Honest Abe

I think it will come down to a tie, and the two teams will play an extra game to determine who represents 20-4A as the 4th pl team.

Final: Ned 72 LCM 38

End of 3rd: Ned 46 LCM 23

Upset brewing in Lumberton. Vidor surprising people here late in the season.

And that's the final score! 52-49 Titans over NS Mustangs!

PAM 52 North Shore 49 :25.9 remaining in 4th Go Titans!

After 3: North Shore 39 Memorial 33

Half: Ned 27 LCM 13

[quote name="Brubaker" post="1367780" timestamp="1359471299"] Folks are on here talking about what's best for the kids, why wouldn't what a kid is seeing/feeling/hearing/experiencing be what's most relevant? [/quote]Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see where anyone dismissed what you suggested. IMO, It's not right when a kid cannot participate in a sport at 100% bc his other sport is in off-season training. In addition, when other schools allow their student-athletes to move their athletic class from one sport to the next, (but other schools (like Nederland) do not allow that)),it affects all kids in that other sport. Also, when one school has two coaches in a sport, yet other schools have 4/5 coaches, that also is not fair to the kids in the program or the program itself. My kid currently plays two sports very well. He is not sure of which one he wants to pursue when he reaches HS. He would like to do both, but he may not have that choice. Is that fair to him?

[quote name="scapegoat" post="1367527" timestamp="1359397034"] Both sides have faults.Problem is not one sided  [/quote]How can both programs be at fault when only one person makes all of the decisions?

[quote name="scapegoat" post="1367380" timestamp="1359309422"] IMO the problem is Basketball coach and Football coach do not get along.The multi-sport kids suffer for it.*Can't We Just All Get Along" [/quote]Yep, the kids are the one's who suffer bc of some who :-X Not gonna open up that box of worms again. I think MOST people in Nederland know this story.

Even WITH a shot clock, NIU scored 4 points (1FG) last night Vs. Eastern Michigan an only 8 FG the entire game. Ouch!! Just shows a shot clock does NOT mean a higher scoring game...

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1367352" timestamp="1359301950"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=108684.msg1367348#msg1367348 date=1359299173] Both sides make valid points, and I'm not sure which side I lean towards. I see the need to speed up the game. I also understand allowing high school coaches to use more strategy in order to win games. I guess Plump (real guy from Hoosiers) doesn't get out much bc he believes recruiting doesn't happen at the high school level! ;D [/quote] Definitely some good points on both sides. The most interesting point that struck me and I've never given it a thought at the high school level are the ticket sales /fan support and high scoring games. [/quote]I'm not convinced that is the reason for low attendance, bc I have never heard anyone complain about that, u? I notice a larger turnout when the game means more (PNG, Central, Ozen). We have a great turnout for most home games, but there is definitely a spike in attendance when we play more competitive teams. But that is the same with all sports in all towns. I don't think a shot clock is NEEDED in HS Bball, but I would not oppose it, if one is implemented into the game. Should be at least 35 secs.

Both sides make valid points, and I'm not sure which side I lean towards. I see the need to speed up the game. I also understand allowing high school coaches to use more strategy in order to win games. I guess Plump (real guy from Hoosiers) doesn't get out much bc he believes recruiting doesn't happen at the high school level! ;D

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1367230" timestamp="1359234947"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=108406.msg1367224#msg1367224 date=1359233646] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=108406.msg1367183#msg1367183 date=1359224639] Silsbee's top two scores in Chris Elam and Jordan Holmes were football stars on the field. Also Silsbee All-State QB Patrick Reed is 3rd leading scorer and leading rebounder for Silsbee. [/quote]Just curious: do those kids you mention play basketball in the spring and summer? Also, do they lift weights during their football period on basketball game days? [/quote] They play summer ball but also play 7 on 7. Those players are in basketball class during basketball season. [/quote]There lies the difference. Those kids you mentioned play basketball in the Spring/Summer, so they are good at both sports. Cant expect to star in both sports if you're not gifted AND work in the off season. Nice luxury to have your kids in a basketball class during the season. Our kids at Nederland do not have that option. :-X

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1367183" timestamp="1359224639"] Silsbee's top two scores in Chris Elam and Jordan Holmes were football stars on the field. Also Silsbee All-State QB Patrick Reed is 3rd leading scorer and leading rebounder for Silsbee. [/quote]Just curious: do those kids you mention play basketball in the spring and summer? Also, do they lift weights during their football period on basketball game days?

