very athletic team has been winning district. Sort of like Cinderella @ March Madness. So to answer the question of which team wins, I say central, but 20 years ago when I Played @ the Bee Hive I wouldn't entertain such ridiculous questions, but nowadays I must answer so I think central wins. Give English a couple of these athletes..... I'll let the Dogs fans tell you guys how he would do. Thanks for the forum to freely agree to disagree.           Campbell 1990 Mighty Bumblebees [/quote]As 5 on 5 mentioned earlier, Wileridge got the best of Weisbrod last game. He scored at  will, blocked shots, and dominated the glass. He is a beast! Weisbrod does leave it all on the court, and I have seen him dominate kids who have superior talent over the last two years. Heart is something you can't coach. Hopefully he (and the team) can slow Wileridge or get him into foul trouble. It will take great team defensive effort to slow him down. Sometimes, however, it takes more than just effort and heart to stop a kid like Wileridge. ;)

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1372327" timestamp="1360512006"] [quote author=OvieDotson link=topic=109118.msg1372324#msg1372324 date=1360510810] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=109118.msg1372180#msg1372180 date=1360457553] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=109118.msg1372111#msg1372111 date=1360446091] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=109118.msg1372099#msg1372099 date=1360445218] [quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=109118.msg1372088#msg1372088 date=1360444130] I predict if NED plays Central on [b]3/12/2013[/b] it will be a pick-up game on the northside of BMT.  :P i'll take Central by 15 before the cops are called.  ;D [/quote] ACTUALLY, Central is located in the Historical District, aka old town aka Central Beaumont (Central is located only a few blocks from the center point of Beaumont, hence the  the name).  So, they do NOT play in the North end.  8) [/quote] majority of those bball players i bet are from the north end.  ;) [/quote] And several of those players were originally going to go to Ozen ;) [/quote] And Ozen has some players that were originally going to HF.... [/quote] Not true.  One player originally went to HF High & transferred. The other was originally recruited and about to attend a prep school. The Central soph. players I was referencing had verbally said they were attending Ozen and changed their minds that summer before entering as Frosh. ;) [/quote]A verbal commitment? Sounds like recruiting to me! ;D

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1372079" timestamp="1360442447"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=109081.msg1372076#msg1372076 date=1360442119] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=109081.msg1372072#msg1372072 date=1360441586] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=109081.msg1372067#msg1372067 date=1360440603] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109081.msg1372062#msg1372062 date=1360438808] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=109081.msg1371997#msg1371997 date=1360424698] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=109081.msg1371995#msg1371995 date=1360424652] Football players were present.  Didn't matter... ;) [/quote] Not all of them. Did matter.  ;) [/quote]Silsbee's best players were there, and that does matter. ;) Are you suggesting the player missing would have caused a different outcome in the game? [/quote] :o ;)  Answer the man... :D [/quote] 3 football players did not suit out for the Lee game. 1 starter, 2 reserves. [/quote] You still didn't answer his question... ;) [/quote] A 1 point loss on the road, I say it is fair to say the missing personnel would have made a difference. [/quote]I thought we were talking about the Ned/Silsbee game not Lee/Silsbee? I agree with you on the Lee game. They are not a good team.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1371997" timestamp="1360424698"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=109081.msg1371995#msg1371995 date=1360424652] Football players were present.  Didn't matter... ;) [/quote] Not all of them. Did matter.  ;) [/quote]Silsbee's best players were there, and that does matter. ;) Are you suggesting the player missing would have caused a different outcome in the game?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1372032" timestamp="1360431942"] With all the parity these days in college and high school (4-A) , Nederland will probably beat Central IN THEIR OWN GYM. Sending the district into turmoil. Allowing poor 19 4A time to rest and scout. And all because Nederland beats Central.. [/quote]Scout!! You said it. That would be my biggest concern. 19-4A would have the opportunity to watch their 1st round opponent play at least one time if there is a 3-way tie. Maybe the coaches can find common ground this year??

[quote name="85' HUSKER" post="1372036" timestamp="1360433347"] I believe DV has lost his swag  :o Pulling for Central is not a prediction. The Dogs mess everything up and win by 3. [/quote]True Husker. DV did NOT make a prediction, he simply commented on who he WANTS to win to avoid a three way tie. So DV-Who wins and why?

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1372003" timestamp="1360425484"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109083.msg1371742#msg1371742 date=1360372261] Vidor will get their first District win of the season tonight. [/quote] How'd you know?? [/quote]Vidor has become more competitive in the 2nd half of district and Livingston lost their best player a few weeks ago, and they have been on a sharp decline.

Based on your logic, Nederland SHOULD win bc of all of the seniors, right?

I realize you are usually always right (not sure what that means ;D ) but didn't you say last year that district 20-4A was the weakest in the state? Same silly predictions/comments, different year. ::) BTW-We already beat Silsbee twice this year including once at their house. 8)

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1371742" timestamp="1360372261"] Vidor will get their first District win of the season tonight. [/quote]8) 8) 8)

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1371954" timestamp="1360421311"] [quote author=team first link=topic=109118.msg1371944#msg1371944 date=1360415085] I will take opposite of who dickie v chooses, he is never correct.  :D [/quote] I need you to see the definition of HATER and see your pic being placed next to it.. 8)....To say that I am NEVER correct is an outright LIE... >:(..Truth is I am USUALLY ALWAYS correct, and some of you can't stand it....As much as you folks "hate" me on here, you boys give me more mentions than Lebron on SportsCenter!  ::) ::) [/quote]Usually/Always...love it! I thought Mytwocents's picture was next to 'hater'? ;D Back on topic: BD3 that is a difficult decision; which team do you want to win? As you have mentioned before, the position a team finishes in district is irrelevant compared to where the team finishes the season. I don't think Ozen will have trouble with anyone in 19-4A! 8)

Dawgs now have the confidence from the Ozen win which will carry over. Look for another great defensive effort by the Dawgs. We must do better on the boards of we are going to win. Since we have a lot of Seniors (and Central has mostly underclassmen), we should win (according to THE expert)! ;) Dawgs take it by 4.

WB won 67-53

Final: Nederland 78 Lumberton 40

End of 3rd: Ned 66 Lumberton 28