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1367219" timestamp="1359232617"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=108668.msg1367214#msg1367214 date=1359232096] If the likes of Roy Williams and Larry Brown want these guys on their teams, then I'll take their opinions over anyone on this messageboard.  ;) Don't think these coaches recruit "softies". ::) [/quote] Come on man, don't get "star struck" on me...They heard about these kids and it's their JOB to check them out...They will come to the Houston area ANYWAY because of the talent pool alone...and if these kids are being Both coaches returned the following day to watch Jackson play. Apparently, he like what he saw. I believe he offered Jackson a scholarship, no?

[quote name="NDOMAKONG" post="1367209" timestamp="1359231339"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=108406.msg1367189#msg1367189 date=1359227034] Those kids you mentioned are 'pure athletes'. We are talking about kids in Nederland. Apples n oranges AAW. [/quote] Shaw is not a pure athlete?  Just trying to follow the logic, I'm slow like that. [/quote]Does Shaw start or 'star' on the basketball team as he did on the FB team? No. He contributes as does Kimler. Plus, Shaw hasn't played basketball (organized) in 2/3 years. Nobody expects him to be a key player on the team. Had he stuck to playing basketball over the past 2 years, he would likely attribute much more, bc he is very athletic. Same can be said about the Woods kid. Wish he would have stuck to Bball. Although he's not that tall, he was a good scorer on the block bc of his size, quickness, and athletic ability.

[quote name="NDOMAKONG" post="1367206" timestamp="1359231063"] Isn't the Kelvin Smith analogy a bit of an exception also?  One of.the best players the program ever had. [/quote]He was one of the best kids the program ever had, true. But did you happen to see him play as a Sophomore? He could barely catch the ball and/or dribble. If he had not put in the hours of work, he would NEVER had been the MVP of the district his senior year. If he had played a second sport, I suspect he would have not been more than a role player for the team. The fact is, he was not athletic enough to play other sports. His HARD WORK led him to be the great basketball player he became.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1367201" timestamp="1359230632"] I love how you guys bring up HIGHLIGHT REELS to prove your point... ::) ::)..I evaluate and watch FULL GAMES...You know what...Nevermind, its above some of you guys understanding as fans...my bad. [/quote]So you are telling us that in your experience as a recruiter, you have never evaluated a kid who exceeded your expectations? ??? You have never observed a kid who you thought was 'not all that', yet went on to be a stud somewhere? Happens all the time. Come on DV, stop talking like you are the ONLY person who knows talent when you see it! ::)

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1367198" timestamp="1359230214"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=108668.msg1367195#msg1367195 date=1359229505] [quote author=jb link=topic=108668.msg1367193#msg1367193 date=1359227693] Here are some condensed highlights from the game. [Hidden Content] Not sure about soft..He has definitely played up with his summer and international play..Honestly, he impressed me more than the Harrison twins. [/quote]So he IS the kid who was the MVP of  the tourney the US Jr Natl team, yet some think he is too 'soft'? ::) Funny, bc when I talk to his AAU coach, he tells me that Winslow is legit. Hmmm?? Who to believe?? ::) [/quote] Lets see AAU coach.....College coach who evaluates and recruits for a LIVING....I'm not sure... ::) ::)..Are you kidding me? :o [/quote]Apparently you don't know his AAU coach, bc he makes a living doing it. So, maybe do your research on who his AAU coach is before you make a statement like that! ::) Are YOU kidding ME? 8)

[quote name="jb" post="1367193" timestamp="1359227693"] Here are some condensed highlights from the game. [Hidden Content] Not sure about soft..He has definitely played up with his summer and international play..Honestly, he impressed me more than the Harrison twins. [/quote]So he IS the kid who was the MVP of  the tourney the US Jr Natl team, yet some think he is too 'soft'? ::) Funny, bc when I talk to his AAU coach, he tells me that Winslow is legit. Hmmm?? Who to believe?? ::)

Plus it is an exception (ie Doty, Holmes, Green) as it is to 'the rule'. 8) These kids probably picked up a basketball more than once/month between March and November.

Those kids you mentioned are 'pure athletes'. We are talking about kids in Nederland. Apples n oranges AAW. And I think there is a difference when it's a bigger school. I'm sure it happens in the 1A, 2A, & 3A ranks more frequently than 4A, and especially 5A.

Isn't Winslow the kid who played on the Jr US national team this summer and was named tourney MVP?